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      10-20-2011 05:25 PM #106
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      ECS

      Dumb, that didnt help.
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      10-20-2011 05:29 PM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      ECS

      Dumb, that didnt help.
      If the 2.5 and 2.0t have the same diameter crank pulley, I have a 2.0t motor sitting on a tire next door. Ill ask pensy to see if he can maybe measure the diameter of his.
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      10-20-2011 05:38 PM #108
      I just measured but I only have 6 inch calipers. but I measured to the from outside of the belt to the inside of that metal ring on the outside. and then the width of that outside ring, if that makes sense. So from outside to outside with the belt is around 6.6 in. And the ac comp. is 5.195in including the belt.

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      10-20-2011 05:53 PM #109
      I forgot to measure the inside pulley that drives all the accessories.

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      10-20-2011 06:10 PM #110
      The inside pulley on the ac comp, is 4.575in.

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      10-20-2011 06:59 PM #111
      Can someone with this manifold please give these measurements, I just want to know how wide the plenum is and the distance between the plenum and flange
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    7. 10-20-2011 07:30 PM #112
      I'll get those for you tomorrow. I don't have any way to measure it at my apartment right now but will when I'm at the garage tomorrow. If I see my neighbor tonight I'll borrow his tools, but otherwise I'll just get em later.

      You do realize this intake tapers down though. I don't really want to supply that radius or dimensions to that degree. Don't want to tick anyone off. I don't see any harm in giving you the max depth of those two dimensions though. Did you also need that third dimension you marked on the TB side or is that just a mistake in the drawing? Not really sure how to reference that dimension on the TB side you marked actually. If you want to clarify that would be great.

      Why don't you guys pay someone to draft something up for you in inventor or pro e? Does anyone have a template available for the 2.5 MKV bay, intake side to radiator support? Watermark it and send it to tchilds3404@yahoo.com, promise not to give to anyone else.
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      10-20-2011 08:12 PM #113
      No its not a mistake. I know it tapers so thats why I included the throttle body side as a measurement. Its the widest part. Also just a rough measurement from the plenum to the flange. I think Im going to need shorter runners
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    9. 10-20-2011 09:22 PM #114
      I vote ultra budget build, cut the stock intake, bond silicone couplers to the runners, build slip on runners w/clamps, screw the IC, see if you can crack the nylon runners/flange.

      SUPER GHETTO but it would work until the intake runners melted.
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      10-20-2011 10:18 PM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by tchilds View Post
      I'll get those for you tomorrow. I don't have any way to measure it at my apartment right now but will when I'm at the garage tomorrow. If I see my neighbor tonight I'll borrow his tools, but otherwise I'll just get em later.

      You do realize this intake tapers down though. I don't really want to supply that radius or dimensions to that degree. Don't want to tick anyone off. I don't see any harm in giving you the max depth of those two dimensions though. Did you also need that third dimension you marked on the TB side or is that just a mistake in the drawing? Not really sure how to reference that dimension on the TB side you marked actually. If you want to clarify that would be great.

      Why don't you guys pay someone to draft something up for you in inventor or pro e? Does anyone have a template available for the 2.5 MKV bay, intake side to radiator support? Watermark it and send it to tchilds3404@yahoo.com, promise not to give to anyone else.

      Ill second that. I want a model of the engine bay as well. Although I am stuck using crappy CoCreate. Ill be getting a copy of solidworks soon, 10000X better.


      Quote Originally Posted by tchilds View Post
      I vote ultra budget build, cut the stock intake, bond silicone couplers to the runners, build slip on runners w/clamps, screw the IC, see if you can crack the nylon runners/flange.

      SUPER GHETTO but it would work until the intake runners melted.
      I would love to see that.

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      10-20-2011 10:44 PM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by tchilds View Post
      I vote ultra budget build, cut the stock intake, bond silicone couplers to the runners, build slip on runners w/clamps, screw the IC, see if you can crack the nylon runners/flange.

