United Motorsport strut mounts?

[GLI_DRIVER]

Um posted on their FB page about some new strut mounts they are making. Does anyone have any insight on the details? Anyone tired of OEM mounts wearing out quickly? My OEM strut mounts are worn out and they are only 10 months old. Id rather give my $$ to UM than 034..

[Yak Meat]

Ive had the 034s in my GLI and they work very well... got ride of the silly gap.

I havent heard anything about UMs

[vex004]

have the 034's and they collapsed and are shot right now..


I would definitly like to get a set of the UM's strut mounts.

[Yak Meat]

can we get some more information comparing the two?

[vex004]

can we get some more information comparing the two?

x2...


From the photo it looks like they are black anodized aluminum - if not I would guess delrin

[Yak Meat]

Delrin would be cool.

I know the 034 is just a higher durometer rubber... idk how the delrin would work though... may put unnecessary stress on things... they need to deflect and deform some amount...

[corradovrsick]

have the 034's and they collapsed and are shot right now..


I would definitly like to get a set of the UM's strut mounts.

Look top notch.. Wouldn't expect anything less

[ThatVdub]

When I saw them first post that pic, I was like DETAILS PLS!

Enough time has passed, and they post 5 available (gotta buy from UK), but nothing about what it's made out of, or anything. So I guess it is pass until I see some good feedback...

[rex_racer]

Delrin would be cool.

I know the 034 is just a higher durometer rubber... idk how the delrin would work though... may put unnecessary stress on things... they need to deflect and deform some amount...

Delrin would not work. The upper mount needs to articulate as the suspension cycles up and down. If replacement is such an issue why not replace the upper mount with a bearing setup? With careful selection a bearing/mount interface that properly supports the weight of the car, it can last as much as 80,000 miles.

[Slapbladder]

These are not ally......they are made from another material....

Do not listen to people who are trying to sell a tougher mount from VW....there isnt one....I have tried the supposed " Seat Leon Cupra R" mount....yes the part number is different and the rubber feels slightly harder but the cage inside still does the same thing....The main issue is VW using the same mount across the range from a 1.6 MK4 which is around 1250/1300 kg car right through to the 1500+ R32 etc....its just not man enough.

Standard mounts with coilovers or other lowered suspension will only last a few thousand miles or a month or two before the rubber and the metal cage inside are deformed throwing the whole geometary of the suspension out. I used to have to change my mounts every month or two on mine.....pain in the ass.

These are solid mounts to stop the mount collapsing. I have been running these for a few months now with great success.

There is slightly more road noise on rough surfaces but this is offset by the fact the suspension stays where it is supposed to be giving better road handling and less tyre wear/fuel useage.

The suspension strut/coilover is now doing the work it should be as the mount does not move.

[Slapbladder]

Delrin would be cool.

I know the 034 is just a higher durometer rubber... idk how the delrin would work though... may put unnecessary stress on things... they need to deflect and deform some amount...

put stress on what? the suspension strut should be doing all the work....the only reason the upper mount is rubber is to take out some road noise.

[graeme86]

Slapbladder, do you think over the long term having this more solid mount would cause stuff like the suspension tower cracking etc?

You know how they get cracks around the join sometimes in the sealant coating.

Have you notioced anything like this one your car?

Like you say, the stock "one size fits all" mounts are woefully inadequate for the extra weight of the VR6

[Slapbladder]

Slapbladder, do you think over the long term having this more solid mount would cause stuff like the suspension tower cracking etc?

You know how they get cracks around the join sometimes in the sealant coating.

Have you notioced anything like this one your car?

Like you say, the stock "one size fits all" mounts are woefully inadequate for the extra weight of the VR6

I don't think so....i personally have not seen this....the mount is held in position so there is no additional "hammering" from the flexable rubber mount. The spring and shock are left to do their work...I would have said that the possible cracking could be down to people running very very low ride heights and massively stiff spring rates which will put alot of stress through the turrets.
The VR6 engine is only 25-35kgs heavier than a 4cylinder unit....some of this is also the 02m box...its just everything they bolt on makes the car heavier along with the 4wd/prop/haldex/diff etc....

