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    Thread: How to build a relatively inexpensive, reliable, 'powerful' 2.0 8v.

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      10-05-2012 07:27 PM #901
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
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      hmm IDK, i cant find the Eurotuner dyno, I think they dynoed the Eurosport intake? and it made like 5whp I recall; I wonder if they were doing that dyno with the hood open
      90% of dyno's have a industrial fan infront of the car to simulate airflow at a high speed. I'd imagine that makes certain "cold air intakes" perform better. Especially with the hood open. I tend to keep the stock airbox if I can on most of my cars. From what I've seen MK3's have pretty good airboxes. The whole "crappy flowing manifold" thing sort of makes that hard with a MK3. My GT has a conical air filter, because there's no real way for me to run a stock airbox because the TB is on the right side of the engine bay. My GL has a SRI, and I decided to take a Neuspeed S/C airbox and make that work, and I use a plain paper filter with it.. I don't think a cone on the end of the MAF or piece of pipe would make more power unless I put it infront of the headlight and removed the lense, ram-air style.

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      10-06-2012 12:50 PM #903
      this morning I decided...

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...)-for-your-VR6

      also if anyone wants to buy this thing outright I'd probably do it, shoot me an offer thru PM
      Last edited by vacuumnoise; 10-06-2012 at 03:22 PM.
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      10-06-2012 03:04 PM #904
      Quote Originally Posted by dOWa242 View Post
      I'd like to build an aba but I can't evven get mine to run.
      Why not?
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      Why not?
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      10-06-2012 09:46 PM #906
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      this morning I decided to do a vr6 swap...


      also if anyone wants to buy this thing outright I'd probably do it, shoot me an offer thru PM

      Why bother selling it? The car isn't rotting, which is a big plus. You probably won't find a cleaner VR6.

      If you want a VR so bad, just buy a swap for ~1000 bucks. You could sell your motor/ecu/trans/subframes/suspension/etc to someone with an A2 looking for a swap, and that'd pay for most of the VR6 swap parts or wrecked VR6 swap car.

      I have plenty of VR6 parts in my garage, I'm 99% sure I can piece together a complete OBD2 swap with the parts in there, along with a set of TT 264/260 VR cams and a few chips.

      PS: Please don't advertise your FS ad in this thread, it isn't meant for that.

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      10-07-2012 01:45 PM #907
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Why bother selling it? The car isn't rotting, which is a big plus. You probably won't find a cleaner VR6.

      If you want a VR so bad, just buy a swap for ~1000 bucks. You could sell your motor/ecu/trans/subframes/suspension/etc to someone with an A2 looking for a swap, and that'd pay for most of the VR6 swap parts or wrecked VR6 swap car.

      I have plenty of VR6 parts in my garage, I'm 99% sure I can piece together a complete OBD2 swap with the parts in there, along with a set of TT 264/260 VR cams and a few chips.

      PS: Please don't advertise your FS ad in this thread, it isn't meant for that.

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      \\good point

      but i just figured id let my fellow 8v brothers know in case they want an 8v thats in good condition...

      VR swap, eh seems more trouble than its worth...

      maybe if someone sells me a cheap worked 8v head, I'll keep the 8v
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      10-07-2012 09:17 PM #908
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      \\good point

      but i just figured id let my fellow 8v brothers know in case they want an 8v thats in good condition...

      VR swap, eh seems more trouble than its worth...

      maybe if someone sells me a cheap worked 8v head, I'll keep the 8v
      VR6 swaps take like a day. Less, if you work fast. I've had people drop off 8v's on saturday morning and drive off in 12v's on sunday afternoon.

      You want power, and you're looking into spending money on an SRI for 700 bucks..

      You should just go Neuspeed S/C. You can find a good one in the classifieds for 1500. Sometimes even less. I bought mine new for 2500. But hey, it's worth it. You'll go from 110whp(what you have now, probably) to around 145whp with the 2.6 pulley. Neuspeed has dynos showing 135whp @ 6200 RPM on a stock S/C kit. So hey, maybe you'd make even a little more, like 150whp.

      My dd GL probably has around 125whp, and it's not too bad. But I have a SRI.

