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    Thread: Volt Pic Post.........High VOLTage or Low? Post pictures and stories/experiences of your Volt or someone's you know or have driven.

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      10-19-2011 02:47 PM #126
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      HOW MUCH did those solar arrays cost them? If you paid $8,000 for an array and you get a $1,200 cheque then I'm interested. If you paid $50,000 for the array to get a $1,200 cheque then I'll pass. Do you have more info on this? I'm genuinely interested.

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      Roughly $24,000 but he received a $16,000 credit back from NJ (which is in line with their current rebates). The house is about 3400 square feet, the a/c is cranked all summer and it is about a block from the ocean with no shade whatsoever.

      He has had the system close to 5 years now. Watching the meter spin clockwise - sending power into the grid - then, at night, a slow spin counterclockwise is pretty neat.

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      10-19-2011 03:25 PM #127
      couple more comments from the owners


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      His impressions: "Extremely Solid Car. Has a low center of gravity and really hugs the road. It also gets up to speed quickly. I would say it's a 4 door sports car. While running on electric power, it was completely silent. After an imperceptible switch to Hybrid, the car was still extremely quiet."
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      10-19-2011 05:13 PM #128
      Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo banzai View Post

      On a different note, here is an unexpected problem due to the charging heat that is generated.

      the Charge Point system reported a ground fault to this owner during last year's Chicago Blizzard and cold


      Rodents.... I can see how this could create some problems if the car stays warm all night long



      You can't make this stuff up. Well, maybe you can, but we didn't. Our Twitter followers have already learned that strange things started happening to the Cars.com Chevrolet Volt last Thursday night.

      Around 9 p.m., I got an email alert from the ChargePoint network that our car had experienced a ground fault and the session had been terminated. (Senior editor David Thomas wisely chose to leave our Volt in our downtown parking structure, plugged in, during last week's big Chicago blizzard, and it remained there without incident.)

      Monitoring the online ChargePoint portal from home, I hoped the charging station would reset, something it attempts to do a total of four times every 15 minutes. That's when I received an e-mail from our pal Todd Dore, treasurer of the Fox Valley Electric Auto Association, who parks and charges his converted Volkswagen Beetle right next to our Volt. He said that at 6:30 when he left work, we'd had a "furry visitor," a brown rat who scurried under our Volt, probably seeking warmth. The temperatures had been below 10 degrees.

      Uh oh.

      Rodents are known to climb into the engine compartments of conventional cars when it's frigid outside, so it made sense. The Volt maintains a minimum battery temperature when it's plugged in, even once fully charged. I named the rat "Chilly" and joked that maybe he was a saboteur....

      When I arrived Friday morning, I returned the power connector to the charging station, which reset it, then reattached it to the Volt, which began charging again. No problem. But when I departed Friday night, I got warning lights: ABS, "Service Brake Assist" and "Service Stabilitrak." I drove it home anyway, hoping to get it serviced. The next day, I noticed the bottom rear window pane wasn't defogging, though the main window was.

      This morning, Grossinger City Chevy of Chicago confirmed that Chilly the rat had indeed gnawed through a wiring harness in the engine compartment, causing, at minimum, the warning lights and rear defogger failure.

      This won't be covered under warranty. It was, in the truest sense, an act of nature.

      Chilly could learn a thing or two from the beaver in Bridgestone's Super Bowl commercial. That little guy prevented a Buick from plunging into a raging river. Chilly warmed his rodent ass, ate a snack and cost us about $600. An attempt to repair the harness should save us "thousands," according to the dealer, but the labor involved in extricating the harness from behind the headlight is extensive. Is Chilly a prankster? A disgruntled former bond-holder in "old GM?" Did Nissan send him?

