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      06-10-2012 05:04 PM #386
      yeh and run a different chip, but iv herd the NS chip is pretty poor anyhow...
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      06-10-2012 06:28 PM #387
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      yeh and run a different chip, but iv herd the NS chip is pretty poor anyhow...
      Yeah, from what I've read Neuspeed uses their generic "P-CHIP" for everything, including the S/C kit. For the Neuspeed charger, I recommend buying 30lb injectors, the 70mm maf, and the C2 software. More power. Better tune over all.

      Trying to get wider tires for my 8v. The 195/50/15's I run are spinning like crazy until 3rd gear. I may look into some 16x8 rims (BBS RS or enkei 92's).. I should be able to fit 225's on those, right? Anyone have any ideas? I already have LSD and I'm spinning like crazy. I suppose the wider tires will help. I wish I could run a boost by speed function like AEM's EMS offers, but.. I'm not too good at wiring, and I think that's a turbo only thing.

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      06-10-2012 09:35 PM #388
      Colm I got all the gaskets and a T belt kit! It will all be here tomorrow, so if you can help that will be great. Your phone is off so i guess you're busy!

      If you want 16" x8" get some of those snowflake replicas!!
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      06-11-2012 03:53 PM #389
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Yeah, from what I've read Neuspeed uses their generic "P-CHIP" for everything, including the S/C kit. For the Neuspeed charger, I recommend buying 30lb injectors, the 70mm maf, and the C2 software. More power. Better tune over all.

      Trying to get wider tires for my 8v. The 195/50/15's I run are spinning like crazy until 3rd gear. I may look into some 16x8 rims (BBS RS or enkei 92's).. I should be able to fit 225's on those, right? Anyone have any ideas? I already have LSD and I'm spinning like crazy. I suppose the wider tires will help. I wish I could run a boost by speed function like AEM's EMS offers, but.. I'm not too good at wiring, and I think that's a turbo only thing.
      are you sure? Can I run the NS SC with my BFI stg2 chip?
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      06-11-2012 03:55 PM #390
      I assumed the PSI would affect it... like affect the vacuum pressure? so the chip was designed to handle that, at least thats how it is on Hondas, but you also run check valves on those...
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      06-12-2012 12:40 PM #391
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      I assumed the PSI would affect it... like affect the vacuum pressure? so the chip was designed to handle that, at least thats how it is on Hondas, but you also run check valves on those...
      I'm pretty sure Neuspeed uses their P-chip for everything.

    7. 06-12-2012 01:00 PM #392
      On a stock MKIV. Same difference.

      Stoic till 4700rpms. No thanks.


    8. 06-12-2012 01:02 PM #393
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      are you sure? Can I run the NS SC with my BFI stg2 chip?
      To be honest, I bet the AFR wouldnt be half bad....but the ignition is WAY to hot.

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      06-12-2012 01:41 PM #394
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      To be honest, I bet the AFR wouldnt be half bad....but the ignition is WAY to hot.


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    10. 06-12-2012 01:47 PM #395
      More like a head gasket spacer and copious amounts of water/meth injection! lol

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      06-12-2012 01:56 PM #396
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      More like a head gasket spacer and copious amounts of water/meth injection! lol
      yeh all for what a few extra horses?
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      06-12-2012 04:35 PM #397
      I think the Neuspeed charger is great. It's just a shame you have to hack it up to get any sort of intercooler to work. They run REALLY good on C2's boost chip with 30# injectors and a big MAF (70mm?).

      A friend has one in his MK1 SportTruck. I'm pretty sure he runs an Autotech 260/256 cam, and that's about all for extras (beside the c2 tune), but it puts down around 150 or 155whp (so he claims..). It's fast, but hell, it's a MK1. They weigh next to nothing.. With the 4y trans he uses the thing is a rocket.

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      06-12-2012 05:03 PM #398
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      I think the Neuspeed charger is great. It's just a shame you have to hack it up to get any sort of intercooler to work. They run REALLY good on C2's boost chip with 30# injectors and a big MAF (70mm?).

      A friend has one in his MK1 SportTruck. I'm pretty sure he runs an Autotech 260/256 cam, and that's about all for extras (beside the c2 tune), but it puts down around 150 or 155whp (so he claims..). It's fast, but hell, it's a MK1. They weigh next to nothing.. With the 4y trans he uses the thing is a rocket.

      sick, yeh still not sure what Im going to do, it always depends so much on $$$, but a NS SC and the C2 software wtih a 268 cam is my plan...

      but if Im going to stay NA, im going to build a real ****ing head for it... but like I stated $$$
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      06-12-2012 05:06 PM #399
      so far Ive shaved off some weight by running a header and a lightweight battery, about 27 pounds so far, the 42dd hi flow is probably lighter than the stock cat too... some lightweight wheels and AC delete down the line!
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      06-12-2012 05:21 PM #400
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      so far Ive shaved off some weight by running a header and a lightweight battery, about 27 pounds so far, the 42dd hi flow is probably lighter than the stock cat too... some lightweight wheels and AC delete down the line!
      Shaving weight off a MK3 is rootbeer's specialty, I'd ask him for advice about the weight part of things.

