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    Thread: How to build a relatively inexpensive, reliable, 'powerful' 2.0 8v.

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      04-19-2012 11:36 PM #211
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      Colm my car isn't running right! The chip you put in for me works good though! I don't know what happened! It was doing really good, the car felt faster with the new chip, it revs off the RPM gauge past the 7!!! and was driving really well. Today I got in it to drive to class and it kept bucking at like 2k rpms!!! It stalled once too in traffic! and when I push the clutch in, sometimes the revs don't go down all the way to idle.. they go to like 1600 and climb a little bit! WTH? The only thing I did since you put the chip in for me was change to a Jetta front end. Would that have something to do with this? I lost your telephone number, and I can't remember your address. Can you call me please? Thanks!!!

      PS: Say hi to your wifey and daughters for me!!
      I'll be over at 10am tomorrow with a different chip.

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      04-20-2012 06:19 PM #212
      Anyone else notice C2 chips are on sale for 150? Well, I've told you.. so..

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      04-20-2012 09:54 PM #213
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      I'll be over at 10am tomorrow with a different chip.
      Thanks so much for your help Colm!!! I'll pay you back for the chip asap.
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      04-20-2012 09:55 PM #214
      Hi guys!
      As some of you might know I have a OBD2 Golf with a 2.0 with a Neuspeed P-Flo intake (with the heatshield!), a 260 TT camshaft, a 2.25" exhaust system, and a giac chip for aftermarket camshafts..

      Now, I hear mixed opinions about the intake.

      Some people say i should put the stock airbox back in. Some say I should buy a KN filter in the box. Some say I should cut holes in the bottom passenger side of the box. Some say I should keep the P-Flo! I'm really confused. Can anyone give me a definite answer with proof of dyno gains, please? thank you!!
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      04-21-2012 05:12 PM #215
      Quote Originally Posted by OC80 View Post
      Hi guys!
      As some of you might know I have a OBD2 Golf with a 2.0 with a Neuspeed P-Flo intake (with the heatshield!), a 260 TT camshaft, a 2.25" exhaust system, and a giac chip for aftermarket camshafts..

      Now, I hear mixed opinions about the intake.

      Some people say i should put the stock airbox back in. Some say I should buy a KN filter in the box. Some say I should cut holes in the bottom passenger side of the box. Some say I should keep the P-Flo! I'm really confused. Can anyone give me a definite answer with proof of dyno gains, please? thank you!!
      Just keep the P-flow, it's marginally better than the stock airbox, and it sounds better.

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      04-21-2012 09:10 PM #216
      Hey, guys. I spent the afternoon with OC80 - we designed an airbox together. It integrates ram-air (Via a velocity stack behind the lower bumper opening sealed to 3" ducting straight to the bottom of the airbox) and switched the little air intake elbow that goes into the fender on the front of the airbox for 3" ducting with a velocity stack inside of the fender. It has a K&N panel filter. Does it make more power than stock? Maybe. Does it look cool? Hell yeah! I'm going to put a mesh backing infront of the duct, just so no leaves get sucked up in there. It looks good, if you ask me. This golf sport of mine is just basically a try-new-things car. Hell, I have a 70mm exhaust on it with a VIBRANT muffler on the end, which actually sounds good. Here are the pics from during the install:

      Edit: pictures don't work. FU camera. FU.
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      04-23-2012 02:12 PM #217
      bump for the forum

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      04-24-2012 05:58 PM #218
      I'm trying to put together a transmission area.

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      04-24-2012 06:34 PM #219
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      I'm trying to put together a transmission area.
      what are the ratios of your 6 speed in your black jetta? Do you think I should swap a corrado transmission into my car? Would you be able to help with that?

      your phone is off.

      oh and i have first dibs on your gti?
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      04-24-2012 07:44 PM #220
      Quote Originally Posted by OC80 View Post
      what are the ratios of your 6 speed in your black jetta? Do you think I should swap a corrado transmission into my car? Would you be able to help with that?

      your phone is off.

      oh and i have first dibs on your gti?
      The ratios are:
      3.3
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      @ 7k I'm going
      1st - 35
      2nd - 60
      3rd - 90
      4th - 110
      5th - 130
      6th - never tried to top it out.. I cruise at 3000 RPM @ 70mph.