      There's good news and bad: The good news is our Volt, on its own merits, has been trouble-free for more than a month and 3,000 miles. The bad news is this could happen again. Presumably, an electric car with a thermally managed battery will be a tempting nest long after an internal-combustion engine has cooled off. If anyone has a home remedy for deterring pests, we're all ears. We'll be asking the same of Chevy, for sure
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      10-19-2011 06:06 PM #129
      Another look at the Volt trunk space

      article excerpt

      Due to popular request, I’ve decided to put together a series of articles that officially reviews the 2011 Chevrolet Volt from an Owner’s perspective. Is this review series impartial? No not really – since I did buy the 10th Chevy Volt and love it. But what you’ll find in this review series that you won’t find in any other “popular” magazine articles is the perspective of one of the first Chevy Volt owner’s and a breakdown of all the things I like and all the things that annoy (no car is perfect and the Volt is no exception.)

      If you have any special requests or questions that you want answered from the perspective of an owner – let me know and I’ll include a section on it.


      The Chevy Volt comes in a very useful hatchback form, but make no mistake – it is still a compact car. Along with the trunk space, you can fold down one or two of the 40/40 split rear seats, which gives you enough room to move your daily life around. To give you some perspective I live with my significant other – but have no children. So typically there are one or two passengers in the vehicle.

      Groceries are no problem in the trunk space as it is perfectly sized for a single layer of stand up paper bags. The trunk is more than copious for this task and you won’t need any of the seat space unless you have something particularly large. Loading and unloading is also straightforward and easy as the hatch easily lifts and lowers and is well sprung such that a light upward force opens the hatch and closing the hatch is done easily and securely with a little downward momentum.

      I also Fence Epee 2-3 days a week and as such need to be able to transport a roughly 4 foot long bag on a frequent basis. In this case, I do need to fold down one of the 40/40 rear seats to lay the bag lengthwise (it does not fit widthwise in the trunk). While the bag fits, it’s not terrible convenient to get the bag in and out as the trunk does not open flush to the outside of the car, requires me to lift the roughly 30-40 pound bag into the car. This is made more difficult by the size of the bag as I have to lean quite far over to load the car.


      http://www.mychevroletvolt.com/chevy...lt-trunk-space

      While a flat trunk space would make things much easier, I suspect that would not make for good design or vehicle dynamics as the lack of a load bearing frame in the back would likely reduce the stiffness of the chassis significantly. To that end, I’d prefer to deal with loading and unloading and keeping the ride of the car as it is today.

      Thinking about moving a table or furniture? Rent or borrow a truck or van. It’s not really worth trying to cram it in the back of the Volt or messing up the roof strapping it to the top (the roof isn’t really that flat anyways).

      Bottom line, The Volt is a great everyday car especially for a young couple (or empty nester), but for the every-other day task make sure you have alternatives for moving and carrying your “stuff”.

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      10-19-2011 07:26 PM #130
      Quote Originally Posted by Wheelstand View Post
      From what I understand, there is a 1,500 dollar tax credit in Oregon for this car in addition to the fed tax credit of 7500

      Seems like most of the volt owners are reporting around a dollar or 1.10 per nightly charge

      in California, it's a 5,000 tax credit in addition to the fed of 7,500.
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      10-19-2011 07:34 PM #131
      Quote Originally Posted by TDIBUGMAN View Post
      Roughly $24,000 but he received a $16,000 credit back from NJ (which is in line with their current rebates). The house is about 3400 square feet, the a/c is cranked all summer and it is about a block from the ocean with no shade whatsoever.

      He has had the system close to 5 years now. Watching the meter spin clockwise - sending power into the grid - then, at night, a slow spin counterclockwise is pretty neat.
      Thanks for that info. I'm going to see what I can do in Virginia. I'm not as much interested in an electric car as much as I am interested in running electronic equipment 24x7x365. Solar might just work and not break the bank.

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      10-19-2011 07:41 PM #132
      No pics, but I have driven the Volt.

      And thought it was fantastic.