      SUPER GHETTO but it would work until the intake runners melted.
      Lol no thanks. That plastic wont hold under the chargers weight!
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    12. 10-20-2011 11:46 PM #117
      Meh sure it would. You have a support bracket to use unless you remove it beneath the intake manifold. Oddly enough I can't remember how it is configured but I do remember it was there!

      A nylon flange w/silicone couplers that has runners slip on over it would be pretty solid I think. It also has the thermal advantages over metal to metal to metal to metal.... to metal... hehe I really don't like super chargers for how much heat they produce though so no idea if this would work. It would be cool having a modular design too, w/dif runner lengths which you could incorporate.

      Welding is easier though and that $300 ain't a bad price at all. The oval runners going to be a pita though.
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      10-21-2011 03:53 AM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Im considering jumping ship from the Rabbit to the 3.6l Genesis, and putting a blower on it.

      Idk to me this just looks soo much better than a Mkv and puts down 301whp stock, with header, exhaust, tune and larger tb 360whp, and a company makes a 5k$ blower kit that makes over 500whp and it sounds mean as hell
      The Hyundai Genesis is the best performance bargain right now. The GTI is a more complete car for the price and a nicer place to be, but it cant match the Genesis's performance. A Lancer Ralliart is 4 grand more expensive so that's out. A MS3 is more powerful but then again it is FWD....and underneath the big turbo it's just a Mazda3 underneath.

      However all that being said, the base Hyundai Genesis 2.0T R-spec is the better tuner car rather than the V6. The base which is now called the R-spec is lighter and stripped out which is what you want because honestly who gives a frack how many speakers your car has, or if the seats are heated, or if they are leather? None of that has anything to do with performance. And the 2.0T is not the crummy turbo from the Sonata Turbo/Kia Optima Turbo. It's the 2.0T MiVEC engine from the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart which is internally the same as the Lancer Evo's. So right out of the box you already have a HUGE tuning potential. But it's a coupe so it's sexier than the Evo. And it's RWD not 4WD which is what you really want. Go for it man. I can't join you because I've modified my Rabbit beyond the point of no return. I couldnt sell it even if I wanted to.

      My choice if my situation were different; I had no car and had to buy one? Get a used 2010 Nissan 370Z with sport package for around 27grand

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      10-21-2011 07:18 AM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by tchilds View Post
      The oval runners going to be a pita though.
      I have been racking my brain over this one... how to match up those ovals????


      My C2 flange should be here monday though

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      10-21-2011 07:36 AM #120
      Heres a little different design. I am really going to need to take the intake manifold off and see Where the sc can be placed, in regards to the pulley hitting other things.












    16. 10-21-2011 08:46 AM #121
      Honestly, for the oval runners. I wouldn't be satisfied unless I modeled and benched a ton of different collectors/stack designs. The cylinder head has some funky stuff going on too. Either way its going to stuff air in the cylinders but you could easily gain or lose a good 40 horsepower because of these stupid ovals. They're a really superior design but a pita to work around unless you want to pay a machine shop like $2,000.

      The other SRI's have cut corners in this respect though so I don't see any reason yours has to be over engineered either.

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      10-21-2011 08:54 AM #122
      What are you guys thoughts on runner lenghts and plenum volume?

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      10-21-2011 10:34 AM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      I have been racking my brain over this one... how to match up those ovals????


      My C2 flange should be here monday though
      I bought my plenum, runners, and fuel rail, plus bits from here. Always have for the things I need oval tubing from http://rossmachineracing.com/
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      10-21-2011 10:44 AM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      Heres a little different design. I am really going to need to take the intake manifold off and see Where the sc can be placed, in regards to the pulley hitting other things.