      If you swap a corrado g60 transmission into your car, it'll be able to put up with more abuse. Personally I like the cable shift linkage better than the 020 rod shift. If you really want to do it, I can help you. I'm selling the GTI as soon as I finish fixing the little bugs. If you want it, you can have it. Call me (phone's on now!), I don't want to clutter up the thread.

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      04-26-2012 11:31 PM #221
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    12. 04-27-2012 11:16 PM #222
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Also -
      has anyone run a Autotech or Neuspeed chip and actually GAINED good power with a cam upgrade? I have heard negative things about the Neuspeed one, and same with the Autotech one. I had a friend with an ABA and the autotech chip just sucked gas down.. Switched to a tt chip and he got better power, response, and far better MPG.

      ~Colm

      If I tell you why the Nuespeed and Autotech chips are completely worthless, I'm just gonna have TDAWG jump all over me posting his misinformation again like last time.

      Pull the ROM off them and see for yourself why they suck. Hint: They change ONE table. That's it.

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      04-27-2012 11:59 PM #223
      Quote Originally Posted by JohnStamos View Post
      If I tell you why the Nuespeed and Autotech chips are completely worthless, I'm just gonna have TDAWG jump all over me posting his misinformation again like last time.

      Pull the ROM off them and see for yourself why they suck. Hint: They change ONE table. That's it.
      No no, I realize the Neuspeed and autotech chips aren't the best. I had a friend run both in his ABA rabbit. Minimal power gains, and they sucked down gas like you would(n't) believe.

      I really hate how autotech's chip says "gains the ability to rev faster to the new 6900 rpm redline". I mean, seriously? A non cammed aba revving to nearly 7k?! Sounds like a recipe for disaster!

      The Neuspeed chip is a little better IMO. But I hate how neuspeed lies about their products (well, they sort of post a generic hp gain, "gain 5-8whp!" for their P-flo intake systems. Even for the Jetta 2.0. I mean.. come on. That kind of upsets me, as I love Neuspeed for their suspension components.

      As I state all the time, TT is my favorite chip. The cam file is slightly different than the non-cam file. I saw the dyno on TT's website, I think. It advances the timing a little more, gives it more gas, balances the idle, etc.

      The C2 chips are sort of problematic. They are probably the newest chip tune on the market for the ABA, but tons of people are coming forward with problems with bucking at low RPM, stalling in the cold, throwing check engine lights, etc.
      The Stage 1 chip for no cam raises the limiter to 7300 RPM. Useless. It's crazy. I ran a C2 chip in a few cars. 2/3 ABA's with it had a problem.

      I have one in my Golf VR6, and I have no problems at all (race file chip, SAI delete plug, 268's, HD valve springs, MK4 HG, intake, and 3" exhaust).. and I have 0 problems. Never. None. I guess something is wrong with the coding in the ABA C2 chips.

      All in all, my favorite company for VW performance parts = TT for engine mods, Neuspeed for suspension (because they stock KONI), GIAC, C2, BBM, etc. I have lots of favorites. Lol.

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      04-28-2012 07:50 PM #224
      Here's a picture of an INJEN intake system installed in a MK3. Quite nifty IMO.

    15. 04-28-2012 09:14 PM #225
      Quote Originally Posted by JohnStamos View Post
      If I tell you why the Nuespeed and Autotech chips are completely worthless, I'm just gonna have TDAWG jump all over me posting his misinformation again like last time.

      Pull the ROM off them and see for yourself why they suck. Hint: They change ONE table. That's it.
      I love spreading misinformation. I wish I knew as much as JohnStamos does.

