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      10-21-2011 12:13 PM #126
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      I think this is a little too big to work. Everything hangs down to low, for the alternator where its at. Which is why Im making a manifold similar to your shape, but the ends are going to be rolled so the air flows smooth. Then Im just gonna bolt the charger to the manifold like the Jackson Racing Honda kit, and inquire the spacer awic Josh was talking about if I have cooling issues, or Ill just make a 1" spacer and drill the sides and slip copper nozzles in and run DEI's Cryo2 kit on a electronic management to spray as needed when temps get up a bit
      This whole system is 11.8 front to back and 12 top to bottom. It is actually rotated a bit. So if you look at the 3rd picture and rotate it about 15 deg ccw. Thats how I was thinking of putting it.



      Thanks btw on the oval tubing!

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      10-21-2011 12:17 PM #127
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      This whole system is 11.8 front to back and 12 top to bottom. It is actually rotated a bit. So if you look at the 3rd picture and rotate it about 15 deg ccw. Thats how I was thinking of putting it.



      Thanks btw on the oval tubing!
      So you are going to mount the throttle body on the super charger as well?
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      10-21-2011 12:26 PM #128
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      So you are going to mount the throttle body on the super charger as well?
      Im not sure yet. I want to be able to utilise my sri so I dont have to add all those fitting to another pipe. It doesnt have to be in the same place. I just would like to run the same parts.

      I will probably just make an adaptor plate that angles the sri in the correst direction and allows the stock tb to bolt up.

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      10-21-2011 12:49 PM #129
      Just had another thought to help out with the belt wrap on the alt. Since the top mount is just a threw bolt, just make a stepped adaptor that would rock the alt forward about an inch. All that would need to be moved is a coolant line, and that could be fixed no problem either.

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      10-21-2011 12:58 PM #130
      Now I was thinking of

      1)shortening the intake arm on the supercharger 3" and mount the throttle body there and have a closed intake mani plenum, with maybe a tial wg on top just incase.
      The other option we came up with was:
      2) mount the s/c with the outlet pointing down with a ic adapter pointing toward the driver side fender and route the plubing to a awic in the factory battery location then to the tb on the side of the intake mani. Then just use that arm as an open intake routed down to the driver side lower grille with a filter. Do an filter housing relocate, and put both oil cooler and awic heat exchangers behind the lower center grille.
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      10-21-2011 01:00 PM #131
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      Just had another thought to help out with the belt wrap on the alt. Since the top mount is just a threw bolt, just make a stepped adaptor that would rock the alt forward about an inch. All that would need to be moved is a coolant line, and that could be fixed no problem either.
      That would work
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      10-21-2011 01:27 PM #132
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Now I was thinking of

      1)shortening the intake arm on the supercharger 3" and mount the throttle body there and have a closed intake mani plenum, with maybe a tial wg on top just incase.
      The other option we came up with was:
      2) mount the s/c with the outlet pointing down with a ic adapter pointing toward the driver side fender and route the plubing to a awic in the factory battery location then to the tb on the side of the intake mani. Then just use that arm as an open intake routed down to the driver side lower grille with a filter. Do an filter housing relocate, and put both oil cooler and awic heat exchangers behind the lower center grille.
      Im not sure I understand what you are talking about with an open intake verus a closed. and in the second solution will you be pressurizing before the tb?

      I thought about putting the awic in the battery location as well.


      I just did the calulations off the dims I got and with a 4 inch sc pulley that would put us at around 11000 rpm.

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      10-21-2011 01:42 PM #133
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      Im not sure I understand what you are talking about with an open intake verus a closed. and in the second solution will you be pressurizing before the tb?

      I thought about putting the awic in the battery location as well.


      I just did the calulations off the dims I got and with a 4 inch sc pulley that would put us at around 11000 rpm.
      Oh lol closed intake manifold meaning the throttle body is on the s/c, open intake manifold as in throttle body is on the intake manifold. The second soulution is essentially the same as running a turbo outlet routed to throttle body with a awic inbetween

      There is a Ferrari turbo kit that includes billet intake manifold, using barrel awics with the BOV's on the side of the intake mani. The idea was, not enough room to implement them before the manifold, so incorporate them into the mani, math is involved in our situation, which Im looking for a formula
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      10-21-2011 01:57 PM #134
      Heres idea 2 in a terrible mspaint attempt
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      10-21-2011 02:18 PM #136
      i think these deisgns will be faulted when you try to install them. they look like they all take up way too much room.

      if i were to make one and use a eaton.... i'd make the flange for the charger vertical will the head.
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      10-21-2011 02:45 PM #137
      Quote Originally Posted by nothing-leaves-stock View Post
      i think these deisgns will be faulted when you try to install them. they look like they all take up way too much room.

      if i were to make one and use a eaton.... i'd make the flange for the charger vertical will the head.
      Thats kinda my point with the designs. The best thing to do is bolt the thing to the intake manifold and do watermeth, or some other form of spray cooling, which I dont really think is needed for in my case a show car.