      The MK3 Jetta is pretty light for what it is. 4 doors, 5 passengers (comfortably!) A/C, power everything and a HUGE trunk for ~2700 lbs? Not bad at all!

      Personally, I don't bother with the weight aspects of MK3's. I mean.. sure, if it was my track car I'd look into it. But for a daily? Nah.. If anything, I'm adding weight with all my suspension/looks nonsense..

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      06-12-2012 05:31 PM #401
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Shaving weight off a MK3 is rootbeer's specialty, I'd ask him for advice about the weight part of things.

      The MK3 Jetta is pretty light for what it is. 4 doors, 5 passengers (comfortably!) A/C, power everything and a HUGE trunk for ~2700 lbs? Not bad at all!

      Personally, I don't bother with the weight aspects of MK3's. I mean.. sure, if it was my track car I'd look into it. But for a daily? Nah.. If anything, I'm adding weight with all my suspension/looks nonsense..
      true, yeh I believe the 97 GT Jetta curb weight is 2,650

      Well I haven't pulled the AC yet, but considering how it doesn't work very well...
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      06-12-2012 05:55 PM #402
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      true, yeh I believe the 97 GT Jetta curb weight is 2,650

      Well I haven't pulled the AC yet, but considering how it doesn't work very well...

      2650 sounds about right, but the GT has those heavy 4 spoke star wheels (not flyers), don't they? Ugh. And they usually didn't come with A/C, I think the GT was sort of between the GL and GLS in trim.. Had a spoiler, side skirts, different fabric seats, etc..

      My A/C works amazingly well on my daily.. Ice cold.

      I've only ran into a handful of MK3's that have a bad A/C system.. VW did a good job designing it, I think.

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      06-12-2012 06:03 PM #403
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      2650 sounds about right, but the GT has those heavy 4 spoke star wheels (not flyers), don't they? Ugh. And they usually didn't come with A/C, I think the GT was sort of between the GL and GLS in trim.. Had a spoiler, side skirts, different fabric seats, etc..

      My A/C works amazingly well on my daily.. Ice cold.

      I've only ran into a handful of MK3's that have a bad A/C system.. VW did a good job designing it, I think.
      pretty sure the GT has AC, mine does at least, it has sport seats, sideskirts (Oh I removed those too!), spoiler, roll down windows, the antenna is mounted on the roof like an RC car.... etc.
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      06-12-2012 08:58 PM #404
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      pretty sure the GT has AC, mine does at least, it has sport seats, sideskirts (Oh I removed those too!), spoiler, roll down windows, the antenna is mounted on the roof like an RC car.... etc.
      I talked to an old (he's 60) friend who worked in VW dealers in the 1990's.

      He said "The GT is a trim package, just a bogus "sport" jetta. Some additional special features.. are Fog lights, Silver cluster with orange needles"party" seats (or rare leather GT seats!), GLX tails, alloy rims, rear decklid spoiler, side skirts from a GTI/GLX, certain paint colors only available on the GT, but the engine/suspension is all the same as a GL (some had 4 wheel disk brakes though!) A/C was optional, and so was ABS. Most didn't have sunroofs. Some had 6 cd changers."



      GT is my favorite trim level next to late Wolfsburg/K2 (for a 2.0, I mean)

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      In all reality the 4cyl gti is just a bogus golf sport too

      Seats ,shifter,fogs,tails. But no real performance advantage over a golf gl
      Probably heavier due to the sunroof and premium audio

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      06-13-2012 12:04 PM #406
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      I talked to an old (he's 60) friend who worked in VW dealers in the 1990's.

      He said "The GT is a trim package, just a bogus "sport" jetta. Some additional special features.. are Fog lights, Silver cluster with orange needles"party" seats (or rare leather GT seats!), GLX tails, alloy rims, rear decklid spoiler, side skirts from a GTI/GLX, certain paint colors only available on the GT, but the engine/suspension is all the same as a GL (some had 4 wheel disk brakes though!) A/C was optional, and so was ABS. Most didn't have sunroofs. Some had 6 cd changers."