      /sarcasm

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      04-28-2012 09:32 PM #226
      That injen setup looks nice and all.. but it looks like an exact copy of the stock setup.. all except for the fact the the stock box already has kind of a velocity stack into the MAF, from the looks of it, that's just plane plate aluminum in there.
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      04-28-2012 10:12 PM #227
      Quote Originally Posted by AJmustDIE View Post
      That injen setup looks nice and all.. but it looks like an exact copy of the stock setup.. all except for the fact the the stock box already has kind of a velocity stack into the MAF, from the looks of it, that's just plane plate aluminum in there.
      It's a conical filter inside of that aluminum box. It's bigger, too. It's a really nice set up, because a cone filter on the end of the maf with no way to get more air robs power. This keeps the factory air intake lower box, has more of a surface area than the stock filter, provides nice cold air from the fender, etc. It's a great stealthy modification if you paint it black. But, you can pretty much make your own injen intake by shaving down the outside of the stock airbox where the maf bolts on, so you have the lip of the maf sticking into the airbox. Then you get a cone filter and bolt it up. CAI. It's a good intake system IMO.

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      04-29-2012 07:36 PM #228
      Anyone know anything about KENT cams? They have HUGE amounts of lift. The 260* cam has a 440 lift..

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      04-30-2012 07:24 PM #229
      Anyone know anything about UnitedMotorsport's N/A stage 1 chip?
      From their website:
      'Increased horsepower and torque
      Speed limiter removed
      Smoother idle
      Smoother under partial throttle conditions
      Improved engine response
      Optimized power delivery
      Working Immobilizer
      Fuel Octane-indifferent performance map
      Improved fuel economy'
      N/A Stage 1

      "Typical gains of 15 whp over OEM

      Actual customer dynos :125 whp

      Supported ECUs: 021 906 259X

      Price: $199"
      ...15 WHP over OEM? I'm calling BS.

    20. 04-30-2012 08:57 PM #230
      No different than the C2/PEM, IMHO.

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      04-30-2012 09:40 PM #231
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      No different than the C2/PEM, IMHO.
      Isn't it a break off of C2? I don't really believe 15 WHP. I mean, that's serious stuff. I don't think taking my chip out of my car for the OEM one would put me down to 120whp. And they're advertising it as stage one - not cam specific. How would you even go about gaining 15 more wheel horsepower without changing the cam? It just seems they're stretching the truth for marketing purposes. But to me, C2 does the same thing. Hell, all aftermarket companies do.

    22. 04-30-2012 09:41 PM #232
      Yup, bs.

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      05-01-2012 07:04 PM #233
      Quote Originally Posted by 911_fan View Post
      Yup, bs.
      Do you happen to know if the C2 chip issues are squashed yet? I want to buy a C2 chip for mine if they're resolved, especially since they dropped their price . The TT chip I have in it now is starting to act up. Rev hang when I push the clutch in (I've noticed this with nearly every chip), the throttle feels a little off..

      Bah.

      My VR6 runs 100% better than the stock chip with the C2, and has 0 problems, and I expected it to. It doesn't even have it's Check Engine light on and it has Intake, Exhaust, Cam, HG, Etc.. I wish C2 could squash this problem.

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      05-01-2012 10:26 PM #234
      I'm going to add a SRI/LRI section, since so many companies make manifolds for the ABA, and they offer substantial power gains. When I put my USRT manifold on my Race Coupe, it was a competely different car. So much more response. More power (LOADS). Awesome vacuum sound. So versatile. USRT =

      Speaking of USRT, does anyone have a USRT smartshift kit installed in their MK3? If so, can you post a video of going through the gears at a stop, and wiggling the shift selector while in gear to see how much play it eliminates? I don't have a rod shift car anymore - And only had my USRT kit sitting on a shelf. Thinking of giving it to my little brother for his 16th birthday. Oh, and he's already off to a good start. I bought him a 97 Jetta Wolfsburg. I think I'll use it as my DIY-thread-car-thing, since my Jetta has everything done already except for a better tune (waiting for C2 chip problems to go away!)

