NEW EA888 1.8 TSI / 2.0 TSI Engine Details

[Issam Abed]

This new engine, the EA888 if transformed into higher displacements other than 1.8L will be a significant achievement for the VW Group.

Will only be able to get it to 2.0L as none of the Diesel's are following the EA888 block format as yet. They are still on EA113 format (old school 06A format).

Still 2008cc is a huge bonus. This motor looks ALOT cleaner than the TSI motor it is replacing.
Still not a fan of the oil filter

[VWRedux]

Hey, use you own pictures...

[Issam Abed]

Hey, use you own pictures...

Ive got a few to upload. Just waiting on the gallery integration to be completed (which should be today) and ill upload the pdf file.
If you want me to remove them I can

[VWRedux]

Ive got a few to upload. Just waiting on the gallery integration to be completed (which should be today) and ill upload the pdf file.
If you want me to remove them I can

Chill... just having a little fun with ya...

[dick tracy]

I think in the time that this engine will be on the market, that the ecu cant be accesed anymore, so tuning will not be posible...

Lets all hope i am wrong.

[Issam Abed]

I think in the time that this engine will be on the market, that the ecu cant be accesed anymore, so tuning will not be posible...

Lets all hope i am wrong.

The ECU will always be accessable. It will just be a race to see which tuner figures it out first.

[dick tracy]

The ECU will always be accessable. It will just be a race to see which tuner figures it out first.

I very much doubt that, at this moment there are allready a few ecu's that cant be tuned anymore ...

The new bmw 5 series F10 cant be tuned, the 1.6TDI cant be tuned, ....

[zucchini]

I very much doubt that, at this moment there are allready a few ecu's that cant be tuned anymore ...

The new bmw 5 series F10 cant be tuned, the 1.6TDI cant be tuned, ....

It´s just a matter of time!

[dick tracy]

It´s just a matter of time!

Yeah, loads of time... the 1.6TDI is allready 2.5 years old ...

[Track5tar]

Yeah, loads of time... the 1.6TDI is allready 2.5 years old ...

what company has been working on it?

[dick tracy]

what company has been working on it?

CMD, Byteshooter, Alientech, ....., ......

[DRedman45]

CMD, Byteshooter, Alientech, ....., ......

all the big budget companies that can afford to put their time and money into tuning a 1.6L diesel

[Issam Abed]

CMD, Byteshooter, Alientech, ....., ......

These are tool suppliers. Not software mapping suppliers...

I very much doubt that, at this moment there are allready a few ecu's that cant be tuned anymore ...

The new bmw 5 series F10 cant be tuned, the 1.6TDI cant be tuned, ....

There is a difference between "cant be tuned" and "we can not crack the ecu security locks to get access to the maps".
APR was the first to crack the B8 S4 ECU , an ecu that was "unbreakable". They ran the market for over a year before Revo & others caught on.

Supply & Demand...1.6TDI is not a popular motor in Europe and it is non existent in USA.

[O_o]

so i got a question. im an engineer, but by no means an expert in engine design.

why woudl you want to cool the exuast gas BEFORE the turbocharger? reading that my document that was my understanding. seems to me your just pumping away energy then out the radiator, instead of funneling it through the turbocharger. the entire point of the turbocharger being to recycle the waste heat (energy) in the exaust and turn it into something useful - boost. thus the jump in both performance and fuel economy.

but cooling the exuast before it gets to the turbo saps out a bunch of that energy.

so why are they doing that?

As long as there isn't a pressure loss associated with cooling the exhaust, the turbine output will not be significantly affected. You're right that there is some power loss, but unless they're cooling it by several hundred degrees, it shouldn't make much difference.

BTW, I used to test turbocharger compressors by using compressed air at substantially room temperature to drive the turbine. The exhaust temperature was sometimes as low as -80C, but there was still loads of power. I did have to increase the TIP a little compared to using hot compressed air, but not as much as you might think. At pressure ratios of about 4, IIRC, I had to run at about 3 psi higher pressure to get the same power output as when it was installed in an engine.

[zucchini]

These are tool suppliers. Not software mapping suppliers...



There is a difference between "cant be tuned" and "we can not crack the ecu security locks to get access to the maps".
APR was the first to crack the B8 S4 ECU , an ecu that was "unbreakable". They ran the market for over a year before Revo & others caught on.

Supply & Demand...1.6TDI is not a popular motor in Europe and it is non existent in USA.

"Market size"....that is the point.

[dick tracy]

These are tool suppliers. Not software mapping suppliers...



There is a difference between "cant be tuned" and "we can not crack the ecu security locks to get access to the maps".
APR was the first to crack the B8 S4 ECU , an ecu that was "unbreakable". They ran the market for over a year before Revo & others caught on.

Supply & Demand...1.6TDI is not a popular motor in Europe and it is non existent in USA.

The ecu from the 1.6TDI can be readed and flashed, the problem is the checksum and RSA. As for the bmw F10, there the problem is the bootpassword.

FYI: 6 out of 10 vw golf/jetta/A3/octavia being sold here in europe are 1.6TDI.
and even loads of passats and superb have this engine

We'll see how this end up,but i hope your right

[ViRtUaLheretic]

There is ALWAYS a way to get around security issues with computers.
I like to think of security as a knot, if there is a way to tie the knot, there is a way to untie the knot.
Its just a matter of time and money.

[zucchini]

There is ALWAYS a way to get around security issues with computers.
I like to think of security as a knot, if there is a way to tie the knot, there is a way to untie the knot.
Its just a matter of time and money.

[chris@revotechnik]

I very much doubt that, at this moment there are allready a few ecu's that cant be tuned anymore ...