      Before that, my coupe had 160whp on a TT tune.

      Then my GT with 135whp with an 02A.

      Now, I'm at ~250whp+ with my GT, and loving every second of it. Boost is a very, very good option for the 8v.

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      10-07-2012 09:34 PM #909
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Boost is really the only option for the 8v.
      FTFY.
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      FTFY.
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      10-08-2012 12:28 AM #911
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      VR6 swaps take like a day. Less, if you work fast. I've had people drop off 8v's on saturday morning and drive off in 12v's on sunday afternoon.

      You want power, and you're looking into spending money on an SRI for 700 bucks..

      You should just go Neuspeed S/C. You can find a good one in the classifieds for 1500. Sometimes even less. I bought mine new for 2500. But hey, it's worth it. You'll go from 110whp(what you have now, probably) to around 145whp with the 2.6 pulley. Neuspeed has dynos showing 135whp @ 6200 RPM on a stock S/C kit. So hey, maybe you'd make even a little more, like 150whp.

      My dd GL probably has around 125whp, and it's not too bad. But I have a SRI.

      Before that, my coupe had 160whp on a TT tune.

      Then my GT with 135whp with an 02A.

      Now, I'm at ~250whp+ with my GT, and loving every second of it. Boost is a very, very good option for the 8v.
      I really appreciate your thoughts and suggestions, this is such a great thread! And I do my 8v...

      I've been leaning towards the NS SC for awhile (due to price and the fact that maybe I can get 150whp out of it...)


      At this time Im just going to continue to save money thru the winter, I had just re-registered my car, and am going to get an inspection soon... so there's no real reason to sell it, its been very reliable and good to me (for the most part) and since replacing my PCV or maybe its just the synthetic oil, my gas mileage has been excellent, and no more rev hang with the BFI stg 2 chip!

      Im not ruling out a VR for the future though, but at this time its not really very logical unless it was a "deal too good to be true".
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      10-08-2012 12:04 PM #912
      I'm just going to keep saving money...

      But I'm still desperate for more power, I was even debating a used stock g60 cam (I've read this cam is stronger than the TT260...) and new lifters! (can pick this all up for ~$150)

      just to have a little extra hp/tq thru the winter
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    13. 10-08-2012 12:09 PM #913
      Stock g60 cam ain't gonna do **** over a 260 cam.

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      10-08-2012 12:30 PM #914
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      Stock g60 cam ain't gonna do **** over a 260 cam.
      noted

      you think I should grab a 268/260 cam and new lifters for this winter ?

      especially if I actually do pickup a NS SC in the future....

      I need a little extra power man... thats just how I am, I like to be always modifying
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    15. 10-08-2012 12:37 PM #915
      The 268/260 is the g60 upgrade. Go with that.
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      10-08-2012 12:44 PM #916
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      The 268/260 is the g60 upgrade. Go with that.


      1-3whp more than the 260? or just better powerband with a bit more torque? any benefit of cam gear adjusting with the asymmetrical cam ??
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      10-08-2012 01:38 PM #917
      this will demonstrate my current state of boredom and lack of funds...





      and the beast as it sits, nice n dirty jerzee

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      10-08-2012 04:36 PM #918
      While this probably sounds odd coming from a Corrado guy.... Bahh to superchargers, give me a turbo every time. If you only want a little extra power, pick a small tight trimmed turbo. And the Bahh goes triple to VR6s. Hot running pita to work on...blehh. 4 bangers all the way!
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      10-08-2012 05:24 PM #919
      Quote Originally Posted by Prof315 View Post
      While this probably sounds odd coming from a Corrado guy.... Bahh to superchargers, give me a turbo every time. If you only want a little extra power, pick a small tight trimmed turbo. And the Bahh goes triple to VR6s. Hot running pita to work on...blehh. 4 bangers all the way!
      turbo would be great, its just due to cost, I mean I could try to piece together a custom Kit, and maybe it would wind up costing me ~$1500 but most likely more (decent parts people no ebay kits!)

      The Kinetic kit is a good starter, since everything will fit fairly well and speed up installation.. but its over 2k $
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      10-08-2012 09:28 PM #920
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      The 268/260 is the g60 upgrade. Go with that.
      Why is this cam recommend so much more than the AT270? Is it simply because it doesn't require a spring upgrade?