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      05-02-2012 09:41 PM #235
      I apologize for the lack of updates, I have been busy with work and my family.. Looking to do a few DIY threads soon.

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      For the forum





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      Jessi (oc80) noticed that USRT sells high performance panel filters for 25 bucks! I'll add some more information tomorrow, guys.



      This calls for a:


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      05-06-2012 05:16 PM #239
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      I'm going to add a SRI/LRI section, since so many companies make manifolds for the ABA, and they offer substantial power gains. When I put my USRT manifold on my Race Coupe, it was a competely different car. So much more response. More power (LOADS). Awesome vacuum sound. So versatile. USRT =

      Speaking of USRT, does anyone have a USRT smartshift kit installed in their MK3? If so, can you post a video of going through the gears at a stop, and wiggling the shift selector while in gear to see how much play it eliminates? I don't have a rod shift car anymore - And only had my USRT kit sitting on a shelf. Thinking of giving it to my little brother for his 16th birthday. Oh, and he's already off to a good start. I bought him a 97 Jetta Wolfsburg. I think I'll use it as my DIY-thread-car-thing, since my Jetta has everything done already except for a better tune (waiting for C2 chip problems to go away!)

      ~Colm
      The best way top describe the USRT shift kit is like going from a MK3 to a Mini Cooper SC. The shifting motion is more heavier compared to factory and in my case it made me learn were the speed are because unlike the factory one that lets you kinda cheat into a speed with the USRT there is no slack on the stick so you have to know were the gear is. The difference is like dating a 4 and going out with a definite 10 and giving you permission to do with her all the things you wanted to do ....

      Make sure to also install it with a quick shifter.

      I could make a video of mine but since my car is currently dismantled and on it's way to go from 020 to hydro I can't. But the USRT shifter is all good. Also don't skimp on the lube for the bearings. Other than that just re-lube them with every other oil change.

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      05-06-2012 09:54 PM #240
      Quote Originally Posted by Old Windy View Post
      The best way top describe the USRT shift kit is like going from a MK3 to a Mini Cooper SC. The shifting motion is more heavier compared to factory and in my case it made me learn were the speed are because unlike the factory one that lets you kinda cheat into a speed with the USRT there is no slack on the stick so you have to know were the gear is. The difference is like dating a 4 and going out with a definite 10 and giving you permission to do with her all the things you wanted to do ....

      Make sure to also install it with a quick shifter.

      I could make a video of mine but since my car is currently dismantled and on it's way to go from 020 to hydro I can't. But the USRT shifter is all good. Also don't skimp on the lube for the bearings. Other than that just re-lube them with every other oil change.

      Thanks for the review! Sounds solid. Looks like I'll install one after all. I'm just so hooked on 02a transmissions, I never bother with 020 rod shifts anymore. My 6 speed cable shift is like butter.

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      05-08-2012 09:09 PM #241
      ...Went to go look at a beater Jetta TREK today. It has LEATHER TREK seats.. I've never seen that before!

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      Noticed the amount of views this gets a day, and wow. I'm glad I could help so many people!

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      ...Went to go look at a beater Jetta TREK today. It has LEATHER TREK seats.. I've never seen that before!

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      05-10-2012 12:13 AM #244
      Quote Originally Posted by JohnStamos View Post
      If I tell you why the Nuespeed and Autotech chips are completely worthless, I'm just gonna have TDAWG jump all over me posting his misinformation again like last time.

      Pull the ROM off them and see for yourself why they suck. Hint: They change ONE table. That's it.
      In the OBD1 P-chip, they change more than one map. GIAC kills them hands down though, if comparing on quantity of maps changed. The P-chip richens the fueling a bit, at WOT, but mostly just changes the main ignition map. Most of the tuners follow the same recipe, from what I've seen of the OBD1 NA chips anyway. Not trying to start a fight, but if we're talking about misinformation...
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