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    1. Member Big CADDY's Avatar
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      09-04-2012 11:01 AM #101
      Our builder is having the plans for the septic drawn up to be sent to our township SEO.

      I'm meeting an engineer for MetEd (electric) on site Thursday.

      In 1938 they put a pole on the edge of our property and from there they ran the lines underground out the road to feed the homes. Also from this pole is a line that goes across the center of our lot to a pole on the land next to ours. I'm trying to have that wire moved so that we can build under the existing wire.

      There are no easments on our property. Any advice to have this done so it doesn't come out of my pocket?

      The picture below is a google image of the lot.
      The red arrows are the poles
      The blue is existing wiring for the road now
      The red dots are the line I want to move from pole to pole
      The black is outline of our lot

      The northern pole is not on my property and is in a farmers filed. If they could run that wire over to the blue I'd be fine. than no poles would need to be moved.

      The second image shows what I would like done.
      The aqua color is the new wire routing to the east.







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      09-05-2012 05:29 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by Big CADDY View Post

      There are no easments on our property. Any advice to have this done so it doesn't come out of my pocket?
      Kinda depends on what you are basing your "no easements" stance on.

      In my opinion, you will need to come out of pocket a bit(should be under 1000) for, at the very least, a survey - and not the one that was done when you bought the property (recent, yes?). Find a qualified land surveyor that will do a serious title search on your property, specifically to uncover ANY easements that may exist - even if they are not shown on the most recent survey (from your purchase), they may be there. You need this information before you talk to the power company.

      If, in fact, there are NO easements - call the power company. Do not talk to the regular customer service people. Get to the construction division, to someone who deals specifically relocations and new development. Set up a meeting, show them your issue, and tell them that you would appreciate the lines being moved off of your property. See where it goes. Don't be scared off by terms like "adverse possession" or squatters rights (though you may wish to educate yourself on your state's handling of those statutes), because by merely bringing the matter to light you will likely re-set the time period required for such statutes to be invoked.

      In all likelyhood - you'll need to be a squeaky wheel to get anything done. Really, though - spring for the survey out of pocket at first. You may be able to negotiate reimbursement if you are in the right (after-all - if there isn't any easement...you should be entitled to rent, right?)

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      09-05-2012 07:58 PM #103
      Thanks, great info.

      I did go to the courthouse today and found two easements.. grrr.

      I guess back in 1938ish metropolitan Edison coughed up $1.00 to put a pole on the property and run the line across.

      Feeling I'm screwed. But, I think they can do this without moving any poles... They just need to move the line from the south pole side to the eastern lines that run along the road. I don't know how it all works.

      My meeting is tomorrow with MetEd on site. A lady is meeting me there from MetEd.

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      09-05-2012 08:55 PM #104
      Yeah, you may be up poop's creek.
      Suggestion:

      Right now, every power co in the country Tries their hardest to get lines underground, and most NEW development is required to be underground.

      They will likel want a large chunk of change to move poles and wires. If this is the case, ask about the possibility of placing conduit for them around the backside of your lot or the frontside by the road. The power co may actually GIVE you the conduit to do this. Pulling cable is far cheaper for them thn sending a line crew to move poles, add wire, etc.

      Pm for more info if you like.

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      09-06-2012 03:14 PM #105
      Thanks for the info.

      I just saw your post. I just got back from the meeting with the engineer from MetEd.


      the power lines that feed all the homes and farm north of the lot run across my lot. Cable and phone run along the street. Sh said it would be a real PITA to run it along the street because of cutting down tons of trees that arent on my property.

      She proposed putting in two poles and running the line diagonally across my lot which seem as if it would work.

      It still sucks to have the costs to do this and I'm really affraid to see the sticker price.

      Red is new line, aqua is existing, yellow is poles and Guy wires.



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      09-06-2012 04:55 PM #106
      If you're going to the extent of moving wires and poles, what about moving the poles along the right property line right up the top right corner of your lot. You're already going to be incurring the costs to bring in the equipment to make the changes, so extra to not have the lines running across the middle of your lot might be of value.

      Tough situation that's gonna cost you one way or another.

    7. 09-06-2012 05:17 PM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by Big CADDY View Post
      Thanks, great info.

      I did go to the courthouse today and found two easements.. grrr.

      I guess back in 1938ish metropolitan Edison coughed up $1.00 to put a pole on the property and run the line across.

      Feeling I'm screwed. But, I think they can do this without moving any poles... They just need to move the line from the south pole side to the eastern lines that run along the road. I don't know how it all works.

      My meeting is tomorrow with MetEd on site. A lady is meeting me there from MetEd.
      Did you have title insurance when you bought the property? Did any easements come up then?

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      09-06-2012 07:58 PM #108
      I'd pay for another couple of poles than to let them run the power lines right through my front yard like that. Remember, it they have to upgrade service at some later date, the wires could get bigger and bigger.

      Quote Originally Posted by Big CADDY View Post
      Thanks for the info.