      Ive been telling the shop thats helping me with ideas, this is the simplest solution:

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      10-21-2011 03:05 PM #138
      Quote Originally Posted by nothing-leaves-stock View Post
      i think these deisgns will be faulted when you try to install them. they look like they all take up way too much room.

      if i were to make one and use a eaton.... i'd make the flange for the charger vertical will the head.
      I think the one with the awic in the battery location is the most feasible other than running no cooler like Kevin said.

      Just to clarify, do you mean parallel to the head? Or am I misunderstanding you?

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      10-21-2011 03:11 PM #139
      Unless we can figure out a way to utilize the few inches we have above the valve cover, which I have a flat surface. So maybe a vr6 type manifold with built in awic like the new HPA special edition intake manifold. Let me make that image.
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      10-21-2011 03:21 PM #140
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      10-21-2011 03:33 PM #141
      Cant wait to see when you guys get this all together and running. Super stoked about this! If you ask me, SC is way cooler than a turbo. If i had the money, and didnt need my warranty, I would have already ponied up for NLS to build it for me. Good luck

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      10-21-2011 03:39 PM #142
      Ok, HPA has a intak manifold that has a water intercooler built in. What if we did something like this


      Then we'd just need to run one pipe around up to the throttle body or we can move the throttle body to the s/c arm and do a cai off that.
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    18. 10-21-2011 04:05 PM #143
      Is there space to mount the sc under the intake mani? that way you could make a bigger plenum with an awic built in. Is that what you meant by your last pic?

      Also, if you are mounting the sc there couldn't you run it to a regular intercooler mounted in the front bumper and have it come back up to the intake mani? Like a turbo setup.
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      10-21-2011 04:16 PM #144
      Quote Originally Posted by DerekH View Post
      Is there space to mount the sc under the intake mani? that way you could make a bigger plenum with an awic built in. Is that what you meant by your last pic?

      Also, if you are mounting the sc there couldn't you run it to a regular intercooler mounted in the front bumper and have it come back up to the intake mani? Like a turbo setup.
      Yes you have to mount it under the intake manifold. That HPA mani has a built in awic. One pipe from outlet adapter to the manifold and bam cooling done, keep the battery in the bay, run that pipe under the car. Then you would just need to decide how you are going to route the throttle body.
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      10-21-2011 04:41 PM #145
      i just built a twin AWIC intake manifold....its a ton of work and money...
      i don't think its the best way to go like you posted...

      build what i just ghetto ms'd up. and add the AWIC core my friends make and be done. plain, simple, cheapest, yadda yadda. don't over engineer it
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      10-21-2011 04:44 PM #146
      Quote Originally Posted by nothing-leaves-stock View Post
      i just built a twin AWIC intake manifold....its a ton of work and money...
      i don't think its the best way to go like you posted...

      build what i just ghetto ms'd up. and add the AWIC core my friends make and be done. plain, simple, cheapest, yadda yadda. don't over engineer it
      Thats what IM doing. It seems Mld is looking to build a technical setup. Can you get pics of his product, Im very interested.
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      10-21-2011 04:57 PM #147
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Thats what IM doing. It seems Mld is looking to build a technical setup. Can you get pics of his product, Im very interested.
      I guess, Im also not worried about having to cut into my hood and add some type of hump to have cooler air going into the motor. So I have a little more height to play with.

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      10-21-2011 05:08 PM #148
      Quote Originally Posted by mldouthi View Post
      I guess, Im also not worried about having to cut into my hood and add some type of hump to have cooler air going into the motor. So I have a little more height to play with.
      See if I could figure out something cool to do as a cut in the hood, Id do it. Like raise the front and have a vent behind it like this
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    24. 10-21-2011 05:33 PM #149
      At work now. Getting measurements on way home. Super slammed today.

      I don't like top mount IC. Way too much heat soak unless its a fancy polymer which is expensive as heck to fabricate. I think running a drive shaft to the belt and just mounting the super charger where the battery is would work best.
      Last edited by tchilds; 10-21-2011 at 05:38 PM.

    25. 10-21-2011 05:43 PM #150
      Quote Originally Posted by tchilds View Post
      At work now. Getting measurements on way home. Super slammed today.

      I don't like top mount IC. Way too much heat soak unless its a fancy polymer which is expensive as heck to fabricate. I think running a drive shaft to the belt and just mounting the super charger where the battery is would work best.
      Good idea, definitely doesn't look as cool as mounted straight to the intake mani though. lol

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