      GT is my favorite trim level next to late Wolfsburg/K2 (for a 2.0, I mean)
      yeh, I hear you man, i mainly sought out a GT due to roll down windows, fog lights, and the sport seats... mine never had the sideskirts on there, just the attachers; which I removed and sold off...

      and yeh they all have the same underpowered slightly torquey 2.0, which is the whole point of this thread (how to BEEF it up!) obviously there are differences with the obd1 vs obd2 ABA's but at this point I hope we all know about that!
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      06-13-2012 12:32 PM #407
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      yeh, I hear you man, i mainly sought out a GT due to roll down windows, fog lights, and the sport seats... mine never had the sideskirts on there, just the attachers; which I removed and sold off...

      and yeh they all have the same underpowered slightly torquey 2.0, which is the whole point of this thread (how to BEEF it up!) obviously there are differences with the obd1 vs obd2 ABA's but at this point I hope we all know about that!
      Yeah, I only got my GT because it was given to me as part of a trade for my old Supra.
      I have all power windows, though.. The weight isn't really much of a difference, believe it or not!

      The rare Brazilian/German cars that came stock with the 268* 440" lift cam are actually much faster than the American cars. The Stock 0-60 of a Jetta/Golf is around 8.5-10 seconds here.. But I found a video of a all stock 2.0 8v GTI doing 0-100km/h in 7 seconds.. I'll try to find it. Ah, here it is!


    23. 06-13-2012 12:40 PM #408
      Golf/Jettas came stock with a 268? That's news to me.

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      06-13-2012 12:53 PM #409
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      Golf/Jettas came stock with a 268? That's news to me.
      Yeah, I guess that's where TT gets their 268* cam.. VW sells them, I guess. I'm trying to find the article that says the cam specs of the certain cars that had them overseas. I'm pretty sure it was GTI's and higher end models with the 2.0 (not crossflow head).

    25. 06-13-2012 12:59 PM #410
      The 268 was put in the South American Sport model Foxes. Helped raise the power from the 1.6L from 86hp to 101hp.

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      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      The 268 was put in the South American Sport model Foxes. Helped raise the power from the 1.6L from 86hp to 101hp.
      Wow, really? That's a huge jump for such a tiny engine. The stock cam must have been tiny.. That must have been a fun Fox. North America got ripped off. We never got any of the "good" models.

    27. 06-13-2012 06:06 PM #412
      Not true. The fox is a friggin sleeper. We got them, but only the 86hp cars. But simply replacing the manifold to dp gasket with one from an Audi bubble block, it opens up the exhaust. The gasket chokes the exhaust by like a half inch. Those cars can take aba's and 16v's like a champ.



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      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Yeah, I only got my GT because it was given to me as part of a trade for my old Supra.
      I have all power windows, though.. The weight isn't really much of a difference, believe it or not!

      The rare Brazilian/German cars that came stock with the 268* 440" lift cam are actually much faster than the American cars. The Stock 0-60 of a Jetta/Golf is around 8.5-10 seconds here.. But I found a video of a all stock 2.0 8v GTI doing 0-100km/h in 7 seconds.. I'll try to find it. Ah, here it is!

      it goes good, we need more videos like this, even the vids i took with my 260 cam i gotta stabilize the camera more...
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      heres my old runs, this is before the header... so just tt 260 cam and exhaust and BFI stg2 chip
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      06-13-2012 09:24 PM #415
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      Not true. The fox is a friggin sleeper. We got them, but only the 86hp cars. But simply replacing the manifold to dp gasket with one from an Audi bubble block, it opens up the exhaust. The gasket chokes the exhaust by like a half inch. Those cars can take aba's and 16v's like a champ.


      Oh, I know we got them. Just got screwed on the model line up and didn't get any really special ones. My friend had a ABA swap. He said finding exhaust that was bigger than 2" OD is tough! I guess the stock size is like 1.75 or smaller. And not gasket matching is a problematic situation sometimes, I guess. Maybe they had to take it easy on the trans because it is such a weird set up? I'm not sure.

    31. 06-14-2012 09:03 AM #416
      not very good in-cars, I'm afraid.



      Last edited by 911_fan; 06-14-2012 at 09:07 AM.

    32. 06-14-2012 10:41 AM #417
      Your idle is pretty quiet in that first vid...what cam were you running then?

    33. 06-14-2012 11:02 AM #418
      It only seemed quiet because it was a resonated TT/Borla exhaust. The SRI noise messed with the camera mic and sorta drowned out the lower noise levels. (the video was to record the intake noise anyways, not show 0-60 speeds) I think I was running the ESS 264* back then on a stock OBDII head. TT chip. 1st or 2nd HKK SRI. This is what the exhaust was at the time (cold start)...


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      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      not very good in-cars, I'm afraid.



      very nice T, the SRI always sounds sooo good
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      06-14-2012 01:50 PM #420
      here's two of my favs, not in a mk3 tho...



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