Toyota Officially (And Finally) Reveals 2013 GT-86

[westsideseal]

lol well who else had these type of cars back then? I'm really trying to think but I can't come up wtih any other "nation" who had affordable, reliable and sporty rwd cars for the masses.

Hey now, we're in TCL. You should know that all Japanese cars are cheap, low quality replicas of something the Europeans(or Americans) thought of first.

[choochoo]

lol well who else had these type of cars back then? I'm really trying to think but I can't come up wtih any other "nation" who had affordable, reliable and sporty rwd cars for the masses.

argreed, but you've got to admit the brits kind of started to go astray in the 70's and 80's.

[RWD_only]

The British sports cars of the 40s, 50s, and 60s were never reliable, but neither was anyone else. The 70s, and 80s featured (British) cars with terrible build quality, as well as poor reliability.

[choochoo]

I hope we get stripped down version too
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/09/t...avor-in-japan/

Toyota is offering buyers a stripper version of the company's new GT86 sports coupe. The vehicle comes as a blank canvas just waiting for your personal touch. Outside, the stock 17-inch alloy wheels are replaced with 16-inch steelies, and the bumpers, side mirrors and door handles all arrive unpainted. Don't expect to find any fog lights, either.

Indoors, niceties like a stereo, air conditioning and even trim work around the steering wheel and shifter are nowhere to be found. Toyota even went so far as to ditch the plastic intake cover under the hood. The vehicle doesn't come with a limited-slip rear differential, but the sacrifice seems worth it to us. For starters, the GT-86 RC carries a price tag of 1.9 million Yen, or $24,601 at current conversion rates. That's significantly less than the standard model. Then there's the fact that the RC weighs nearly 100 pounds less than the base GT-86.

Sadly, we doubt either Scion or Subaru will offer a similarly stripped-down version of their respective FR-S or BRZ models, though history disagrees with us. Scion did, in fact, offer a stripper version of the tC back in 2007 called the tC Spec Package.

[SchnellFowVay]

I hope we get stripped down version too
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/09/t...avor-in-japan/

Most of this makes sense, but some is extreme.

It looks like they removed the plastic cover over the passenger side airbag area in the dash. WTF? Who modifies that? Also, the unpainted bumpers are a bit silly, IMO. They should have just done the whole car in primer, or painted the entire car. Do THAT many people, even those into modify, completely replace both bumpers soon enough to leave them unpainted? What was the net weight and cost savings of painting the rest of the car, but not the bumpers?

Finally, the no A/C thing is stupid and a deal breaker. I realize the general benefits of doing so, but if i were in the market for this car, the no A/C thing would be the only deal breaker on the list.


Everything else, though, bravo!

[C4 A6]

Steelies? Oh god, wait until the dubbers get wind of this.

[VarianceVQ]

Nobody buys the stripper models. How many spec tCs do you see running around?

[westsideseal]

Most of this makes sense, but some is extreme.

It looks like they removed the plastic cover over the passenger side airbag area in the dash. WTF? Who modifies that? Also, the unpainted bumpers are a bit silly, IMO. They should have just done the whole car in primer, or painted the entire car. Do THAT many people, even those into modify, completely replace both bumpers soon enough to leave them unpainted? What was the net weight and cost savings of painting the rest of the car, but not the bumpers?

Finally, the no A/C thing is stupid and a deal breaker. I realize the general benefits of doing so, but if i were in the market for this car, the no A/C thing would be the only deal breaker on the list.


Everything else, though, bravo!

Whoever buys that version is most likely buying it for heavy modification, not for comforts like A/C. If that's a deal breaker, they'd be more than happy to sell you a model with painted bumpers, full interior and A/C. Don't hate the stripped model for being stripped.

[choochoo]

My guess is that they're using the stripper version to target people who are only going to use it as a dedicated track car and not to poor students.
The only scion TC's I've seen at a track are these


And there isn't much scion TC about those two besides the name (one of them's not even fwd)
The FRS is going to bring Scion to another level in terms of grassroots motorsport credibility. I can see toyota sponsoring a one make race series like what Mazda's done with the MX5.

[TetsuoShima]

So if Toyota is supposed to supply everyone with the appliances, Lexus is supposed to supply luxury performance, and Scion is supposed to supply affordable sports cars...then does that mean there's no chance of ever bringing back the Supra? Don't see where it could fit in with any company atm..

[Tuneman7]

Sort of weird on that stripper model that they took off paneling in the dash... They'd might as well have gone the whole 9 on the thing and taken out the carpets and so on.