[Yak Meat]

that 35kgs is 75 lbs... not light...

Its literally a 25% weight increase. Its not something to scoff at and say it doesnt matter.

I have the 034 mounts right now but if i run into more problems i will look into these UM ones.

What is the best way to determine if the strut mount is the cause of the issues?

[Slapbladder]

that 35kgs is 75 lbs... not light...

Its literally a 25% weight increase. Its not something to scoff at and say it doesnt matter.

I have the 034 mounts right now but if i run into more problems i will look into these UM ones.

What is the best way to determine if the strut mount is the cause of the issues?

25% increase on the engine weight over a 4pot which is not that much you are talking 35 litres of fuel...... its the difference between the 1250kg 2wd car and 1500+kg 4wd car we are talking about....

look at the mount from the top is it centered? look from the front of the car and look if the mount is off centre and also look at the gap from the top plate to the turret if its more than 5-10mm they are buggered.

[jmh2002]

I think these new UM mounts seem to be quite good value for what they are, and in comparison with oem or other uprated rubber versions.

However, if going for a solid mount, and your budget can stretch to it, Id highly recommend considering something adjustable such as the camber mounts by H2Sport, Ground Control, KW and the like.

...do you think over the long term having this more solid mount would cause stuff like the suspension tower cracking etc?

Graeme, Ive been running H2Sport Camber Mounts which are solid and a combination of custom spherical and oem bearings for over 50,000km with PSS9s all the way down. I have not yet seen any sign of tower wear or damage.

[VRptstyly]

How can one get his hands on this. I left a message on their fb page? Oem mounts are a joke when driven hard, and cupra mounts were a decent alternative but a bit disappointing.

[ThatVdub]

I think these new UM mounts seem to be quite good value for what they are, and in comparison with oem or other uprated rubber version.

What are they? Im still trying to figure out what theyre made of.

[vdub_jetta]

my sig says it all!
i went through 3 sets of 034 mounts and they are COMPLETE CRAP!! some collapsed after a few thousand mile, some after a few months. i was on bilstein sport shocks and h&r sport springs.
i went back to stock and NO issues! so at this point i'm skeptical about any company, especially 034, claiming to have found a solution/improved product.
sorry, just my .02c

[ThatVdub]

so at this point i'm skeptical about any company, especially 034, claiming to have found a solution/improved product.
sorry, just my .02c

You have every right, and I too feel the same way. There is nothing wrong with being a cautious consumer, esp after what you and many others have been through with other mounts.

I REALLY don't like people stating something being quality, when they haven't owned one or ever been around on, no less ever seeing a non-biased review. My 2 cents.

[jmh2002]

How can one get his hands on this. I left a message on their fb page?

http://unitedmotorsport.co.uk/produc...ad-top-mounts/

[M00NEY]

You have every right, and I too feel the same way. There is nothing wrong with being a cautious consumer, esp after what you and many others have been through with other mounts.

I REALLY don't like people stating something being quality, when they haven't owned one or ever been around on, no less ever seeing a non-biased review. My 2 cents.

This. I personally have spent a bunch of money counting other's experience as trustworthy.

Some things have worked out, my 034 experiment was a failure.

I have to say these look promising, but for me, time will tell.

Count me in as a cautious consumer, the hard way.

[JCWolf1.8T]

This. I personally have spent a bunch of money counting other's experience as trustworthy.

Some things have worked out, my 034 experiment was a failure.

I have to say these look promising, but for me, time will tell.

Count me in as a cautious consumer, the hard way.

I'm with MOONEY with this one too about being a cautious consumer. Been through countless OEM strut mounts and 3 sets of 034's and tired of changing these things out every few thousand miles. Going to wait for folks to try these out and then decide what I'll be doing.

[Jai-R32]

Used the UM mounts since release with no issues at all.

[PowerDubs]

Do not listen to people who are trying to sell a tougher mount from VW....there isnt one....

I have been running 'VWMS' strut bearings for many years now with no apparent wear on them yet.

Are they not available anymore?

[Slapbladder]

I have been running 'VWMS' strut bearings for many years now with no apparent wear on them yet.

