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    Thread: Is this a good price for a 190e Cosworth?..also what can you tell me about them?

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      10-19-2011 01:31 PM #1
      Found this:

      1986 Mercedes 190e Cosworth for $5500 obo:
      I'm selling my 1986 Mercedes Benz 190E 2.3 16Value Cosworth because I bought another car and have no more room on the driveway. This 1986 Benz only has 193,500kms and runs strong. These 190E are known for lasting well over 300,000 miles so it has lots of life left. It's a Getrag 5-speed manual gearbox was unique to the 16 valve and featured a 'racing' gear pattern with 'dog-leg' first gear, left and down from neutral. This meant that the remaining 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th gears were in a simple H pattern allowing fast and easy selection.Its fitted with a Limited Slip Differential (LSD) standard. This car comes with after market 5 star rims as seen in video also 2 sets of original 190E Mercedes Benz rims.I'm also including all of my extra parts from another 16value cosworth Mercedes Benz which are a full set of leather seats, all 4 door leathers and another 16value engine for parts. I'm selling all of this for $5500 OBO (Or Best Offer). In the link below is a video of the cars exterior,interior, all the working options like power windows,power seats,lights on the sun visors,interior lights and etc.


      Given the condition, and mileage is he asking too much? Too little? About what it's worth?

      While I was searching around, I went to this thread from mbworld. It's from 2009 but basically the guy is selling his cosworth for $6k and some other guy is saying it's worth a lot less like around $2500ish...is that a load of BS or accurate?

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      http://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-v...h-not-amg.html

      What can you guys tell me about them? From what I heard they're really reliable and parts can be found from junk yards for cheap..is that true as well?

      TIA

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      5-6 years ago, they were $2,500 all day long. I turned a Euro-spec Smoke Silver down for $3k. Those days are gone .
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      10-19-2011 01:58 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      5-6 years ago, they were $2,500 all day long. I turned a Euro-spec Smoke Silver down for $3k. Those days are gone .
      Seriously? So the $5500 asking price is a bit high or did they go up for some reason? Was there a special where Takumi lost to a 190e Cosworth that I didn't know about?

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      10-19-2011 02:00 PM #4
      may be a fair price if its not totally rusty... and being in ontario... hmmm

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      10-19-2011 02:00 PM #5
      So you went from getting a $2k reliable interim car for a daily driver to a very rare 80's German performance car?

      Good luck.

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      10-19-2011 02:08 PM #6
      I think that is a good price for that car. Rust?

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      10-19-2011 02:10 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      So you went from getting a $2k reliable interim car for a daily driver to a very rare 80's German performance car?

      Good luck.

      Actually, I do wish you luck.
      haha yea well once I read the thread of that guy saying the car is worth more like $2-3k I thought if I'm gonna spend around that for a new car might as well be something awesome. For some reason the dog-leg shift pattern is REALLY intriguing me.

      Aren't they reliable though..I know it's german and it's from the 80's but I heard parts aren't that hard to come by(if you get em from junkyards) or is that just a myth.

      Think I can talk him to down to maybe $4k or lower or is the price pretty much gonna stay around $5k?

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      10-19-2011 02:14 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      Seriously? So the $5500 asking price is a bit high or did they go up for some reason? Was there a special where Takumi lost to a 190e Cosworth that I didn't know about?
      Once E30 M3s jumped from $10k to $20k in price, the 190E 2.3-16 followed. $5,500 is fair. Is it Euro-spec? Does it have SLS-delete?
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      10-19-2011 02:23 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      Once E30 M3s jumped from $10k to $20k in price, the 190E 2.3-16 followed. $5,500 is fair. Is it Euro-spec? Does it have SLS-delete?
      SLS - educate me on that...I emailed teh guy today as i'm not sure if the car is still for sale and he just forgot to take down the add. If he replies I'll ask.

      He put OBO so i'm sure he's willing to go down..but not sure by how much I should start him off with..don't want to low-ball.

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      10-19-2011 02:32 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      SLS - educate me on that...I emailed teh guy today as i'm not sure if the car is still for sale and he just forgot to take down the add. If he replies I'll ask.

