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      10-03-2012 03:48 PM #376
      Ftg can change depending on the tires. How about middle of wheel/axle to fender?

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      10-03-2012 03:51 PM #377
      Quote Originally Posted by BlixaBargeld View Post
      Ftg can change depending on the tires. How about middle of wheel/axle to fender?

      this measurement was on OEM tires/wheels. I dont have the middle of the axle to fender measurements.. but im sure they are out there.

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      10-14-2012 10:01 PM #378
      Quote Originally Posted by JRutter View Post
      Got results from Mike at TyrolSport today on spring rates for the VR6 A3. The only other bit of data beyond the measurements from this and my previous post is that the Euro springs lowered the front of my car by about 5/8" and kept the rear at the same ride height.

      In round numbers:

      S-Line F = 180 lb/in
      Euro F = 280 lb/in

      S-Line R = 250 lb/in
      Euro R = 330 lb/in

      Good to get real numbers. Did you happen to measure the spring lengths for these?

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      10-15-2012 10:59 AM #379
      Measurements are back a couple of pages:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post79031543

      Someone mentioned that the stock springs are pretty much the same as the Mk5 R32. I think that Mike has test results for them vs Mk6 R springs in his build thread on that forum, but I'm running late and can't find it right this second.
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      10-15-2012 03:47 PM #380
      Hey John, so are you planning to run the euro springs and Ohlins then? That seems like it might be a really good combo. Is there a "magic decoder ring" somewhere for those color dot abbreviations? Grn and Gry seem obvious enough but not sure about all the Ps (pink? purple?).

      BTW, on the "what is stock ride height" question, I measured my friend's bone stock R the other day (MKV with about 30K miles) and it was 26" all around. (His front left corner was about a 1/4" lower tho.)

      I'm in the process of following the suspension DIYs to take my GC stuff off. One thing I noticed when fiddling with adjusters before doing anything else was that I had to adjust the left vs right sides differently to get to the same height. With both sides full up, I got to 25.5 LR and about 25.75 RR. I had to drop the adjuster down about a half inch RR to even it out. Then when I put the stock rear springs back on its about the same difference, so its not an issue with the GC kit. Just curious if others who have measured all 4 corner heights have run in to this, or if those with coil-overs have had to adjust the height differently left to right to balance it. May be perfectly normal, IDK, or maybe something is a bit off with my car?

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      10-15-2012 03:54 PM #381
      hrrmm, last time I adjusted my rear I had pretty equal ride height in the rear and the same amount of threads showing...
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      10-15-2012 04:13 PM #382
      You also haz that rigi cola mojo working

      Not asking specifically about front / rear / left / right, but just variations in general. I'm guessing that in a perfect world everything would be nice and symmetrical, but in reality, maybe its not uncommon for some asymmetry? Ryan's car is good - anyone else slightly off left to right (either front or back)?

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      10-15-2012 04:20 PM #383
      FTG measurements can be impacted by very minute differences in what appears to be a perfectly level parking surface. I measured my FTG daily after my coil install and would see up to .25" swings despite parking in the same place every day.

      Maybe go from fender-to-hub measurements and it will be a bit more accurate for you?
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      That guy shouldn't own an R32. I bet he goes out dancing at least twice a week.

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      10-15-2012 04:32 PM #384
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      Yeah - I will be starting out with the base Ohlins and the Euro springs. I also ordered used Passat swivels and new TT arms and ball joints.

      I was wrong about measurements for the stock R32 springs, but the R20 springs are 185 F and 285 R.

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      10-17-2012 04:42 PM #385
      So, who's going to try some FSD's or Ohlins with the new VWR springs?
      Might be close to a perfect combination. I've updated the OP with specs for the VWR springs but here they are:
      Spring Type/Rates:
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      Front: 35 N/mm or ~200 lbs/in
      Rear: 45 N/mm or ~257 lbs/in
      Additional:
      Front Lowering - 10-15mm or .4" - .6"
      Rear Lowering - 8-13mm or .3" - .5"
      Last edited by Slave IV; 10-17-2012 at 06:15 PM.
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      10-17-2012 06:09 PM #386
      Still surprised by the range of spring rates offered. There doesn't seem to be a consensus on what works best

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      10-17-2012 06:19 PM #387
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      So, who's going to try some FSD's or Ohlins with the new VWR springs?
      Might be close to a perfect combination. I've updated the OP with specs for the VWR springs but here they are:
      Spring Type/Rates:
      Linear
      Front: 35 N/mm or ~200 lbs/in
      Rear: 45 N/mm or ~257 lbs/in
      Additional:
      Front Lowering - 10-15mm or .4" - .6"
      Rear Lowering - 8-13mm or .3" - .5"
      If these had been around a couple months ago I would have got them fo sho. Sure wish they had been to save me some $$$ and serious frustrations, but I'm still glad to see this option now. It's awesome that new stuff is till coming out for our cars!

