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    Thread: How to build a relatively inexpensive, reliable, 'powerful' 2.0 8v.

    1. 07-16-2012 05:04 PM #526
      Not sure where you got that mkiv source, but it has the same power as a MKIII, just at different rpms.



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      07-16-2012 06:32 PM #527
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      Not sure where you got that mkiv source, but it has the same power as a MKIII, just at different rpms.



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      It was on wikipedia and several other "cars" websites.. I'm not sure if VW just estimated, or if it really made more power. The MK4 intake has been proven to make more HP on a ABA, maybe it did good for the MK4 AEG too?

      I'm not sure, I could be wrong..

      But does the MK6 have VVT? I know the late MK4 cars introduced it, but I'm not entirely sure about the MK6. Doesn't the MK6 have a variable intake manifold? Like an integra GSR - Butterfly valve opens at certain RPM to allow more air in? I think I read about some VW 1.6l that did that, too.

    3. 07-16-2012 06:49 PM #528
      The 2.0 is 115hp/123tq across the boards. Power is made at different rpms. The VVT is only for cold starts, but im betting it can be tuned like the 1.8ts, though with a stock cam, it's little to no difference.


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      07-16-2012 08:56 PM #529
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      The 2.0 is 115hp/123tq across the boards. Power is made at different rpms. The VVT is only for cold starts, but im betting it can be tuned like the 1.8ts, though with a stock cam, it's little to no difference.


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      Ahh. Okay. What do you think the MK3 ABA gets it's power gains from the MK4 for? Does the MK3 head flow air better than the MK4 head? It's odd to have 3 different engine variations and have no HP/TQ gain, especially with all the new things on the MK6. I dunno.. Seems weird. Maybe VW is guesstimating?

      I'm flying out to AZ to buy a Corrado G60 for my 2.0 8v swap! It's going to be neuspeed S/C'd with the 2.0 with my 268/260 and a C2 tune, most likely.. Unless I decide to use a Autotech 270*.

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    5. 07-17-2012 07:55 AM #530
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...V-engine-specs

      The manifold design just moves the peak torque around.

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      07-18-2012 12:53 PM #531
      bump for the forum.


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      07-18-2012 04:28 PM #532
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      I mean, I hate to whip out the "I'm awesome" card, but, really.

      OH MY GOD I AM SOOOOO SORRY! I didn't realize who you were! A true legend!

    8. 07-18-2012 06:27 PM #533
      Damn right, Skippy.


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    9. 07-19-2012 07:17 AM #534
      Little information about the MK3 intake vs. MK4 intakes - back to back dyno runs I had done to test the various intake manifolds on a lightly modified ABA. Strange to see VW make the 8 valve 2.0 for so many years without increasing power output. Anyone know if fuel economy has increase during that time?
      mk4 intake is really only noticeably better HP wise when its ported. I don't think out dyno plots showed torque levels.

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      07-19-2012 12:17 PM #535
      Quote Originally Posted by ny_fam View Post
      Little information about the MK3 intake vs. MK4 intakes - back to back dyno runs I had done to test the various intake manifolds on a lightly modified ABA. Strange to see VW make the 8 valve 2.0 for so many years without increasing power output. Anyone know if fuel economy has increase during that time?
      mk4 intake is really only noticeably better HP wise when its ported. I don't think out dyno plots showed torque levels.
      Hey! I recognise those charts and graphs.
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      07-19-2012 03:45 PM #537
      lately I've been thinking about 11 to 1 compression and a supercharger with C2 software...
      PLZ buy my Mk3 and take from it what you need $1000 or best offer!
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      07-19-2012 04:22 PM #538
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      lately I've been thinking about 11 to 1 compression and a supercharger with C2 software...
      Better keep really good gas in it.
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      07-19-2012 04:25 PM #539
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      Ahh makes me miss my blue 90 Rado...... That car was the test mule from hell. Intakes, MS3, MS3X, 20/20T with a stock ABA bottom end (no piston notching). I had a lot of fun with that car, worst part is, the dyno is gone too!
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      07-19-2012 08:39 PM #540
      Quote Originally Posted by Prof315 View Post
      Ahh makes me miss my blue 90 Rado...... That car was the test mule from hell. Intakes, MS3, MS3X, 20/20T with a stock ABA bottom end (no piston notching). I had a lot of fun with that car, worst part is, the dyno is gone too!

