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      10-18-2011 07:39 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      those are air to air.

      the water to air ones have smaller holes for the water which makes them more efficient and smaller overall, and I think we need all the advantage we can get with the size of things and heat efficiency.

      the only one I found sold separate is on zzperformance.com. They sell replacement core but they are 1" thick x 11 x 8 which is to wide and flat. Ideal would be 2.5 x 4 x 9. Well ideal for my theory drawing above. haha.

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      10-18-2011 07:42 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
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      This should fit in a 12" x 12" and im not sure on the width (left to right)
      It would be great to find a 2.5" deep ic core. I cant find any water to air cores sold separate.
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      10-18-2011 07:44 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      those are air to air.

      the water to air ones have smaller holes for the water which makes them more efficient and smaller overall, and I think we need all the advantage we can get with the size of things and heat efficiency.

      the only one I found sold separate is on zzperformance.com. They sell replacement core but they are 1" thick x 11 x 8 which is to wide and flat. Ideal would be 2.5 x 4 x 9. Well ideal for my theory drawing above. haha.
      Well they have two. Ive got a local guy who builds his own awics. Ill have Jeff over at HStuning see what he can do in terms of cores.
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      10-18-2011 07:49 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Hm


      My daytime job is to fit lots of things in a small package, so hopefully I can figure this out. haha.
      And most of the time its 10 lb of s**t in a 2 lb... case.

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      10-18-2011 07:58 PM #41
      Welp this may actually work... Those other guys never really said what they were going to do interms of mounting... Looks as if the setup you did up may work. INA stage 3 oil housing replacement will open up more room if needed.
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      10-18-2011 08:29 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Welp this may actually work... Those other guys never really said what they were going to do interms of mounting... Looks as if the setup you did up may work. INA stage 3 oil housing replacement will open up more room if needed.
      most of them were also trying to use a m90, which would be alot harder to fit.

      I terms of mounting I'm sure we can figure something out especially with the motor mounts on the right side so close.

      thanks for brainstoming with me. This is a huge help.

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      10-18-2011 08:44 PM #43
      nice. big props if you pull this off.

      lets keep the ideas coming

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      10-18-2011 09:13 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      most of them were also trying to use a m90, which would be alot harder to fit.

      I terms of mounting I'm sure we can figure something out especially with the motor mounts on the right side so close.

      thanks for brainstoming with me. This is a huge help.
      Im gonna sell off my interior on ebay and get the charger and flange and do it too, i may do something different for cooling. Maybe use the larger hemi dbw tb
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      10-18-2011 09:21 PM #45
      If we cant get it to safely mount up front, remember we have lots of room to mount it over the header between the motor and firewall... As a last resort of course
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      10-18-2011 10:08 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Im gonna sell off my interior on ebay and get the charger and flange and do it too, i may do something different for cooling. Maybe use the larger hemi dbw tb
      Awesome!!!

      Im checking on ordering the flange tomorrow from C2.

    12. 10-18-2011 10:33 PM #47
      Well, if ideas are being thrown around i might as well add something to the mix. Any reason for not putting it where the water pump is and switching the pump over to electric? Or how about where the ac pump is? and just pulling the ac system. Would make it so you could more easily run piping to a traditional air to air inter cooler.

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      10-18-2011 10:51 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by DerekH View Post
      Well, if ideas are being thrown around i might as well add something to the mix. Any reason for not putting it where the water pump is and switching the pump over to electric? Or how about where the ac pump is? and just pulling the ac system. Would make it so you could more easily run piping to a traditional air to air inter cooler.

      I like ac, we still have 100 deg days here in NC.
      But the water pump idea will be an option if I can fit it in the manifold area.


      Keep the ideas coming

    14. 10-18-2011 11:57 PM #49
      I'm gonna have a look around my engine bay tomorrow. See if i can come up with any other ideas. Id totally swap out the ac for a super charger though. Would have to come up with a way of doing the pulleys though because i think that the ac has a double pulley on it.

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      10-19-2011 06:55 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by DerekH View Post
      I'm gonna have a look around my engine bay tomorrow. See if i can come up with any other ideas. Id totally swap out the ac for a super charger though. Would have to come up with a way of doing the pulleys though because i think that the ac has a double pulley on it.
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      10-19-2011 08:36 AM #51
      you can't use a "add on" pulley and belt off the alt. it will kill the bearing. you can run a longer belt and wrap the alt if you want.

      we would LOVE to build a setup. i have a motor here and we can make it all. just need the customer to do it for
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      10-19-2011 10:41 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by nothing-leaves-stock View Post
      you can't use a "add on" pulley and belt off the alt. it will kill the bearing. you can run a longer belt and wrap the alt if you want.

      we would LOVE to build a setup. i have a motor here and we can make it all. just need the customer to do it for
      What you are looking to charge is not in my budget right now. So I will have to fumble my way through this.

