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    Thread: How to build a relatively inexpensive, reliable, 'powerful' 2.0 8v.

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      08-12-2012 07:14 AM #626
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      There is no other reason other than different versions of Motronic. Motor makes no power after 4500 rpms regardless of year.
      good point
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      08-12-2012 03:29 PM #627
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      There is no other reason other than different versions of Motronic. Motor makes no power after 4500 rpms regardless of year.
      Are you sure? I know about the no power part, but it's odd for a manufacturer to just change the cluster redline randomly. It seems a bit odd, even if they changed to OBD2. It's a little weird.

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      08-12-2012 04:01 PM #628
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Are you sure? I know about the no power part, but it's odd for a manufacturer to just change the cluster redline randomly. It seems a bit odd, even if they changed to OBD2. It's a little weird.
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    4. 08-13-2012 06:59 AM #629
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Are you sure? I know about the no power part, but it's odd for a manufacturer to just change the cluster redline randomly. It seems a bit odd, even if they changed to OBD2. It's a little weird.
      Where the red paint starts on the gauge face is irrelevant considering the rev limiter kicks in waaaaay before the needle would ever get there.

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      08-13-2012 12:17 PM #630
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      Where the red paint starts on the gauge face is irrelevant considering the rev limiter kicks in waaaaay before the needle would ever get there.
      I suppose. MK3 rev limits are weird. Some stock cars I've had have a limiter as soon as it hits the red (6200) and some will go way past that.. It's mostly the early cars that go past 6200, 93-95 and some 96's. It's such an odd thing.

    6. 08-13-2012 05:51 PM #631
      Who in there right mind would take a stock 2.0 past 5000rpms?!. Talk Bout trying to get blood from a stone!

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      08-13-2012 06:04 PM #632
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      Who in there right mind would take a stock 2.0 past 5000rpms?!. Talk Bout trying to get blood from a stone!
      My little cousin has a 2.0 Jetta. It has a cone filter, a big, crush bent, louuuud exhaust, and a "tuned chip". Now, I had a Scirocco 2.0 16v at the time of this wonderful story.

      He considered his car very fast. He revved it off the tach. Past 7k. He thought it was the fastest thing in the world, and that because my Scirocco's readline was 7k, his could rev that high too! "same 2.0 engine, dude!".

      So yeah, some people don't understand peak power isn't always the highest RPM the engine will go.

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      08-13-2012 08:43 PM #633
      Travis, I was wondering how your MPG was with your old N/A build. The 288* cam one. My daily got around 20 MPG before I switched to FI, and now I get 25! I think part of it is not having to shift at 4k RPM and being able to cruise in a higher gear than usual..

    9. 08-14-2012 06:59 AM #634
      On summer blended 93oct, I was getting about 28-30mpg average. (about 380ish per tank?)
      I could squeeze out more with the 276* only because it didn't have to drive it to 4000rpms every time I wanted the power.
      Last edited by 911_fan; 08-14-2012 at 10:45 AM.

    10. 08-14-2012 03:35 PM #635
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      On summer blended 93oct, I was getting about 28-30mpg average. (about 380ish per tank?)
      I could squeeze out more with the 276* only because it didn't have to drive it to 4000rpms every time I wanted the power.
      This makes me happy will be running 276 .114 w/ PTE5573 and intermanicooler, sounds like this cam has a wide powerband, did you ever play with advancing and retarding timing?

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      08-14-2012 05:15 PM #636
      Quote Originally Posted by jettred3 View Post
      This makes me happy will be running 276 .114 w/ PTE5573 and intermanicooler, sounds like this cam has a wide powerband, did you ever play with advancing and retarding timing?
      I have the 276* wide lobe center (114) cam in my car. It pulls hard from 2k to the cut off. Set to 0* right now until I get dyno time to mess with the camgear.

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      08-14-2012 05:39 PM #637
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      VR6's exhausts do sound awesome. I think an ABA with a SRI intake sounds better than the intake noise of a modified VR6 - My 97 Golf is a full bolt on VR6 swap and it sounds good with my 3" MBS system with a Vibrant resonator (really quiets the VR down!) and a Flowmaster muffler, but.. it's only the exhaust that sounds good, in reality the engine sounds like poop IMO.
      what aspect of the exhaust? Isnt it pretty similiar to the ABA exhaust setup (Excluding the Header)

      I think it has more to do with those two extra cylinders

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      08-14-2012 08:03 PM #638
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      what aspect of the exhaust? Isnt it pretty similiar to the ABA exhaust setup (Excluding the Header)

      I think it has more to do with those two extra cylinders
      I just meant the exhaust tone, not the exhaust size/tubing/mufflers/etc.

      My VR6 Golf was sold to a 15 year old kid's mom. She bought it for my asking price.. for the kids first car. I didn't want to sell them it. I'm afraid the kid will hurt himself..