      I just saw your post. I just got back from the meeting with the engineer from MetEd.


      the power lines that feed all the homes and farm north of the lot run across my lot. Cable and phone run along the street. Sh said it would be a real PITA to run it along the street because of cutting down tons of trees that arent on my property.

      She proposed putting in two poles and running the line diagonally across my lot which seem as if it would work.

      It still sucks to have the costs to do this and I'm really affraid to see the sticker price.

      Red is new line, aqua is existing, yellow is poles and Guy wires.



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      09-08-2012 05:19 PM #109
      There were two easements on the property. The agent alluded to them being the road frontages on the south and east.

      We do have title insurance and it shows the two easements but stupid us we thought it was for the road frontages.

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      09-25-2012 04:23 PM #110
      Ok,

      Been a little while. I'm meeting with the engineer from MetEd and my builder tomorrow on site to hash out a plan for the line move.

      looks like we are going to run the lines up the left side of the property. MetEd is about Azzbackword when it comes to being proactive.

      Septic plan is done

      Once the paperwork is signed for MetEd my builder can get started. I think he's chomping at the bit to get it rolling before winter so he and his crew have stable work.. I don't blame them. I also met with my electrician. He's gonna come in and pretty much mark where each box goes and I'll do the rest minus the termination at the box.

      I'll be running CAT5 to each room and also lines for security cameras.

      I'll keep updates coming as I get them. Be prepared for tons of pics.

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      10-10-2012 12:23 PM #111
      Project a go for this year?

    12. 10-10-2012 01:30 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by Big CADDY View Post
      I'll keep updates coming as I get them. Be prepared for tons of pics.
      Ok, I am prepared. (in case you were waiting on me)
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      10-10-2012 04:19 PM #113
      haha.

      I just got the results from the surveyor. There are trees that run up the left side of the lot. I want to remove some of the old dead ones and one that was zapped by lightning because this precious MetEd line is going as close to the property line as possible.

      Also waiting on the bill from Met Ed.

      I got the plans and the wife and I have only made a few changes. We did go with a different home plan. It's similar but a little more basic.

      We really liked the first one we picked but with all the custom gable stuff, and odd shaped walls we'd be paying a bit for all the custom stuff.

      We added two feet width straight down through the kitchen.
      the garage was bumped out three feet to allow for a stairway to the basement
      We ditched the master bath tub and I'll be putting a walk in dual shower. The existing shower stall to the left of the tub will be an exit to the hot tub out back.





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      10-10-2012 04:47 PM #114
      Not a bad plan. I've seen much worse for sure! Curious if you think you'll actually use the Master Sitting room? Considered making that a study/office accessed from the foyer instead? Also adding space somehow into the laundry area. Depends what style washer/dryer you have, if front load with controls at the front you could put a counter on top of them for laundry folding. Otherwise you literally have no space for clothes. Suggest wall cabinets above too for added storage. Do you think you'd need a sink in the laundry area for pre-wash/soaking stains? What about hanging clothing as it comes out of the dryer, or drip dry only clothing?
      Adding 2 feet to the kitchen/breakfast/dining is going to make a world of difference! There isn't much prep/counter space in the current layout. Is the "pantry" against the dining wall with the door actually built with walls? If so, those are a waste of space in the kitchen area. I'd look at making that into actual counter space, like a buffet area before going into the dining room. Then make a tall pantry next to the fridge by the foyer entry. Where's all the "junk" going to go in the kitchen? Like cell phone chargers, mail, purses, keys, etc?
      Those are just my suggestions. Take them for what they are worth, but working in the remodeling/home building industry we do a lot of kitchens/baths/mud/laundry room renovations and those are the biggest concerns clients come to us with. I need more counter space and storage space.

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      10-10-2012 10:13 PM #115
      Those were our exact concerns.

      we thought of putting a set of french doors between the sitting room and the master then accessing the sitting room from the small hallway above the sitting room.

      If you can imagine the 2' extension as a vertical line right were the "K" is in kitchen. extend it there.

      We definately want a larger pantry somehow. The extra two feet may allow for that.

      The laundry room does need to be larger than what is shown. This plan doesn't show the steps to the basement which go down and to the left below the washer. This adds an extra 3' to the laundry room but only for a door. The roofline would need to be changed if I widened the laundry room


      I was able to upload the plan pic with the basement stairs.

      Thanks for the input.


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      10-10-2012 11:33 PM #116
      hmmm... that did make the laundry feel bigger and added some usable space. Looking at those stairs to go up above the garage, a bonus room I presume unfinished or finished? Either way, a bugger trying to get anything large up that zig zag stair. Also the doors into the shared bath are only 24" wide?! That's tiny! holy crap they should be at least 28-30". Measure your shoulders, they're probably pretty close to 24" and you want to walk thru that to get into the bath? I understand the necessity for small doors in that area, very congested with openings going all directions, but wow, 24" is pretty small for everyday use.

