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    1. Member Shmi's Avatar
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      11-01-2011 04:29 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Robstr View Post
      No you don't. They are well within the rules to travel slower than the speed limit as they see fit (in absence of a minimum posted speed).

      If they're travelling slower than the right lane traffic they're in the wrong but that says nothing about it being your right to go faster them.

      Sorry, miscommunication. I was thinking more of a liberty right (privilege), not so much a Consitutional or inherent right. i.e. you have the liberty and privilege to pass them as much as they have the liberty/privilege to go under the posted limit, but this is not an inherent right.

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    2. 11-01-2011 04:37 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Robstr View Post
      My point is, simply, that the right to travel faster than the dude that isn't going as fast as you are doesn't exist.

      Yeah the left lane campers are a bitch and it'd be great if the rules were followed and enforced. But to assert that it's your right to pass them is silly. Especially so when, more often than not, the lane camper is travelling at or below the speed limit when you are travelling above it. Claiming rules of the road on someone when breaking the rules is hypocritical.









      It is not the left lane campers job to enforce the law.
      In some places the police/Highway Patrol will pull you over for impeding the flow of traffic (I got a ticket for this while going to a VW event, even though it was another blue MKIV R32 that was camping in the left lane trying to get rolling shots...FHP pulled over the first car (me) that fit the description..)

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      11-01-2011 05:02 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by InternetMeme View Post
      If you want to see how a real highway should function go drive in Germany.

      - It's illegal to use the left lane unless you're passing (this also includes traffic jams, which I'll get to)
      - If there's an accident and no Police/Ambulance at the scene you're legally obligated to stop and assist the person(s) involved until help arrives
      - During a traffic jam no one is allowed to occupy the left lane, as this lane will be used for emergency response
      - It is illegal to stop on the autobahn unless it's an emergency or a traffic jam. Having your car break down or running out of gas are not acceptable reasons to stop and may result in massive fines and a 6 month license suspension (they figure your car shouldn't be in the conditions to break down if you're on the highway).
      I lived in Germany and I drove in traffic on the A8 in the Stuttgart area every day for nearly 2 years.

      I'm here to tell you, when there's traffic the left lane IS occupied fully. Always. I never saw anyone cited for it. It would not make sense to have traffic and use only one or two lanes, when using the third lane could free the traffic jam.

      You're right on most of the other things. Running out of gas on the autobahn is a fineable offense, because it was your fault. You knew you were low on fuel. Your car breaking down on the other hand, is an unpreventable circumstance. Again, seen it happen many times and have never seen anyone fined for it.
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      11-01-2011 06:16 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by InternetMeme View Post
      If you want to see how a real highway should function go drive in Germany.

      - It's illegal to use the left lane unless you're passing (this also includes traffic jams, which I'll get to)
      - If there's an accident and no Police/Ambulance at the scene you're legally obligated to stop and assist the person(s) involved until help arrives
      - During a traffic jam no one is allowed to occupy the left lane, as this lane will be used for emergency response
      - It is illegal to stop on the autobahn unless it's an emergency or a traffic jam. Having your car break down or running out of gas are not acceptable reasons to stop and may result in massive fines and a 6 month license suspension (they figure your car shouldn't be in the conditions to break down if you're on the highway).
      I wonder if this part has been relaxed in the past few years or so by the ****** of Autos with the reliability problems of, for example, modern Mercedes.
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      11-01-2011 06:26 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Woo View Post
      I'd rather everyone be held to the same speed limits, TBH.

      Now, lane restrictions might be a pretty neat idea.
      haha, I'd support that wholeheartedly.

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      11-01-2011 06:34 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Robstr View Post
      I say nothing of the right to travel or use publicly funded roads (If the road doesn't go some place, do you have the right to drive on a publicly funded road to get there?)

      My point is, simply, that the right to travel faster than the dude that isn't going as fast as you are doesn't exist.

      Yeah the left lane campers are a bitch and it'd be great if the rules were followed and enforced. But to assert that it's your right to pass them is silly. Especially so when, more often than not, the lane camper is travelling at or below the speed limit when you are travelling above it. Claiming rules of the road on someone when breaking the rules is hypocritical.
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      11-01-2011 06:40 PM #32
      I'm not a slow driver.

      But I'm sorry u mad bro. You're going to be the one to end up in a ditch because you're flipping a **** about something completely not worth the effort.
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      11-01-2011 06:46 PM #33
      You never know why someone is in a hurry. Why make it your business to hinder someone who just wants to get where they need to be. Move out of the way, and let them pass. It's that simple.
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    9. 11-01-2011 06:51 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Woo View Post
      With the staggering amount of stupidity I witness on a daily basis in my area, I would be terrified to drive 85+ mph on the highway.
      Most of the roads that are 80+ are out in the middle of nowhere and mostly straight.
      Our toll roads are 75 in some parts.