The new bmw 5 series F10 cant be tuned, the 1.6TDI cant be tuned, ....

You shouldn't speak for others as you have no clue what everyones current status of their testing is.

We were testing the B8 S4 stuff for a year before we even made mention on the forums that we were in final beta testing back in september. You often don't have any clue what people are cable of doing until its on the market or a coming soon announcement.

We don't tune VWs so read my response however you want

[Issam Abed]

There is ALWAYS a way to get around security issues with computers.
I like to think of security as a knot, if there is a way to tie the knot, there is a way to untie the knot.
Its just a matter of time and money.

Getting back to the topic at hand!

[Arin@APR]

I can't wait for this engine to get here.

[ViRtUaLheretic]

Getting back to the topic at hand!

back to the topic on hand, wait, wut just happened here?

[Issam Abed]

Rumour has it 1.4 TSI coming to North America as well!

[VWRedux]

Nice but that's a 1.8L

[Issam Abed]

Nice but that's a 1.8L

Sorry forgot the 1.4 TSI article.

I am pretty excited for this new 1.8 TFSI motor.

[crew219]

We don't tune VWs so read my response however you want

Pretty much

[chris@revotechnik]

Pretty much

Once a troll always a troll, at least you are consistent.

[Issam Abed]

Once a troll always a troll, at least you are consistent.

Chris respectfully please do not continue this in public. Take it to the PM's unless you have something technical to discuss.

[chris@revotechnik]

Chris respectfully please do not continue this in public. Take it to the PM's unless you have something technical to discuss.

Issam I will give you no respect ever since you do not deserve it and your last post just shows why no one should.. grow a pair and respond to Arin who started talking crap and Crew who then continued it weeks later for no reason at all. Don't come after me because you don't like me when i did nothing and you sell APR products, that's just pathetic.

[snubbs64]

Issam I will give you no respect ever since you do not deserve it and your last post just shows why no one should.. grow a pair and respond to Arin who started talking crap and Crew who then continued it weeks later for no reason at all. Don't come after me because you don't like me when i did nothing and you sell APR products, that's just pathetic.

Wow. Just wow. I bet he didn't respond to Arin so that sh!t like this wouldn't occur. He did grow a pair, a big enough pair that he's secure enough not to succumb to this type of response.

Remind me to never purchase ANYTHING associated with revotechnik if this is how their employees represent themselves. Can't imagine what the customer service would be like based on this PUBLIC display.

Leave it off the boards like Arin was "man" enough to do

[chris@revotechnik]

Wow. Just wow. I bet he didn't respond to Arin so that sh!t like this wouldn't occur. He did grow a pair, a big enough pair that he's secure enough not to succumb to this type of response.

Remind me to never purchase ANYTHING associated with revotechnik if this is how their employees represent themselves. Can't imagine what the customer service would be like based on this PUBLIC display.

Leave it off the boards like Arin was "man" enough to do

Issam didn't reply to Arin because he is an APR dealer and because he has personal issues with me which he has proven time and time again. Arin could have posted exactly what I did and he would have given it a thumbs up. Not to mention his post is a violation of the advertising rules by posting as a private user attacking an advertiser when he has an advertising account.


Also not sure what you mean by Arin left it off the boards, his post right in this thread is what I am talking about...


http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post75237534

[snubbs64]

Regardless of all of that, you continued the thread. Period. They may have had their own issues as well but i believe it was kindergarten that taught us 2 wrongs don't make a right? And you're still clogging up the pages by continuing. So, if anything, i take back my singularly directed comment to you and redirect it to all involved, including you, but maintain the point. You have provided me with no information that made your comment or dealings CORRECT, just also implemented them in the behavior. And that, my friend, still reflects on you and your company as your flying your opinions under your company's flag. That is NOT misdirected. I can't imagine any business owner would want to see a representative of their company respond as you did. Defensive is one thing, but attacking is a whole different matter.

Further, I don't care WHY Issam didn't, you seem to be reading between the lines anyway, he simply didn't. You're going to badmouth someone for NOT participating in this and then point that they did due to your assumption as to why?

Also not sure what you mean by Arin left it off the boards, his post right in this thread is what I am talking about...


http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post75237534

What you point to, my friend, is no where near the anger and hate you spewed. You attacked, he stated a falicy, not saying he couldn't have done it better, or that it was even valid. He was pointing to something directly and you brought all sorts of personal and additional non-related opinions into it. And anyway, I'll restate, this doesn't belong on the boards, any of it. And THAT is my real issue.

[chris@revotechnik]

I'm not reading between the lines, there are multiple off topic posts in this thread and he chose to pick out mine to tell me to take it elsewhere. Common sense would dictate that you complain to the person who brought it off topic not the person who told someone to stop.

Issam unfortunately has an agenda as an APR dealer so he will look the other way when someone who he makes money from comments regardless of if he likes it or not. I take money from Issam so he will go after me. IF you want to question professionalism talk to the guy pretending to be a normal user in this thread going after other advertisers.

AS for your posts, if you feel mine are off topic.. how are your rant posts continuing the off topic BS even remotely helping?

If you don't like my post report it and have the moderators clean it up, don't add to the BS you are complaining about, just makes you a hypocrite.

[chris@revotechnik]

What you point to, my friend, is no where near the anger and hate you spewed. You attacked, he stated a falicy, not saying he couldn't have done it better, or that it was even valid.

Where did I attack APR? I didn't even respond to APR and the reply Arin was quoting of mine and claiming he had any clue about our devopment was a general statement that had nothing to do with APR.

Sorry but you are completely off base here...

[Crzypdilly]

another pissing contest with Chris@revo... yay