      VR6 exhaust>ABA exhaust in terms of sound IMO.

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      08-15-2012 05:49 AM #639
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      I just meant the exhaust tone, not the exhaust size/tubing/mufflers/etc.
      VR6 exhaust>ABA exhaust in terms of sound IMO.
      I won't own a VR6 powered VW but I do LOVE the sound of a VR exhaust.
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    15. 08-15-2012 11:22 AM #640
      The distinct sound comes from the unequal length intake/exhaust.

      Same reason why the Subie sounds like it does...the exhaust manifold. But put an equal lengthen header on it, and it sounds like any other 4 banger. Oh, and Mazdas do the same thing I think.

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      08-15-2012 12:59 PM #641
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      The distinct sound comes from the unequal length intake/exhaust.

      Same reason why the Subie sounds like it does...the exhaust manifold. But put an equal lengthen header on it, and it sounds like any other 4 banger. Oh, and Mazdas do the same thing I think.

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      08-15-2012 03:19 PM #642
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      The distinct sound comes from the unequal length intake/exhaust.

      Same reason why the Subie sounds like it does...the exhaust manifold. But put an equal lengthen header on it, and it sounds like any other 4 banger. Oh, and Mazdas do the same thing I think.
      equal length headers wont change that on the VR. the port lengths/size/shape are drastically different.

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      08-15-2012 08:19 PM #644
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      I saw that cam FS too. I don't like running used cams. Especially if they aren't mine.. And I always mark the lifters with 1-8, so I can put them back in their respective spot in the new engine.
      Used cams FTL, IMO..

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      08-15-2012 08:31 PM #645
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      I saw that cam FS too. I don't like running used cams. Especially if they aren't mine.. And I always mark the lifters with 1-8, so I can put them back in their respective spot in the new engine.
      Used cams FTL, IMO..
      hmm I know Travis has ran used cams with no issues, you just run new lifters....

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      08-15-2012 08:45 PM #646
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      hmm I know Travis has ran used cams with no issues, you just run new lifters....
      Oh, I know people do it, I just don't personally feel comfortable with it. I'm a OCD freak.

      Anyone have experience with welding chargepiping? Good idea or bad? I have too many hose clamps, I'd rather weld a few of them up.. Blew a hose clamp/coupler off my intercooler today during a "spirited" drive with a friend Jessica's VF S/C corrado on some back roads in CT. Thought I blew the lysholm up!
      Never, EVER had this happen before on any of my boosted 2.0's or boosted cars for that matter!

      Also, anyone have any experience running a CRY02 intercooler spray bar kit? I have one in the garage sitting, I figure I could really use it. Air intake temps get pretty hot sometimes.. But winter is coming, and the GT will be put in storage, so.. Idk. Anyone got any ideas? I also saw they make a kit that sprays C02 in the intake tubing to cool the air temp down! They have some neat things.

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      08-16-2012 06:06 AM #647
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Oh, I know people do it, I just don't personally feel comfortable with it. I'm a OCD freak.

      Anyone have experience with welding chargepiping? Good idea or bad? I have too many hose clamps, I'd rather weld a few of them up.. Blew a hose clamp/coupler off my intercooler today during a "spirited" drive with a friend Jessica's VF S/C corrado on some back roads in CT. Thought I blew the lysholm up!
      Never, EVER had this happen before on any of my boosted 2.0's or boosted cars for that matter!

      Also, anyone have any experience running a CRY02 intercooler spray bar kit? I have one in the garage sitting, I figure I could really use it. Air intake temps get pretty hot sometimes.. But winter is coming, and the GT will be put in storage, so.. Idk. Anyone got any ideas? I also saw they make a kit that sprays C02 in the intake tubing to cool the air temp down! They have some neat things.
      Welding charge piping is a great way to reduce the number of hose clamps on an FI system. Then use T-bolt clamps for the silicone couplers you retain and the set up will be just about trouble free.

      Or you could also go V-band.
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    23. 08-16-2012 10:02 AM #648
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      I saw that cam FS too. I don't like running used cams.
      Looks new and says it's new/unused. My 272 cat cam (really 280/278) was lopey enough. I couldn't imagine what that cam would sound like.

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      08-16-2012 01:08 PM #649
      Quote Originally Posted by zero. View Post
      Looks new and says it's new/unused. My 272 cat cam (really 280/278) was lopey enough. I couldn't imagine what that cam would sound like.
      yeh its new, also doesn't say its a TT brand 298, I thought they were the only one who made the 298 Hydro 8v cam... I messaged him though...

      If I could pick this up on the cheap I would build a head just for it!

    25. 08-16-2012 01:14 PM #650
      Here's a video of a TT 298...Lope at idle sounds just about the same as my old cat cam. It's a sound I don't necessarily miss...lol
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