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      11-01-2011 06:58 PM #35
      There's far too much traffic in SoCal to allow the left lane for passing only.
      Fortunately, the Prius hyper-milers hold up the carpool lane, leaving the fast lane for everyone else.

      Driving below the posted speed limit in the fast lane (assuming weather and traffic conditions are normal) should be a capital crime.

      Tailgating, however, should also be punishable by death, as should failure to use signal and cutting off other drivers. In fact, drivers should die for breaking traffic laws. (except me, of course)

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      11-01-2011 06:59 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Air-over-water View Post
      Most of the roads that are 80+ are out in the middle of nowhere and mostly straight.
      Our toll roads are 75 in some parts.
      Our entire portion of I-25, except for large metro areas, is 75. I assure you, the though of raising this terrifies me. If people go 85 in a 75 routinely, what's that going to be in an 85 zone? 100? Don't assume everyone is as good a driver as TCL. There's so many idiots out there, and though they may think it, increased speed is not their friend.

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      11-01-2011 06:59 PM #37
      On pretty much all 3 lane or more highways I've been on, the left most lane is "supposed" to be regarded as the passing lane. This completely voids Robstr's comments. The left lane should be used to pass the car in the middle or right lane and then you return to the lane once it is clear. Traveling in the left lane is actually illegal in these cases.
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      11-01-2011 07:18 PM #38
      The state of Washington has this law that states : "always use the right lane unless to pass"

      Yet nobody seems to enforce it so the guy saving the planet in his Prius hangs out in the left lane doing 50 in a 60mph zone.

      It's downright dangerous.
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      11-01-2011 08:09 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Iroczgirl View Post
      The state of Washington has this law that states : "always use the right lane unless to pass"

      Yet nobody seems to enforce it so the guy saving the planet in his Prius hangs out in the left lane doing 50 in a 60mph zone.

      It's downright dangerous.
      WA also has "illegal to detain 5 or more cars" on a two lane road. Ie... if you're backing up traffic because, who cares why, you are required by law to pull over and let traffic pass before re-entering the lane of travel.

      I stopped flashing beams and getting upset at left lane campers when one tried to brake check me and nearly ran a car off the road in the center lane. I laughed my ass off, because I was in no danger, but felt bad that by aggravating a crappy driver;

      1) they would assumedly think I was an idiot and learn nothing, other than disdain for sporty hatchbacks
      2) there's a great potential for an idiot driver to do something, well, idiotic and put many people in danger

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      11-01-2011 09:00 PM #40
      We need more cops like this





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      11-01-2011 10:48 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by silvermouse5150 View Post
      We need more cops like this
      That's great that the cop put that driver in his/her place, but that cop should have given that driver a ticket to get full kudos.

      It's a shame that cops/the system only gives tickets for speeding (or not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign). That's the way it is here in California at least.

      A driver can fail to signal for a lane change or cut people off or clog the pass lane, and the cops won't do a thing. But heaven forbid if you're just going around 15 mph over the speed limit!

      I believe that "speeding" is safer than "slowing" or cutting people off. In part, because if you're speeding (within reason), you're not getting in anyone else's way, and you're likely an engaged driver. The other violations involve getting in the way of other drivers, and they are signs of not paying attention and/or not caring.

      - - -

      To those who believe that driving at the speed limit gives them the right to park in the pass lane: following the rules still means you must be in the right lane.

      The "slower traffic to the right" rule supersedes the speed limit rule. Besides, it's against the rules to take the law into your own hands. You're not a cop.

      - - -

      In reality, a rule that is not enforced ceases to be a rule. If the posted speed limit was the actual speed limit, then the cops should be pulling people over for going 1 mph over, but they don't. Ergo, someone is only speeding if it's fast enough to get the cops' attention. That's unfortunate, because the law should be objective and not simply based on a cop's whim or revenue quota.

      Again, the point is for those left-lane leeches: it's not for you to determine if others are "speeding" and then try to slow them down. You're only supposed to use the left lane for passing, and, when in the left lane, move to the right to make way for faster traffic.

      But, it goes both ways: Unfortunately, since the pass lane rule is not enforced, it's lost most of its rule status, too. Morally, though, left-lane leeches are still very much in the wrong.

      - - -

      In my experience, 15 mph over gets you a ticket nowadays here in California, and you're most susceptible when you're the only car on the road, i.e., the time when it's the safest to drive fast. So most speeding tickets really aren't about safety; they're about stealing money from us.

      If the government truly believed that speeding was a safety issue, they would have speed limiters installed in all cars. After all, they force car makers to do lots of things to our cars. By the government's twisted logic, why not speed limiters too? The answer is that they see more money from speeding tickets and get more of a power kick out of fleecing us than from adding those further regulations to car makers.

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