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    Thread: How to build a relatively inexpensive, reliable, 'powerful' 2.0 8v.

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      05-24-2012 11:40 AM #301
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      My BBM kit is coming tomorrow, along with the rest of my packages.

      Bump for the forum's sake, guys. I'll be making some 0-60 and 0-100 pulls using my daily before FI and after, too. Friend just bought a farm with a near 1/2 mile long driveway.
      PLZ buy my Mk3 and take from it what you need $1000 or best offer!
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      05-24-2012 08:55 PM #302
      C2 issues seem to be pretty well fixed.

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      05-25-2012 10:46 PM #303
      Bump for the forum.

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      05-26-2012 02:08 AM #304
      Bump for picturing of new whining goodness.
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      05-27-2012 09:12 PM #305
      Looking into adding a SRI section. Maybe a feedback section?

      Say, if you have a C2 chip, or a eurosport intake. You can give your feedback on the item, and I can add it to a list. Something like

      Eurosport intake , , ,

      Neuspeed intake

      Something like that.

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      05-27-2012 09:54 PM #306
      For the SRI section, you could list all known premade units and then list Ross Machine Racing's site for the DIY guys.
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      05-28-2012 12:11 PM #307
      Quote Originally Posted by AJmustDIE View Post
      For the SRI section, you could list all known premade units and then list Ross Machine Racing's site for the DIY guys.
      Yeah, I'm trying to find more info on the HKK one. The USRT one is a very nice piece.

    8. 05-29-2012 03:31 AM #308
      Yeah I have the 94 golf im pretty sure its obd 1 also so which chip is thatbthe 270, n damm I had another question but I keep blanking n idk if anyone had a problem with their speedometer not working mine seems to work 2% of t he time usally if I go over a bump it will stop working or just wont start at all, n I have some kind of sound like keys jingling in the back left side I cant figure out what it is

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      05-29-2012 07:44 AM #309
      Quote Originally Posted by stlgolf3 View Post
      Yeah I have the 94 golf im pretty sure its obd 1 also so which chip is thatbthe 270, n damm I had another question but I keep blanking n idk if anyone had a problem with their speedometer not working mine seems to work 2% of t he time usally if I go over a bump it will stop working or just wont start at all, n I have some kind of sound like keys jingling in the back left side I cant figure out what it is
      It's OBD1. You can get various different chips. TT sells one, GIAC does too. I'd go with TT. You just go online and order a chip that matches the number on the top of your ECU.

      The 270* Autotech cam is a very nice piece. Good power, good idle. For OBD1, you don't need HD valve springs. Just remember you'll need to change the lifters, (~80 dollars).

      Sounds like your cluster is bad. Go get one from a 93-98 Jetta/Golf/Cabrio/GTI and swap it in. It's 6 screws total.

    10. 05-29-2012 09:32 AM #310
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Yeah, I'm trying to find more info on the HKK one. The USRT one is a very nice piece.
      911_fan would know. He ran and dynoed both. I could be wrong, but I thought all the original USRT ones were made by HKK. Kind of custom pieces and not really production. He was taking stock lower manifolds as cores.

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      05-29-2012 06:51 PM #311
      Quote Originally Posted by zero. View Post
      911_fan would know. He ran and dynoed both. I could be wrong, but I thought all the original USRT ones were made by HKK. Kind of custom pieces and not really production. He was taking stock lower manifolds as cores.
      Paging 911_fan!


      I know from experience that the USRT piece is very very nice.. I don't know if any other companies really make a "good" one. I don't want to bother adding a place that says "buy a generic DIY intake manifold" because it's definitely more involved than the average person can do, and there is science behind it. I wouldn't run a home made SRI, unless I built it and made it from R to D.

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      05-29-2012 07:28 PM #312
      It's not hard to do... if you can make measurements and can weld, or have somebody weld for you it opens up a whole world. Screw paying $700 for something that I built for $300, and **** on it in terms of flow.







      Colm, this thread shouldn't be carried with the attitude of "something your average person can't do and won't be included" kind of thread. Those kind of decisions should be left up to the people attempting such things. If they feel it's too much for them well then maybe it is, that's not to say it shouldn't be included among this resource bin for ambitious people who don't want to puss(y) foot around and actually want to make power.
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      05-29-2012 07:44 PM #313
      Quote Originally Posted by AJmustDIE View Post
      It's not hard to do... if you can make measurements and can weld, or have somebody weld for you it opens up a whole world. Screw paying $700 for something that I built for $300, and **** on it in terms of flow.


      Colm, this thread shouldn't be carried with the attitude of "something your average person can't do and won't be included" kind of thread. Those kind of decisions should be left up to the people attempting such things. If they feel it's too much for them well then maybe it is, that's not to say it shouldn't be included among this resource bin for ambitious people who don't want to puss(y) foot around and actually want to make power.
      You're right.
      I'll try to look into some DIY kits. I know BBM sells one, and I'm sure ebay does too. Using the stock lower intake manifold/fuel rail makes things a bit easier if possible.. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard.

      I just think they can go wrong easily and you can starve cylinders if you don't know what you're doing, you know? It's like playing with fire.