      Could you take a picture of the motor you have there so I can see more clearly the pulley system, to help with routing?

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      10-19-2011 10:45 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      What you are looking to charge is not in my budget right now. So I will have to fumble my way through this.

      Could you take a picture of the motor you have there so I can see more clearly the pulley system, to help with routing?
      Remember there are two different pulley setups on these motors.
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      10-19-2011 10:47 AM #54
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea....5L-basic-info

      you'll find pictures of the pulley set up on this thread.
      Last edited by pennsydubbin; 10-19-2011 at 10:51 AM.

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      10-19-2011 10:54 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by pennsydubbin View Post
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea....5L-basic-info

      you'll find pictures of the pulley set up on this thread.


      i still need to put more info there.

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      10-19-2011 11:51 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by pennsydubbin View Post
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea....5L-basic-info

      you'll find pictures of the pulley set up on this thread.


      Thank you

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      10-19-2011 12:04 PM #57
      Basically just need to replicate this with one more cylinder!


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      10-19-2011 12:05 PM #58
      Here is a better 3d view of what I am thinking about.

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      10-19-2011 12:08 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Basically just need to replicate this with one more cylinder!


      No i/c??

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      10-19-2011 12:22 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      No i/c??
      No! and this kit made an added 150hp on a D16. My thinking is chill the incoming air before the MAF or make a 2" spacer between the charger and intake manifold for DEI's Cryo2, OR a 8" barrel awic before the Maf and the crank vent bungs at the tip before the air gets chilled, and then a fabbed up cold air intake
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      10-19-2011 12:39 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      No! and this kit made an added 150hp on a D16. My thinking is chill the incoming air before the MAF or make a 2" spacer between the charger and intake manifold for DEI's Cryo2, OR a 8" barrel awic before the Maf and the crank vent bungs at the tip before the air gets chilled, and then a fabbed up cold air intake
      Is that an M45?


      The rest of that sounds good. What would be the reason for moving the crank vent?

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      10-19-2011 12:51 PM #62
      By rotating the assembly I have above I can get the overall dims down to 11.88 x 11.88

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      10-19-2011 12:56 PM #63
      Thats what I was getting at with the Hyundai Genesis s/c video I posted on the last page. They are making 430whp running a non i/c'd Eaton setup. The stage 2 just adds watermeth, and smaller pulley, to do 500whp, and stage 3 is rods/pistons, trans, for 500+whp, still no intercooling
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      10-19-2011 01:00 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      Is that an M45?


      The rest of that sounds good. What would be the reason for moving the crank vent?
      Yea I believe it is a M45. Well you have that piece to your intake between the MAF and throttle body with the bungs for ventilation, so I figured just keep that before the chilled air. Probably wont make too much of a difference where its at. But Id buy the bungs from 42dd and weld them to the end lip of the barrel Awic to clip those hoses too. Everything will be powder coated wrinkle black except the IM which will be polished.
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      10-19-2011 01:06 PM #65
      Any thoughs on the pulley setup?

      Im going crazy, Ive been looking at this belt routing my whole lunch break.

      I know NLS said that running a dual pulley would kill the bearing, but if you added a bearing or put a nicer one in then that should theoretially work, right? That is if the bearing is in the pulley itself and not the alt.

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      10-19-2011 01:09 PM #66
      no, any offset force on the alt will cause issue. forget about adding another pulley onto the alt pulley. also, my friends company make a AWIC core that fits on that honda sc setup. it's 1'' thick spacer that bolts inbetween the sc and manifold. cools the air by 35* so far on the 1st design
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      10-19-2011 01:13 PM #67
      That would actually work pretty well, what are those running?
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      10-19-2011 01:23 PM #68
      ghetto picture.

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      10-19-2011 01:34 PM #69
      I really wanna see someone set this up and get it running. Supercharger FTW if you ask me!

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      10-19-2011 01:37 PM #70
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      ghetto picture.

      Thank you!

      will that give enough contact area on the alt to keep it from slipping?


      Could you also let me know who I need to contact to get the other 2 dims of that IC? or if you know them. Thanks. Sounds similar to the zzperformance one, but theres is for a M90 so its wide and long.

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