      I just picked up a 1990 Corrado, but it isn't blue. It's white.

      It's going to be a 2.0 ABA when it's finished!
      Picked up a 98 Jetta Wolfsburg with a blown trans, a haaard rear hit, and some dents and bad rust, for 400 dollars.. But, it only has 75k miles! I sold the rims that were on it for 200, and I am parting out the rest. All I need is the engine/ecu/wiring, the corrado drivetrain is staying. After I'm done selling the mint interior and the non-damaged panels, I'm sure I'll be + a few hundred than what I started off with.

      I wonder if VW will ever dump the ABA engine. Will it be used in the MK7's? I mean.. come on. They're too slow. I can't imagine how bad they must accelerate. Even the MK4 Golf 2.0 I just sold was BARELY able to reach 60 MPH by the on-ramp, can't imagine how much slower a heavier car would accelerate.

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      07-20-2012 05:39 AM #541
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post

      I just picked up a 1990 Corrado, but it isn't blue. It's white.

      It's going to be a 2.0 ABA when it's finished!
      Picked up a 98 Jetta Wolfsburg with a blown trans, a haaard rear hit, and some dents and bad rust, for 400 dollars.. But, it only has 75k miles! I sold the rims that were on it for 200, and I am parting out the rest. All I need is the engine/ecu/wiring, the corrado drivetrain is staying. After I'm done selling the mint interior and the non-damaged panels, I'm sure I'll be + a few hundred than what I started off with.

      I wonder if VW will ever dump the ABA engine. Will it be used in the MK7's? I mean.. come on. They're too slow. I can't imagine how bad they must accelerate. Even the MK4 Golf 2.0 I just sold was BARELY able to reach 60 MPH by the on-ramp, can't imagine how much slower a heavier car would accelerate.
      I bought a 92 SLC to replace the 90. Non-running of course and the first thing I did was pull the VR6. It's going to start out with an ABA but on MS3, I've been doing a hardcore rewire/clean up on everything forward of the firewall but the powertrain should be going in tomorrow. I'll still have a TON of wiring left but I wanted to do this one right from the start. Eventually the ABA will come out and the 20/20 will go back in but not until I rebuild the 20/20 with forged piston and good rods and receive my 7 month backordered EFR 6258 turbo.
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      07-20-2012 05:32 PM #542
      Looked at the MK7 line-up thing, and there is no more 2.0 8v! 2.5l = new base engine

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      07-20-2012 11:04 PM #543
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Looked at the MK7 line-up thing, and there is no more 2.0 8v! 2.5l = new base engine
      I was just reading in the 2.5l technical forum that the 2.5l will no longer be made. VW recently announced it will be abandoning it and going back to a turbocharged 1.8l to yield improved gas mileage and increased torque

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      07-21-2012 01:38 PM #544
      Quote Originally Posted by Prof315 View Post
      Better keep really good gas in it.
      you think it could be okay with 93/94 octane...?

      maybe better I do 10.5 to 1 CR
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      07-21-2012 09:03 PM #545
      Quote Originally Posted by 02vwgolf View Post
      I was just reading in the 2.5l technical forum that the 2.5l will no longer be made. VW recently announced it will be abandoning it and going back to a turbocharged 1.8l to yield improved gas mileage and increased torque
      Dang, really? I thought it was 1.8T, 2.5, 2.0tdi and 2.0T.. I can see the MK4 kids going OMG MK7 ON AIR AND RS' WIT A 1.8T NEVER LOSES!

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      07-21-2012 09:05 PM #546
      Quote Originally Posted by vacuumnoise View Post
      you think it could be okay with 93/94 octane...?

      maybe better I do 10.5 to 1 CR
      ..That's a LOT of compression for a S/C set up.

    21. 07-21-2012 09:18 PM #547
      *cough*water meth injection*cough*

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      07-22-2012 06:33 AM #548
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      *cough*water meth injection*cough*
      Agreed that would work, however you'd have to ALWAYS keep the tank full.
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      07-22-2012 06:45 AM #549
      Supercharged 10:5:1 with a proper w/m system would be a great combination, just need to be smart and keep w/m levels in mind while driving it hard

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      07-22-2012 02:15 PM #550
      hmm i just haven't seen a high compression setup with a NS SC... I was thinking with the good C2 software it would be okay...

      mill the head and do some headwork too...
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