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      10-19-2011 08:46 PM #133
      Damn volt has a high belt line



      Would make me feel claustrophobic
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      10-19-2011 09:40 PM #134
      Quote Originally Posted by hardcore4life View Post
      Damn volt has a high belt line



      Would make me feel claustrophobic
      well... compared to what?

      don't most new cars these days have high belt lines? (and I agree with you that I'm not a real fan of the high beltline movement in design)

      But which cars DON'T have high belt lines these days?

      I mean it's not like you are down in a bucket in a Volt




      Jeffrey Kaffee became the first customer in the country to take delivery of the Chevrolet Volt on December 15.

      “This is such a significant step forward,” Kaffee said. “This is the first practical electric driving car.”

      The 69-year-old retired airline pilot was so dedicated to owning an electric car, he actually ordered both the Volt and the Nissan LEAF; it was just a matter of which car came to New Jersey first.

      “The first thing you notice is that there’s no noise,” Kaffee said. “When you press the button, it’s like turning on a light.” Kaffee said General Motors actually added sound effects for safety.

      The next things he noticed were that there’s no lag time in acceleration and there’s very good torque. “It’s a very comfortable, smooth ride,” he said.



      Kaffee has liked the idea of using less gas for years; he traded in his 2005 Toyota Prius for the Volt
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      10-19-2011 10:39 PM #135
      another road test to add perspective

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      10-19-2011 11:32 PM #136
      Definitely quiet



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      10-20-2011 01:20 AM #138
      Car is low to the ground.



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      10-20-2011 10:56 AM #140
      Steve Wojtanek, one of the Volt owners from the first batch, has managed to reach an average of 122 mpg

      Wojtanek, a Volt buyer in Boca Raton, FL, has made it his personal goal to drive as efficiently as possible and is "surprised" by how infrequently his Volt needs to be gassed up. Wojtanek's Volt has more than 3,417 miles on its odometer, with 2,225 of those miles driven under battery power.

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      10-20-2011 12:08 PM #141
      Upon time of delivery, Frank Calciano was a bit on the disabled side, but eager to check his new car out.



      The display was also on the disabled side. It funtioned, but half the screen wasn't quite right.

      Replaced under warranty




      Mr. Calciano likes the layout of the dash and interior.... even stows the crutches to his right with plenty of ease. You can see the dash display isn't quite up to par in this picture. Didn't seem to bother me driving it though. It was readily apparent what was happening, whether the battery was providing power or the regenerative brakes were feeding power back into the system's juice storage.




      A small number of screen displays (either the front screen or the middle dash screen) had problems and were replaced in various cars as reported earlier)

      Screen below is the front screen display

      Quote Originally Posted by audifans View Post
      On another note. As far as problems with Volts, the display seems to crap out on a few cars (just a few and were replaced on warranty by dealer)

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      10-20-2011 01:25 PM #142
      Quote Originally Posted by Massive Attack View Post
      Steve Wojtanek, one of the Volt owners from the first batch, has managed to reach an average of 122 mpg

      Wojtanek, a Volt buyer in Boca Raton, FL, has made it his personal goal to drive as efficiently as possible and is "surprised" by how infrequently his Volt needs to be gassed up. Wojtanek's Volt has more than 3,417 miles on its odometer, with 2,225 of those miles driven under battery power.

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      heh... yep... he's got a few cars alright.





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      10-20-2011 02:23 PM #143
      Early adopter in D.C.

      Jeff Parmet, a 64-year-old litigation consultant who sold his BMW for the Volt.


      Now to my Volt. The VIN number is 71, which gives me a special thrill to think it was one of the first ones to roll off the assembly line. A picture of it charging in my garage is attached.

      seems to be a trend here

      The car was not fully charged when we picked it up, and we had a 35-mile drive home, so the range extender came on about half way home.
      I traded in my BMW X-5 SUV, which says a lot about GM.