      I think this is a little too big to work. Everything hangs down to low, for the alternator where its at. Which is why Im making a manifold similar to your shape, but the ends are going to be rolled so the air flows smooth. Then Im just gonna bolt the charger to the manifold like the Jackson Racing Honda kit, and inquire the spacer awic Josh was talking about if I have cooling issues, or Ill just make a 1" spacer and drill the sides and slip copper nozzles in and run DEI's Cryo2 kit on a electronic management to spray as needed when temps get up a bit
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      10-21-2011 10:51 AM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by _V-Dubber_ View Post
      The Hyundai Genesis is the best performance bargain right now. The GTI is a more complete car for the price and a nicer place to be, but it cant match the Genesis's performance. A Lancer Ralliart is 4 grand more expensive so that's out. A MS3 is more powerful but then again it is FWD....and underneath the big turbo it's just a Mazda3 underneath.

      However all that being said, the base Hyundai Genesis 2.0T R-spec is the better tuner car rather than the V6. The base which is now called the R-spec is lighter and stripped out which is what you want because honestly who gives a frack how many speakers your car has, or if the seats are heated, or if they are leather? None of that has anything to do with performance. And the 2.0T is not the crummy turbo from the Sonata Turbo/Kia Optima Turbo. It's the 2.0T MiVEC engine from the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart which is internally the same as the Lancer Evo's. So right out of the box you already have a HUGE tuning potential. But it's a coupe so it's sexier than the Evo. And it's RWD not 4WD which is what you really want. Go for it man. I can't join you because I've modified my Rabbit beyond the point of no return. I couldnt sell it even if I wanted to.

      My choice if my situation were different; I had no car and had to buy one? Get a used 2010 Nissan 370Z with sport package for around 27grand
      Yea, I love this car. I will only get the v6 tho, and supercharge it. I hate the 370z, the Genesis I showed is sexy as hell, but Id get in blue, with CCW Classics 12" rear 10" front, and slam it on Ksports. I have heard the 2.0t is the MIVEC 2.0t which is why I said that its a better motor than VW's 2.0t. My brother has a MS3 and to put it simple its a piece of sh*t to drive, plus it looks like a minivan. The v6 Genesis makes almost an extra 100hp with a tune, headers, and free flowing exhaust(how Hyundai restricted the car), and an intake, or you can leave stock, s/c it and tune it for 430whp, intercool and rods for 500+
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      10-21-2011 12:13 PM #126
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      I think this is a little too big to work. Everything hangs down to low, for the alternator where its at. Which is why Im making a manifold similar to your shape, but the ends are going to be rolled so the air flows smooth. Then Im just gonna bolt the charger to the manifold like the Jackson Racing Honda kit, and inquire the spacer awic Josh was talking about if I have cooling issues, or Ill just make a 1" spacer and drill the sides and slip copper nozzles in and run DEI's Cryo2 kit on a electronic management to spray as needed when temps get up a bit
      This whole system is 11.8 front to back and 12 top to bottom. It is actually rotated a bit. So if you look at the 3rd picture and rotate it about 15 deg ccw. Thats how I was thinking of putting it.



      Thanks btw on the oval tubing!

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      10-21-2011 12:17 PM #127
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      This whole system is 11.8 front to back and 12 top to bottom. It is actually rotated a bit. So if you look at the 3rd picture and rotate it about 15 deg ccw. Thats how I was thinking of putting it.



      Thanks btw on the oval tubing!
      So you are going to mount the throttle body on the super charger as well?
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      10-21-2011 12:26 PM #128
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      So you are going to mount the throttle body on the super charger as well?
      Im not sure yet. I want to be able to utilise my sri so I dont have to add all those fitting to another pipe. It doesnt have to be in the same place. I just would like to run the same parts.

      I will probably just make an adaptor plate that angles the sri in the correst direction and allows the stock tb to bolt up.

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      10-21-2011 12:49 PM #129
      Just had another thought to help out with the belt wrap on the alt. Since the top mount is just a threw bolt, just make a stepped adaptor that would rock the alt forward about an inch. All that would need to be moved is a coolant line, and that could be fixed no problem either.