      I would consider adjusting the sitting room if you don't think you'll use it all the time and could benefit from the extra "living" room. I know I would make it into a study/office where the computer and files/bills can go. Where else do you anticipate keeping those sort of items? Maybe consider putting the hall closet back to back with a closet for the "sitting room"? Open the hall closet facing the family, and move the door to powder room to also face the family room. Not the most private, but it's only a half bath, and it is divided by a ~4' hallway from the main living spaces. Either keep the access from the Master bed or the foyer?

      I know you said the width of the kitchen got bigger by 2', but do you mean the length? Is the kitchen now 11'-3"x15' or 13'-3"x13'? I would definitely move the pantry cabinet beside the refrigerator and make the fridge look built in. Then make it base and wall cabinets where the old tall pantry cab was. It will give you much needed counter space next to the stove without feeling cramped. As well as add a place to drop stuff before entertaining in the dining room, like extra platters, or dishes, or glasses, etc. Depends what kind of furniture you have for the dining room too. Measure your current table and chairs if you plan to keep them, and then measure 11'-3 to make sure you have enough room with the chairs pulled out as if people were sitting in them. Can you still walk around comfortably or will you be squeezing by the wall?

      You have the opportunity now to make all these changes on paper and it costs A LOT less than during construction or worse, after you move in and realize you should've made that 12" bigger/smaller.

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      10-11-2012 09:57 AM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by Crob View Post
      Ugh, I can't stand a single story home that is made to look like a two story. Faux dormers are the worst.

      I actually really like the look of that house but knowing it's one level ruins it for me.

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      10-11-2012 11:04 AM #118
      Instead of giving them an entirely new house plan to mull over, which I'm sure they have done for quite some time before coming to the decision they did already, I modified it some. It did grow to a total of 2,420sq.ft. of finished living area (excluding the garage). I made the dining, kitchen, and breakfast area's 13'-3 instead of 11'-3. Also reworked the laundry, stairs going up and down, as well as the bedroom/bathrooms. The basement stair is accessed from the garage, not sure how you may feel about it. I personally don't mind as I will probably never finish a basement if I have enough living space on the main floor - it just becomes storage.

      I changed the powder and closets like I had suggested earlier. The kitchen is tricky, that extra 2' of width I added helped, but if you were going to also add 2' of length, then you could make it even bigger. When the 2' of width was added, the work triangle became quite large from sink to stove to fridge in the original plan, so that's why I moved it to an island configuration. I think it allows for a much easier flow thru the kitchen to other rooms without having to go thru the middle of it and disrupt the whoever is cooking/prepping food.

      My biggest concern was to keep the open plan concept of the kitchen/eating/living areas like what was in your original concept. Some of the plans Crob suggested strayed from that and gave you more rooms to fill (furnish and heat/cool).
      These are my suggestions, take them for what they're worth. Hope you like them at least.


      The second option for the kitchen I thought of:

      The work triangle grew, but you have planty of counter space and storage.

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      10-11-2012 11:30 AM #119
      Haha. Softplan has it's moments for sure! But what software doesn't. It's great when you are designing and building new, but our primary business is remodeling/renovations/additions, so it can get pretty interesting when you have to design the existing conditions the way the computer thinks it's supposed to be built from new materials. Lots of "tricking" the program are involved sometimes.

      I wasnt sure if they even wanted the study, but thought I'd do it anyway. Personally I don't see the need for an entire room to be dedicated to sitting in your master suite. Just make the bedroom large enough to have a place for a comfy chair/chaise/couch and you're good.

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      10-11-2012 12:19 PM #120
      Ugh! I would love to be able to have new construction only! But right now the market still focusing on renovations since most people don't have the money to put upfront for new builds. At least in my area of South Central PA. Not sure where you are, but maybe I should think about relocating!

      Softplan does very well with the details if you build it correctly in plan with the correct components.


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      10-11-2012 01:13 PM #122
      Depends what part of the South I guess. Coming from PA and then New England, I think I could enjoy the South for a while.

      edit- we've totally derailed the thread. haha!

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      10-11-2012 03:17 PM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by vdubjettaman View Post
      These are my suggestions, take them for what they're worth. Hope you like them at least.
      The 13 x 13 dining room would be more flexible if the 6' opening to the foyer had the foyer walls completely, or almost completely removed so you have at least a 9 foot span to the foyer. That gives you the flexibility to use a temporary banquet table that intrudes into the foyer. Useful at big gatherings like Thanksgiving and Christmas where you stash the regular dining room table in the garage.

      One issue for a house in the north... there is no coat closet at the front door.

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      10-11-2012 03:31 PM #124
      There is a closet right around the corner in the foyer.

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      10-11-2012 08:06 PM #125
      wow, nice job on the plans. I just left meeting with the builder. We found out our property line is on the far side of the trees. Which is good. I'll be about to move the power poles back another seven feet.


      He took the plans and I mentioned some of the modifications we have all talked about. I gotta call him about those dumb 24'' doors. I totally didnt' see that. Thats like broom closet doors.

      We need to widen the garage a little to allow for a man door and possibly double garage doors.

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