Are they not available anymore?

we are not talking about the bearing, we are talking about the mount....

[VRptstyly]

I think he meant mounts, did VWMS make a bearing?

[Skrimpkilla]

After reading many different posts/threads regarding failing strut mounts, I think I'm more than ready to give the UM mounts a try. I'm ordering my parts for a front end suspension refresh, and I'd love to get my hands on a set of these asap. Is there also a strut bearing that can be ordered with these, or is my best bet to just go with the VW OEM bearing?

Also, are the aftermarket rubber mounts(034 motorsport, Seat Cupra R) that are available that bad? I can't see installing something I may need to change in a couple months. It seems as though some folks on here are running these heavier duty rubber mounts without issue at all, while some others have blown thru multiple sets of these mounts in no time... I live in RI, USA where the roads are less than desirable(that's an understatement), and I'd like to install a mount that will have some longevity to them...

[Slapbladder]

After reading many different posts/threads regarding failing strut mounts, I think I'm more than ready to give the UM mounts a try. I'm ordering my parts for a front end suspension refresh, and I'd love to get my hands on a set of these asap. Is there also a strut bearing that can be ordered with these, or is my best bet to just go with the VW OEM bearing?

Also, are the aftermarket rubber mounts(034 motorsport, Seat Cupra R) that are available that bad? I can't see installing something I may need to change in a couple months. It seems as though some folks on here are running these heavier duty rubber mounts without issue at all, while some others have blown thru multiple sets of these mounts in no time... I live in RI, USA where the roads are less than desirable(that's an understatement), and I'd like to install a mount that will have some longevity to them...

Seat Cupra R mounts are the same as standard with a slight difference in rubber stiffness....its not the rubber its the metal cage inside that collapses and deforms. I have run a set of the Cupra R mounts and they fail just the same. They might be ok in some places in the world with snooker table roads but in the UK and other places the VW/Seat mounts will not last.

[Jai-R32]

From what I've seen the Seat Cupra R mounts wear at roughly the same rate. I just got sick of constantly replacing the OEM mounts and having the two strut tops looking the the leaning tower of pisa with a huge inconsistant gap between the turret leading to odd handling/steering feel at the front at times.

The final OEM set I removed, about 2 months worth of use, one is clearly shot and the car is on level ground. Replaced these parts 3 times prior to this.


Without United Motorsport 'Fast road' Top Mount by j1m8le, on Flickr


Without United Motorsport 'Fast road' Top Mount by j1m8le, on Flickr

No idea where the pics are of the new ones installed. Will try and dig them out or take some new snaps.

[Skrimpkilla]

My strut tops look identical to this, and the slop in handling/steering along with the clunking noises on rough road is beyond frustrating... At least it seems as though I've found what is causing the issues at hand, now if I could only get some info on how I can get a set of these UM mounts!... Also wondering if I should use VW OEM strut bearings when I replace the mounts, or is there a better aftermarket bearing available?

Going to try to contact the US division of United Motorsport via the (203) 889 0008 phone number this morning to see if I can get any answers. Hopefully I'll have a set of these coming by week's end!

[Slapbladder]

My strut tops look identical to this, and the slop in handling/steering along with the clunking noises on rough road is beyond frustrating... At least it seems as though I've found what is causing the issues at hand, now if I could only get some info on how I can get a set of these UM mounts!... Also wondering if I should use VW OEM strut bearings when I replace the mounts, or is there a better aftermarket bearing available?

Going to try to contact the US division of United Motorsport via the (203) 889 0008 phone number this morning to see if I can get any answers. Hopefully I'll have a set of these coming by week's end!

The OEM bearings are fine.....they last ok....its the topmounts that fail.....

[Yak Meat]

so the question still stands, what the heck are the UM mounts made of??

[g_wagon]

will these mounts be any different in size? I know some mkiv people are using a audi strut mount just because of the size difference, I'm not sure if there is any affects on the handling using a thinner one.

[Slapbladder]

so the question still stands, what the heck are the UM mounts made of??

Why are you so desperate to know? They are harder than standard and will not collapse.....you don't ask CocaCola for the recipe do you