      It sounds as though it's a very nice car to drive, regardless of the electric power or the gas that isn't used

      I purchased the Volt even though I wanted to lease it, because the dealership did not have its leasing arrangements lined up yet. It has the premium trim package, which includes leather appointed seats, heated front seats, leather wrapped steering wheel, 17” forged polished alloy wheels, front and rear sensors, and a rear camera. It is silver ice metallic with a black interior and ceramic white instrument panel. It is a joy to drive. It is very responsive, has great visibility, and handles like a tight European car, which is what I am used to. I have yet to figure out all the instrumentation, but I plan to do that this weekend. I recently upgraded my phone to a Motorola Android and installed the OnStar app, but I need to contact my Volt advisor before I can get a User ID and Password.


      Jeff Parmet starts his Volt inside on a cold day using an application on his mobile phone.
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      Taking a tangent off a tangent, I'm going to take everything I know about Obin from his posting here, and speculate:

      bitcoin mining

      Am I right?

      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      Thanks for that info. I'm going to see what I can do in Virginia. I'm not as much interested in an electric car as much as I am interested in running electronic equipment 24x7x365. Solar might just work and not break the bank.

      obin

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      Am I right?


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      10-20-2011 03:20 PM #146
      Quote Originally Posted by Slump View Post
      Taking a tangent off a tangent, I'm going to take everything I know about Obin from his posting here, and speculate:

      bitcoin mining

      Am I right?
      LOL no. Just high end power-hungry Class A stereo amplifiers and some machine shop tools.

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      10-20-2011 04:36 PM #147
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      Free charge at Walmart..... till they decide to charge for it

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      10-20-2011 04:45 PM #148
      Quote Originally Posted by TopDown_ View Post
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      Free charge at Walmart..... till they decide to charge for it
      I think public charging stations will be like parking garages - you have to pay to use it unless you buy something from the merchant. In that case, you get a validation card or they hit a button to cover the cost of meter number such-and-such so your charging is free (or at least covered up to a certain dollar limit) for the time you're there.

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      10-20-2011 05:52 PM #149
      more on the charging station at Walmart in Easton, Ohio

      July 14, 2011

      Drivers of plug-in electric cars now can get a free charge at the Walmart store at Easton, where the retailer has installed its first public charging station.

      The station, unveiled yesterday, is part of a partnership with Columbus-based American Electric Power.

      It arrives at a time when few local drivers have vehicles to charge. Plug-in models such as the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf are not yet on sale locally.

      "It's really a good first step," said David Ozment, director of energy for Wal-Mart Stores, speaking at a news conference in the store's parking lot.

      The only Volt driver in the region might be Greg Kuss, CEO of Solar Vision in Westerville, who bought his model this year from a dealer in Michigan.

      Because he might be the only immediate beneficiary of the charging station, he was on hand to demonstrate how it works. He inserted the oversize black plug into the port on the driver's side of the car.

      The only other plug-in models in the region might be the 10 or so owned by AEP for testing purposes.

      AEP is trying to be ready to deal with the electricity demand for plug-in cars when they arrive, and this initiative is part of that, said Robert Powers, president of AEP's regional utilities.

      The utility is making the electricity at the Walmart charging station available for free, as a "loss leader" that will help the company gather data about customers' charging habits.

      "It's the right thing to do," he said.

      But the free power will not go on forever. The station is equipped to switch to a fee-based system if AEP decides to do so.

      Under normal rates, $1 worth of electricity is roughly equivalent to a gallon of gasoline, Powers said.

      http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...c-station.html




      The Volt, a gas-electric hybrid, has an electric range of 35miles. A full charge takes about four hours at the charging station. A shorter charge might provide enough power to pay for the trip to the store for someone who lives nearby.

      This is the region's first charging station that is open to the public, although several other stations are in place. For example, Ohio State University installed a station outside its Center for Automotive Research.

      The Walmart station consists of two pedestal-style units made by Ecotality, an Arizona-based company that uses the Blink brand name for charging stations.

