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    Thread: Huge indy crash.

    1. 10-16-2011 09:31 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by vwlarry View Post
      I listened to Dave Despain and Robin Miller's discussion awhile ago on Wind Tunnel. Without trying to be a reactionary, since I honestly believe this, it's my feeling that the shorter, high-banked mega-speed ovals like Vegas are probably at their end as Indycar venues. Anyone who is familiar with flat, wide, slower ovals like the Milwaukee Mile might agree with me that Indycar would do well to consider a return to such tracks. They are slower, via their no-banking and "square" turns, and make racing drivers do what racing drivers should be doing in their cars, ie, braking and preparing for turns rather than ramming their right foot to the floorboards and just holding on for their lives. I've been to THRILLING races at Milwaukee that didn't come anywhere near 200mph...the excitement was there with no need for hyper-speed.

      I love oval racing in Indycars. But, when the ovals contain hazards that human reaction times cannot overcome, as seen today at Vegas, they're unsuitable; simple as that. Those drivers didn't have a fraction of a second to react and evade collisions. That's not fair to them or to the sport. Motor racing should be fast and exciting. It shouldn't be virtually suicidal.
      I'll second this. To me, it isn't the speeds that makes a race, but the planning, strategy and competitive skills of the drivers. Watching a driver plot his/her moves, setting up and timing passes is far more rewarding than how fast they're going. If all you want is speed, hell, pilot the cars with robots or have the "drivers" radio control their cars from the pits, but that ain't racing.

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      10-16-2011 09:43 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
      I honestly don't know... I'm not sure what color his car is.
      Black with white fuselage. Confusingly, the same as Will Power, who also went airborne. At the 2:35 mark, there are two white cars side by side. Wheldon is the next car in front of them, at the bottom of the track.

      RIP Dan.

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      10-16-2011 09:43 PM #103
      I adore high speeds; it's the inability of a driver to control a machine at those high speeds that is the stepping off point for my enthusiasm. At the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, for one example, steps have been taken over the past couple of decades to rein-in the unbridled speeds that the cars are able to achieve, simply because of the limitations of the human brain and physiology to handle those speeds on that particular venue. It seems, at first impression, that a track like Vegas was not adequately considered from this viewpoint. Despain and Miller reported this evening that the drivers, today, prior to the start of this race, seemed more apprehensive and even afraid than anyone could remember them being in a long time. When you have palpable FEAR amongst men and women of this caliber of bravery, there just might be something wrong happening. The recriminations and charges and lawsuits will all unfold as they always do, though, so we'll see something happen. It will be interesting to see just what happens.
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      10-16-2011 10:08 PM #104
      As a die-hard CART fan (who has never watched an IRL race), Greg Moore was the first thing that came to mind. The second thing was that Texas race that they cancelled a few years ago. I just don't think open wheel cars are meant to race at these 1.5 mile ovals, although in this case perhaps the track had little to do with it. I'm sure theories will abound in the coming days.

      Whatever the case, Godspeed, Dan. Seemed like a talented guy.

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      10-16-2011 10:35 PM #106
      Wow, I just got home from work and my wife told me. Came here for news, so young, so sad.

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      10-16-2011 10:36 PM #107
      Here's a good recap on what happened... I'm shocked and couldn't have picked out his name as a racing driver before today; I can only imagine what those that knew/raced with him are going through.


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      10-16-2011 11:07 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by fknlo View Post
      If he wasn't dead on site it was pretty much immediately known that his injuries weren't survivable.

      From another forum:
      The helmet was fine, I've seen pictures and it was scratched, but otherwise okay.

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      10-16-2011 11:22 PM #109
      damn. he was my age. R.I.P

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      10-16-2011 11:32 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
      The helmet was fine, I've seen pictures and it was scratched, but otherwise okay.
      Edit: This is true.
      Last edited by jaysvw; 10-17-2011 at 12:12 AM.

    11. 10-16-2011 11:38 PM #111
      Mods: Feel free to remove these if you see fit...


      Last edited by Nourdmrolnmt; 10-17-2011 at 12:15 AM.

    12. 10-16-2011 11:42 PM #112
      "But I think if you asked everyone in this field how they would want to go, that's the way. If I could choose I'd do the same. But right now I can't describe the pain."

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      10-16-2011 11:43 PM #113
      This is sad. RIP

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      10-16-2011 11:43 PM #114
      RIP Dan Wheldon, I was just getting into this sport and Wheldon was one of my favorites.
      Logic'd.

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      10-16-2011 11:49 PM #115
      Sad news. .

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      10-16-2011 11:59 PM #116
      Damn, the entire roll hoop structure is gone. Is that a piece of helmet sticking out? Or part of the bodywork?

    17. 10-17-2011 12:05 AM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by mx5er View Post
      Damn, the entire roll hoop structure is gone. Is that a piece of helmet sticking out? Or part of the bodywork?
      A spectator HAD to get photos of that side of the car, I hate to keep trying to find them posted somewhere, but my curiosity is piqued

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      10-17-2011 12:10 AM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by jaysvw View Post
      Where exactly did you see pictures of his post-crash helmet?
      PM sent.

    19. 10-17-2011 12:15 AM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
      PM sent.
      posted the photos... They don't prove what you said however.

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      10-17-2011 12:19 AM #120
      grand prix car should not be allowed on oval tracks. Same goes for motorcycles (beside dirt track where speeds are much lower)

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      10-17-2011 12:21 AM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by Ungarisch View Post
      grand prix car should not be allowed on oval tracks. Same goes for motorcycles (beside dirt track where speeds are much lower)
      Championship cars have always been allowed on ovals though, which is what Indycars are.

      The problem stems from the fact this generation of Dallara makes zero downforce from the underbody, so as soon as it gets the nose in the air it takes off like a kite.

      The 90's cars made most of their downforce from the underbody, and you never saw wrecks like this.

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      10-17-2011 12:28 AM #122
      RIP, very sad

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      10-17-2011 12:30 AM #124
      RIP.

      So sad

      Last edited by Eightysixturbo; 10-17-2011 at 12:34 AM.
      pardon my 'merican

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      this is just too sad
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