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      10-17-2012 07:41 PM #388
      Quote Originally Posted by Slave IV View Post
      So, who's going to try some FSD's or Ohlins with the new VWR springs?
      Might be close to a perfect combination. I've updated the OP with specs for the VWR springs but here they are:
      Spring Type/Rates:
      Linear
      Front: 35 N/mm or ~200 lbs/in
      Rear: 45 N/mm or ~257 lbs/in
      Additional:
      Front Lowering - 10-15mm or .4" - .6"
      Rear Lowering - 8-13mm or .3" - .5"
      I am seriously thinking about it.
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      10-17-2012 07:45 PM #389
      Quote Originally Posted by Maxx-R32 View Post
      I am seriously thinking about it.
      If you do, I really want a ride in your car sometime.
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      10-19-2012 05:43 PM #390
      Anyone know where to get any kind of discount on APR/VWR stuff? Seems like everyone charges full retail. I'm prolly gonna order up some of them springs today.

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      10-19-2012 05:46 PM #391
      Quote Originally Posted by motrrrpsycho View Post
      Anyone know where to get any kind of discount on APR/VWR stuff? Seems like everyone charges full retail. I'm prolly gonna order up some of them springs today.
      Best I got was free shipping from Tyrol on my VWR mount. The price seems pretty reasonable to begin with.
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      10-19-2012 06:02 PM #392
      Thanks for the tip, I'll ping Tyrol. Not complaining about the price - I just hate paying full retail for anything. Free shipping is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick

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      10-19-2012 07:45 PM #393
      Hey, I have asked a question on here before, and you guys helped me out, I wonder if you can again. As a role of thumb, do springs affect ride comfort more than shocks, or the other way around? For example would the ride comfort of KW V1 be similar to let's say H&R springs due to the spring rates? Or would the KW's be stiffer because of the springs and the struts?

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      10-19-2012 08:03 PM #394
      Quote Originally Posted by jedy617 View Post
      Hey, I have asked a question on here before, and you guys helped me out, I wonder if you can again. As a role of thumb, do springs affect ride comfort more than shocks, or the other way around? For example would the ride comfort of KW V1 be similar to let's say H&R springs due to the spring rates? Or would the KW's be stiffer because of the springs and the struts?
      They both play a part but I'd say the dampers will make a bigger difference. Best to have matched or compatible springs/dampers. I think the weak point of this car's suspension is the dampers...probably part of why a company like Ohlin chose to only offer damper replacements instead of full coilovers.
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      10-24-2012 02:35 AM #395
      Just as a heads up to anyone thinking about getting the new VWR springs, I tried to order some today and APR was out of stock (Tyrol has not got any yet). As I was searching around for info on other spring options, I came across a MKVI R thread from APR announcing the same springs for the gorf. One thing that the guys called out in that thread is that the lowering height range -might- be based on euro spec R ride heights, and therefore actually lower another 10mm or so for US spec. This appears to be just a guess and not confirmed yet. There were also some spring weight specs quoted for Neuspeed vs OE for the gorf. Different Neuspeed PNs between gorf and MKV R, interestingly. That thread: here

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      10-24-2012 10:14 AM #397
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      We do not advise Sport Springs for the 4-Motion cars such as Golf R and R32. With lowered ride height from the factory, fitment of Sport Springs of any make do not offer any significant improvement and can even harm the ride and handling balance of these cars – so we prefer not to offer these (and would advise you to be very cautious about fitting other-brand springs to your 4Motion car). Instead, we suggest the fitment of one of our VWR RoadSport Coilover Suspension kits for these cars.

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      10-24-2012 02:10 PM #398
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryan E. View Post
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      Thanks!

      Quote Originally Posted by motrrrpsycho View Post
      Just as a heads up to anyone thinking about getting the new VWR springs, I tried to order some today and APR was out of stock (Tyrol has not got any yet). As I was searching around for info on other spring options, I came across a MKVI R thread from APR announcing the same springs for the gorf. One thing that the guys called out in that thread is that the lowering height range -might- be based on euro spec R ride heights, and therefore actually lower another 10mm or so for US spec. This appears to be just a guess and not confirmed yet. There were also some spring weight specs quoted for Neuspeed vs OE for the gorf. Different Neuspeed PNs between gorf and MKV R, interestingly. That thread: here
      Thanks..will keep an eye on how this turns out.

      Quote Originally Posted by BlixaBargeld View Post
      VWR:
      We do not advise Sport Springs for the 4-Motion cars such as Golf R and R32. With lowered ride height from the factory, fitment of Sport Springs of any make do not offer any significant improvement and can even harm the ride and handling balance of these cars – so we prefer not to offer these (and would advise you to be very cautious about fitting other-brand springs to your 4Motion car). Instead, we suggest the fitment of one of our VWR RoadSport Coilover Suspension kits for these cars.
      I have this posted in the OP and mentioned it to APR in their thread...they say the lowering range for these R specific springs are good to go but they also still recommend the VWR coilovers instead.

      The saga continues....
      Last edited by Slave IV; 10-24-2012 at 02:12 PM.
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      10-24-2012 04:27 PM #399
      Just not sure what to believe APR says R specific and VWR that they don't sell R specific ones.

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      10-24-2012 04:36 PM #400
      All I know is the VI R forum has more info on their spring rates than we do...

      It also seems like they are saying that these springs were developed for the Golf R and they just decided they would be fine for the R32 as well:

      Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
      They were made specifically for the Golf R platform. They were tested on the S3 and MK5 Golf R32 and did not require any adjustments.
      And it also seems like the VWR springs rates might be lower than the OEM Golf R spring rates...which basically tells me, you can't really believe much of what APR is saying about their VWR products at this point...And we really need to get some solid info.
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