      He put OBO so i'm sure he's willing to go down..but not sure by how much I should start him off with..don't want to low-ball.
      It's the Self-Leveling Suspension that these cars have in the rear. Expensive to maintain so many have been swapped out for aftermarket spring/shock combos.
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      10-19-2011 02:53 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      Aren't they reliable though..I know it's german and it's from the 80's but I heard parts aren't that hard to come by(if you get em from junkyards) or is that just a myth.
      nearly everything on that car is 16v specific - suspension, brakes, interior bit, transmission, engine... you really wont be finding much of anything for used parts for it.

      expect to spend a fair bit of money keeping that on the road if its your primary driver and you put a lot of miles on it...

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      10-19-2011 02:55 PM #12
      I have been doing some prelim searching for 190e and all variants.

      Most every cosworth Ive seen in decent condition have gone for 5000 to 6000 so 5500 isn't too out of place.

      If there is rust at all, offer him 4 grand and work your way up to no more then 4700. He says he has no room so hes motivated.

      Hell, offer him 4000 anyways and see how willing he is to sell. If you get it for sub 5500 then congratz you got a pretty solid car for sub (what seems to be) fair market value.

      I however default to Valve as far as repair costs and any actual repair info haha.
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      10-19-2011 03:51 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      nearly everything on that car is 16v specific - suspension, brakes, interior bit, transmission, engine... you really wont be finding much of anything for used parts for it.

      expect to spend a fair bit of money keeping that on the road if its your primary driver and you put a lot of miles on it...


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      10-19-2011 03:58 PM #14
      I've been tracking pricing for the last 2 months or so, just to see if one pops up for a good deal, and wanting to know what a good deal is if one comes up. And that $5500 is about right for a decently clean one. I've seen a few for less, but beat to $hit. It bums me out how many I find that are automatics though.
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      10-19-2011 04:03 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by MK2*GTI*GUY View Post
      I've been tracking pricing for the last 2 months or so, just to see if one pops up for a good deal, and wanting to know what a good deal is if one comes up. And that $5500 is about right for a decently clean one. I've seen a few for less, but beat to $hit. It bums me out how many I find that are automatics though.
      I thought all cosworth edition one's were manual?

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      10-19-2011 07:19 PM #16
      i'd do it. i turned down an e30 m3 with 53k for $9k, and one of these (same owner) for about $6k back in 2001. now i'm doing this every time i see even a photo of the two cars.

      you'll probably regret it if you don't. around $5k is fair.

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      10-19-2011 07:21 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      So you went from getting a $2k reliable interim car for a daily driver to a very rare 80's German performance car?

      Good luck.

      Actually, I do wish you luck.
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      10-19-2011 07:58 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      I thought all cosworth edition one's were manual?
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      10-19-2011 08:05 PM #19
      Parts are not easy to find, however, they car is pretty reliable. I remember waiting 3 weeks for a timing chain and tensioner, had to come straight from Germany. Oh, and auto 16vs are super rare.

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      10-19-2011 08:17 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by esrballa View Post
      Parts are not easy to find, however, they car is pretty reliable. I remember waiting 3 weeks for a timing chain and tensioner, had to come straight from Germany. Oh, and auto 16vs are super rare.
      Aside from the SLS, what are some common problems/things prone to failure that one should look out for prior to buying one?

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      10-19-2011 08:19 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      It's the Self-Leveling Suspension that these cars have in the rear. Expensive to maintain so many have been swapped out for aftermarket spring/shock combos.
      It isn't that expensive actually as long as you change the fluid regularly (many don't).
      There are always after market options too.
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      Quote Originally Posted by esrballa View Post
      Parts are not easy to find, however, they car is pretty reliable. I remember waiting 3 weeks for a timing chain and tensioner, had to come straight from Germany. Oh, and auto 16vs are super rare.
      Of course 2 out of 3 that are around here are auto. One is pretty faded and missing the motor and transmission (auto), and he has been asking $1150 with no buyers for over 2 months now.
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    23. 10-19-2011 08:26 PM #23
      I think about half of them cosworths i see are auto unfortunately. I always loved the interiors in these, and hated the exhaust note, which is kinda unseemly for a benz

      Rust on these almost always starts under the bodykit. If you see bubbling coming from under the flares, there isnt much fender left under it. Def find one with the leveling suspension deleted, also make sure the climate control works properly, chasing down the vac leaks in them can be a pain.