      "This is an ideal location ... right off the freeway, well-lit," said Steve Schey of Ecotality.
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      10-20-2011 05:54 PM #150
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      I think public charging stations will be like parking garages - you have to pay to use it unless you buy something from the merchant. In that case, you get a validation card or they hit a button to cover the cost of meter number such-and-such so your charging is free (or at least covered up to a certain dollar limit) for the time you're there.
      Apparently stores providing chargers for EV customers was tried and it didn't work:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sing-them.html

      Costco, the membership warehouse-club chain, is getting rid of its electric vehicle chargers in its parking lots because it says customers aren't using them.

      The chain was an early leader in offering electric-vehicle charging to customers, setting an example followed by other retailers, including Best Buy and Walgreen.

      By 2006, Costco had installed 90 chargers at 64 stores, mostly in California but also some in Arizona, New York and Georgia.

      Charge no more: An E.V. charging station at Costco store in Rohnert Park in California


      Even after General Motors crushed its EV1 battery cars, the Costco chargers stayed in place.

      Yet just as plug-in cars like the Nissan Leaf and Chevrolet Volt enter the market, Costco is taking its chargers out of the ground.

      Dennis Hoover, the general manager for Costco in northern California, said: 'We were early supporters of electric cars, going back as far as 15 years.

      'But nobody ever uses them. At our Folsom store, the manager said he hadn’t seen anybody using the E.V. charging in a full year.

      'At our store in Vacaville, where we had six chargers, one person plugged in once a week.'

      Mr Hoover added that E.V. charging was 'very inefficient and not productive' for the retailer.

      He said: 'The bottom line is that there are a lot of other ways to be green.

      'We have five million members in the region, and just a handful of people are using these devices.'

      Plug In America, the California-based E.V. advocacy group, contends that the stations do get used, and is campaigning to save them, the New York Times reports.

      The group asserts that some of the units have been delivering free electricity to loyal E.V. owners for a decade or more, and that people regularly plug in.



      Sign of the times: Costco were frontrunners in offering customers with electric vehicles the chance to use the chargers, but now the company there is no demand

      The group says that the Costco chargers are invaluable for owners of Toyota’s older RAV4 electrics, many of which are still on the road in California.

      But the actor Ed Begley Jr., a long-time environmentalist and RAV4 owner, said in an e-mail that some of the Costco chargers around Los Angeles stopped working years ago.

      The Costco outlets are also outdated by current standards, but a state-supported programme stands ready to upgrade them at no cost to Costco.

      That was one impetus for a $2.3 million programme supported by the California Energy Commission and overseen by the charging companies Clipper Creek and EV Connect, which would have 600 to 650 so-called legacy E.V. chargers upgraded.

      According to Will Barrett, a Clipper Creek programme manager, 30 new chargers have been installed since the programme began in July.

      Mr Barrett said that Costco decided not to participate in the state programme.

      Mr Hoover said the company was aware of the state-funded upgrade programme, but did not see a compelling reason to take advantage of it.

      'Why should we have anybody spend money on a programme that nobody’s thought through?' he said.

      'We know for a fact that many of the Costco chargers are used on a regular basis,' said Tom Saxton, a computer programmer from Washington State, who drives a RAV4 E.V. and serves on the board of Plug In America.

      'And because thousands of new electric vehicles are hitting the road, the chargers are going to be even more in demand. And people are charging while they shop.'

      Plug In America said that more than 900 people had sent e-mails to James D. Sinegal, the co-founder and chief executive of Costco, urging him to reconsider.

      The group said it had worked to persuade at least one California store, located in Rohnert Park in Sonoma County, to keep its chargers.

      But Mr Hoover said that the situation there had been 'reviewed.'

      The bottom line: “We will be taking them out there, too,” he said.
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      "We're society's crowbar. They hate us, they never want to acknowledge the dirty jobs they give us to do, but when the job is done they never throw us away - they just slip us back in the toolbox until they need us the next time. And there will always be a next time."-Jim Hooper. Beneath the Visiting Moon: Images of Combat in Southern Africa

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