[AKADriver]

Chris Harris is just the man. What he said at the end about how Toyota is focusing on the driver and not the machine is so true and is what I love about this car. Back to the 80's/90's sports car philosphy that the Japanese pioneered.

I'd like to point out that this is the same guy who declared the Miata "boring" and "pants" for having exactly the same attributes. This is a fun review, but take his impressions with a huge grain of salt.

[Corbic]

Uh, spring is a few weeks away, they are taking orders - WTH is the pricing?

[Art Vandelay]

Uh, spring is a few weeks away, they are taking orders - WTH is the pricing?

If they were proud of how it's priced, they'd be yelling it from the mountaintops. The longer the wait, the more likely that it's bad news.

[TigerinColorado]

They look like revised Nissan Z-cars to my eyes.

[TigerinColorado]

nobody buys the stripper models. How many spec tcs do you see running around?

fwd =/ rwd

[choochoo]

If they were proud of how it's priced, they'd be yelling it from the mountaintops. The longer the wait, the more likely that it's bad news.

given the continued rise of the yen.... you may be right

[patrickvr6]

It looks like JDM pricing is out.

http://www.tune86.com/ft-86-news/175...-price-details

Subaru has released special BRZ websites in Japanese, showing off the car specifications a bit more. Package grades and pricing have also been released. BRZ S being the top luxurious model, type R - normal (or reduced), type RA - the low cost model with absolutely no extras, only manual transmission, for the tuners and racers.

Pricing:

BRZ Type S
6MT manual: 2.793.000 JPY
E-6AT automatic: 2.871.750 JPY

BRZ Type R
6MT manual: 2.478.000 JPY
E-6AT automatic: 2.546.250 JPY

BRZ Type RA only manual gearbox
6MT: 2.058.000 JPY

Torsen LSD is only equipped on type S, and type R as an option.
Brakes are also better on type S - 16inch front ventilated and 15in rear ventilated. Weight starts at 1190kg for RA model and BRZ-S automatic being the heaviest at 1250kg.

Racing stripes!

[choochoo]

that doesn't look too bad. I looked up what a WRX STI costs in Japan and compared with the US STI. It's 3685000 yen vs. $34,095USD. So, if you go by that conversion factor, the pricing is right in the ballpark of what they've been saying all along. Around $25K. If that's the case, and that's a big "IF", then they should be selling just fine.

[VarianceVQ]

fwd =/ rwd

I'm aware of that...

[DJMRDARK]

If they were proud of how it's priced, they'd be yelling it from the mountaintops. The longer the wait, the more likely that it's bad news.

Now you've done it...

[choochoo]

toyota japan 86 site up
http://toyota.jp/86/001_p_001/grade/index.html

[Corbic]

If they were proud of how it's priced, they'd be yelling it from the mountaintops. The longer the wait, the more likely that it's bad news.

That is what I'm thinking. We'll see the pricing at the showroom and end of the MT review.

[Corbic]

that doesn't look too bad. I looked up what a WRX STI costs in Japan and compared with the US STI. It's 3685000 yen vs. $34,095USD. So, if you go by that conversion factor, the pricing is right in the ballpark of what they've been saying all along. Around $25K. If that's the case, and that's a big "IF", then they should be selling just fine.

JDM STi =/ USDM STi

[choochoo]

JDM STi =/ USDM STi

You're absolutely right, but that was the closest comparison I could find. Also, that's why I put a big "IF".

[choochoo]

HKS 86 going at Tsukuba

[AKADriver]

An FR-S posing next to a GT-R. Also featuring a full load of tires and tools.

[Corbic]

....price

[Vamped]

I like this, too bad they didnt paint the bumpers!

[Khyron]

....price

Bet on 24,899. Rumors have 27,500 for manual in Canada almost confirmed. 1500 fr/pdi/admin.

Bout 1K more than a base 2.0 GC manual (no lsd).

I paid that much for a new Jetta in 02. I can live with that.

[HASSELHOF]

HKS 86 going at Tsukuba

apparently with just mild mods, the HKS 86 posted the same times as the supra, m3 csl, 350, 370z, nsx. I guess this thing is the real deal.

[The Holy Molar]

HKS 86 going at Tsukuba

Love seeing the car driven as fast as possible as opposed to sideways.

[Robski92]

So we have a first official 0-60 time and weight from the Geneva Auto Show.

[Khyron]

I've seen published numbers showing 7.6/8.2 for manual/auto. Motortrend predicts it will be 6.2~

It's all over the map. A SI does around 6.5 as a fwd so I'd expect around that. Remember that 0-100 is 0-62ish and may or may not have had a 3rd shift.

[C4 A6]

Weight looks promising. I expected 200lbs heavier.

Now for price.