      Motors are stout but share nothing with standard 190s. Id say its a fair asking price, i never knew why these never commanded the same money e30 m3s did, besides the driving experience being a bit more dull than the bimmer, they are very cool cars.

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      10-19-2011 08:31 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      Aside from the SLS, what are some common problems/things prone to failure that one should look out for prior to buying one?
      Just admit it, you're not buying it. If you were REALLY serious you'd be looking at a 1991 BMW 318is or something like that that's quirky, fun, reliable and parts are easy to come by.

      The tossable chassis, manual and rwd make them fun without getting in too deep with maintenance. You don't have the capacity to work on a 190e yourself and you don't need the headache.
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      10-19-2011 08:40 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by oh noes! cars! View Post
      Just admit it, you're not buying it. If you were REALLY serious you'd be looking at a 1991 BMW 318is or something like that that's quirky, fun, reliable and parts are easy to come by.

      The tossable chassis, manual and rwd make them fun without getting in too deep with maintenance. You don't have the capacity to work on a 190e yourself and you don't need the headache.
      Well for one he hasn't responded to my email and since my dad would be paying most of it and i'd be paying him back it ultimately has to get his approval first...doesn't mean I can't inquire about it though.

      I actually have been looking for e30's but a lot of them are beaten really bad around here and the nicer one's come in automatic which I think makes a car like that really boring. I'm constantly on the lookout.

      This 190e is really clean, relatively cheap and looks like the guy took good care of it so why not inquire?

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      10-19-2011 08:44 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by teileguy View Post
      I think about half of them cosworths i see are auto unfortunately. I always loved the interiors in these, and hated the exhaust note, which is kinda unseemly for a benz

      Rust on these almost always starts under the bodykit. If you see bubbling coming from under the flares, there isnt much fender left under it. Def find one with the leveling suspension deleted, also make sure the climate control works properly, chasing down the vac leaks in them can be a pain.

      Motors are stout but share nothing with standard 190s. Id say its a fair asking price, i never knew why these never commanded the same money e30 m3s did, besides the driving experience being a bit more dull than the bimmer, they are very cool cars.
      Appreciate the info

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      10-19-2011 08:58 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by oh noes! cars! View Post
      The tossable chassis, manual and rwd make them fun without getting in too deep with maintenance.
      you forgot to mention epicly slow

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      10-19-2011 10:04 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      you forgot to mention epicly slow
      lol coming from a golf slow doesn't really bother me...the 190e's looks, dog leg shift pattern and exhaust are more than enough for me

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      10-19-2011 10:10 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      Aside from the SLS, what are some common problems/things prone to failure that one should look out for prior to buying one?
      Wheel bearing tend to go out after 100k (they squick like crazy), sometimes they get idle problems, faulty fuel sensor which makes the fuel gauge flicker like crazy, oh and the valves are recommend to be readjusted every 15k. These cars dont have alot of glaring problems, just regular maintenance. Even the SLS isnt that bad, they start to sag and leak and then can be removed when you put in an aftermarket shocks and springs. Its an issue that gets progressively worse, so it wont leave you stranded. And every stopwatch in these is probably broken, so dont put too much into that.
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      10-19-2011 10:41 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      lol coming from a golf slow doesn't really bother me...the 190e's looks, dog leg shift pattern and exhaust are more than enough for me
      no, i meant the 318is specifically.

    31. 10-19-2011 11:19 PM #31
      buy an old ae-92gts or equivalent mr-2??????? and get over the name tag

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      10-19-2011 11:21 PM #32
      a stick mercedes!?! cosworth!?! why is it a peg leg?!

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      10-19-2011 11:22 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by c0mmon View Post
      buy an old ae-92gts or equivalent mr-2??????? and get over the name tag
      Such a great post. Good read, would read again!

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      10-19-2011 11:24 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Corrado****** View Post
      a stick mercedes!?! cosworth!?! why is it a peg leg?!
      Not sure if srs.

      However, they were "dogleg" because they were meant for track running (partly due to homoglation basis for the Evo series for DTM racing)

      In most track scenarios you never see first aside from the starting line - which made sense to keep 2/3/4/5 in the H pattern for faster shifts.

      o_O in case you were legit asking.

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