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      10-21-2011 12:58 PM #130
      Now I was thinking of

      1)shortening the intake arm on the supercharger 3" and mount the throttle body there and have a closed intake mani plenum, with maybe a tial wg on top just incase.
      The other option we came up with was:
      2) mount the s/c with the outlet pointing down with a ic adapter pointing toward the driver side fender and route the plubing to a awic in the factory battery location then to the tb on the side of the intake mani. Then just use that arm as an open intake routed down to the driver side lower grille with a filter. Do an filter housing relocate, and put both oil cooler and awic heat exchangers behind the lower center grille.
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      10-21-2011 01:00 PM #131
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      Just had another thought to help out with the belt wrap on the alt. Since the top mount is just a threw bolt, just make a stepped adaptor that would rock the alt forward about an inch. All that would need to be moved is a coolant line, and that could be fixed no problem either.
      That would work
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      10-21-2011 01:27 PM #132
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Now I was thinking of

      1)shortening the intake arm on the supercharger 3" and mount the throttle body there and have a closed intake mani plenum, with maybe a tial wg on top just incase.
      The other option we came up with was:
      2) mount the s/c with the outlet pointing down with a ic adapter pointing toward the driver side fender and route the plubing to a awic in the factory battery location then to the tb on the side of the intake mani. Then just use that arm as an open intake routed down to the driver side lower grille with a filter. Do an filter housing relocate, and put both oil cooler and awic heat exchangers behind the lower center grille.
      Im not sure I understand what you are talking about with an open intake verus a closed. and in the second solution will you be pressurizing before the tb?

      I thought about putting the awic in the battery location as well.


      I just did the calulations off the dims I got and with a 4 inch sc pulley that would put us at around 11000 rpm.

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      10-21-2011 01:42 PM #133
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      Im not sure I understand what you are talking about with an open intake verus a closed. and in the second solution will you be pressurizing before the tb?

      I thought about putting the awic in the battery location as well.


      I just did the calulations off the dims I got and with a 4 inch sc pulley that would put us at around 11000 rpm.
      Oh lol closed intake manifold meaning the throttle body is on the s/c, open intake manifold as in throttle body is on the intake manifold. The second soulution is essentially the same as running a turbo outlet routed to throttle body with a awic inbetween

      There is a Ferrari turbo kit that includes billet intake manifold, using barrel awics with the BOV's on the side of the intake mani. The idea was, not enough room to implement them before the manifold, so incorporate them into the mani, math is involved in our situation, which Im looking for a formula
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      10-21-2011 01:57 PM #134
      Heres idea 2 in a terrible mspaint attempt
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      10-21-2011 02:18 PM #136
      i think these deisgns will be faulted when you try to install them. they look like they all take up way too much room.

      if i were to make one and use a eaton.... i'd make the flange for the charger vertical will the head.
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      10-21-2011 02:45 PM #137
      Quote Originally Posted by nothing-leaves-stock View Post
      i think these deisgns will be faulted when you try to install them. they look like they all take up way too much room.

      if i were to make one and use a eaton.... i'd make the flange for the charger vertical will the head.
      Thats kinda my point with the designs. The best thing to do is bolt the thing to the intake manifold and do watermeth, or some other form of spray cooling, which I dont really think is needed for in my case a show car.

      Ive been telling the shop thats helping me with ideas, this is the simplest solution:

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      10-21-2011 03:05 PM #138
      Quote Originally Posted by nothing-leaves-stock View Post
      i think these deisgns will be faulted when you try to install them. they look like they all take up way too much room.

      if i were to make one and use a eaton.... i'd make the flange for the charger vertical will the head.
      I think the one with the awic in the battery location is the most feasible other than running no cooler like Kevin said.

      Just to clarify, do you mean parallel to the head? Or am I misunderstanding you?

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      Unless we can figure out a way to utilize the few inches we have above the valve cover, which I have a flat surface. So maybe a vr6 type manifold with built in awic like the new HPA special edition intake manifold. Let me make that image.
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