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      05-29-2012 08:22 PM #314
      the mk4 lower manifold is smaller at the head than it is at the union of upper and lower creating a venturi effect

      thus making it a better place to start a diy sri
      just a thought

    15. 05-29-2012 09:42 PM #315
      The HKK ones were like $400 or less with core when they were being made. I don't think they were that sophisticated of a design. The USRT ones were an improvement, but the same guy, Greg Haley from HKK/SVi Welding, was making them as far as I know. The latest USRT long runner ones are someone else I'm pretty sure. I don't remember whole story but I remember people having problems getting work and parts back from Greg. Schimmel makes them too. I don't know about for a 2.0, but money talks.

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      05-29-2012 10:41 PM #316
      Quote Originally Posted by zero. View Post
      The HKK ones were like $400 or less with core when they were being made. I don't think they were that sophisticated of a design. The USRT ones were an improvement, but the same guy, Greg Haley from HKK/SVi Welding, was making them as far as I know. The latest USRT long runner ones are someone else I'm pretty sure. I don't remember whole story but I remember people having problems getting work and parts back from Greg. Schimmel makes them too. I don't know about for a 2.0, but money talks.
      The USRT manifold is awesome. Thanks for the info brother.

    17. 05-30-2012 11:58 AM #317
      The only thing I'd suggest if you decide to build your own or get a custom one is to look into a dual plenum design. It'll distribute the air more equally at the runners/head. May not be too important for an N/A build, but for FI it could make a considerable difference.

    18. 05-30-2012 12:39 PM #318
      THe first version's of Greg's manifolds were a basic log welded to a lower stock piece. Then went to a measured log, stock bottom, domed with pressed-bell runners. THe latter is what was rebranded as USRT manifolds, and one of the models I dyno tested. He made the custom manifold that I ran (and sold to Zero).

      THere was a huge pissing match (which I wont get into due to involvement) between Greg/HKK and Scott/USRT over production, so USRT went with various other welders and claimed a "different" design; so began the 'LRI'. All that consisted of was the bells integrated into the plenum wall as opposed to the original design of them protruding into the plenum. (

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      05-30-2012 02:38 PM #319
      Quote Originally Posted by AJmustDIE View Post
      It's not hard to do... if you can make measurements and can weld, or have somebody weld for you it opens up a whole world. Screw paying $700 for something that I built for $300, and **** on it in terms of flow.







      Colm, this thread shouldn't be carried with the attitude of "something your average person can't do and won't be included" kind of thread. Those kind of decisions should be left up to the people attempting such things. If they feel it's too much for them well then maybe it is, that's not to say it shouldn't be included among this resource bin for ambitious people who don't want to puss(y) foot around and actually want to make power.

      that looks very nice, i gotta start checking the classifieds more often for a SRI/LRI... cuz yeh $700 is a lot... 500 wouldn't be so bad.
      PLZ buy my Mk3 and take from it what you need $1000 or best offer!
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      05-30-2012 08:54 PM #320
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      that looks very nice, i gotta start checking the classifieds more often for a SRI/LRI... cuz yeh $700 is a lot... 500 wouldn't be so bad.
      700 isn't too bad for a 20whp gain, especially if you keep the USRT manifold and use it in other cars (I've had mine in 3 different cars!). It's probably the best performance part for a N/A 2.0 to make power except for a huge cam.

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      05-30-2012 09:35 PM #321
      Quote Originally Posted by zero. View Post
      The only thing I'd suggest if you decide to build your own or get a custom one is to look into a dual plenum design. It'll distribute the air more equally at the runners/head. May not be too important for an N/A build, but for FI it could make a considerable difference.
      Actually for a REAL n/a application, it would mean everything.
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      05-30-2012 10:55 PM #322
      The SRI manifolds are soooo good for power. I wish I could run mine with my BBM kit, but, alas, I cannot. I'm stuck with a ported MK4 manifold.

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      05-30-2012 11:25 PM #323
      Dude, you could so get a built LRI with a nice sized plenum in there. It would resemble the 16v intake in shape but it could be built to PERFORM. I say take the plunge. BE A PIONEER.
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    24. 05-31-2012 06:44 AM #324
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      700 isn't too bad for a 20whp gain,
      700 for the average manifold is too much, IMHO. Thats a cash grab of about $400 in profit after materials and labor is factored in. Trust me on that. The first 3 manifolds I bought were for under $300. (that was my price, though) And with the one I tested, even with a dinky 264* cam retarded 4*, I gained 21whp @ 6000rpms over the stock MKIII manifold. That's huge. Even on a bone stock motor, the older HKK manifolds were seeing a 10-12whp gain on the top end.

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      05-31-2012 02:02 PM #325
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      700 for the average manifold is too much, IMHO. Thats a cash grab of about $400 in profit after materials and labor is factored in. Trust me on that. The first 3 manifolds I bought were for under $300. (that was my price, though) And with the one I tested, even with a dinky 264* cam retarded 4*, I gained 21whp @ 6000rpms over the stock MKIII manifold. That's huge. Even on a bone stock motor, the older HKK manifolds were seeing a 10-12whp gain on the top end.
      yeh I remember those dynos...
      PLZ buy my Mk3 and take from it what you need $1000 or best offer!
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