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      Yuuuuup.

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      10-08-2012 09:38 PM #922
      So i should have a fuel map in my **** tomorrow night. Timing soon after if everything turns green magically.

      I'm kinda hoping to hit the 12.50 index at imports vs. domestics, the weekend of 11/1 and 11/2. I have to wire up a couple relays, and we're likely going to tune stock cam on a 75 shot just to get it going down the track.

      shouldn't hate vr's STOCK motor....cams and all, heavy all motor street car, 13.2
      Stock block, all motor street car, 11.60
      Stock block, turbo car, 9.80

      Show me a 4cyl that does that short of a k series honda....and that's a stretch in most cases. I know it's not all drag racing, but i think it's a decent measuring stick.
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      10-08-2012 10:38 PM #923
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      I'm just going to keep saving money...

      But I'm still desperate for more power, I was even debating a used stock g60 cam (I've read this cam is stronger than the TT260...) and new lifters! (can pick this all up for ~$150)

      just to have a little extra hp/tq thru the winter
      Stock G60 cam isn't very good compared to the TT 260. The original 260/256 Autotech cam is an upgrade over the stock G60 cam.

      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      you think I should grab a 268/260 cam and new lifters for this winter ?

      especially if I actually do pickup a NS SC in the future....
      Why bother? Just save up for the Neuspeed kit. Get the S/C kit first before the cam. Really, the Neuspeed kits are so easy to install, you can swap out a cam later down the road. TT 260 is good for boost.

      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      The 268/260 is the g60 upgrade. Go with that.
      Wasn't the 260/256 the g60 upgrade first? Curious.

      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post


      1-3whp more than the 260? or just better powerband with a bit more torque? any benefit of cam gear adjusting with the asymmetrical cam ??
      Why bother? It's not worth 200 dollars for a cam and 80 for lifters for ~2-5whp.

      Quote Originally Posted by Fast VW View Post
      Why is this cam recommend so much more than the AT270? Is it simply because it doesn't require a spring upgrade?
      Preeettty much.

      Quote Originally Posted by root beer View Post
      So i should have a fuel map in my **** tomorrow night. Timing soon after if everything turns green magically.

      I'm kinda hoping to hit the 12.50 index at imports vs. domestics, the weekend of 11/1 and 11/2. I have to wire up a couple relays, and we're likely going to tune stock cam on a 75 shot just to get it going down the track.

      shouldn't hate vr's STOCK motor....cams and all, heavy all motor street car, 13.2
      Stock block, all motor street car, 11.60
      Stock block, turbo car, 9.80

      Show me a 4cyl that does that short of a k series honda....and that's a stretch in most cases. I know it's not all drag racing, but i think it's a decent measuring stick.
      Awesome.

      VR6's are quite amazing engines, I love them. I have one in my A2 coupe, and I enjoy driving it aggressively. It's quite fast and with my suspension set up it handles pretty well. It just sticks on turn in. Feels great. VR6s =
      I'm considering a 24v swap in my A2. How difficult is this? Could you send me a PM with some info, Tim? I'd really appreciate it.

      ~Colm

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      10-09-2012 09:50 AM #924
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post

      Stock G60 cam isn't very good compared to the TT 260. The original 260/256 Autotech cam is an upgrade over the stock G60 cam.
      I don't think so, I've seen this posted on vortex before:
      270 > 268/260 > G60 > 260 > STOCK


      isn't the 260/256 AT cam is like that Neuspeed SC cam upgrade , read TOTALLY NOT WORTH IT.



      Thanks for all the advice, I guess I have to just keep saving up $...
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      10-09-2012 09:51 AM #925
      Quote Originally Posted by root beer View Post

      shouldn't hate vr's STOCK motor....cams and all, heavy all motor street car, 13.2
      Stock block, all motor street car, 11.60
      Stock block, turbo car, 9.80

      Show me a 4cyl that does that short of a k series honda....and that's a stretch in most cases. I know it's not all drag racing, but i think it's a decent measuring stick.

      too true
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