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    1. Member B518tko4's Avatar
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      12-05-2011 10:35 PM #1
      There has to be an easy way to make power on a reasonable budget. Any ideas?

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      12-05-2011 10:40 PM #2
      Frankenturbo.

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      12-05-2011 10:53 PM #3
      Already have ko4 with the ports smoothed up and Swiss cheese airbox. Still have factory tune and stock everything else. Not sure on hp estimate but runs decent just want more power naturally. Kinda new to all this.

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      12-05-2011 11:04 PM #4
      If I were you I would get a tune specific to the k04 with certain sized injectors, I believe Unitronics has a 380cc tune for the k04. Get a FMIC and an exhaust to make the most of it
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      12-05-2011 11:53 PM #5
      I gutted the cats too do you think I'm hurting it running a stock tune.

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      12-06-2011 12:06 AM #6
      It should be fine you just won't see gains unless your tuned for the setup your running
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      12-06-2011 12:19 AM #7
      Hey man im new and using an iPhone how can i post pics from it

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      12-06-2011 07:06 AM #8
      Is there a package to do a tune myself or is that something that needs to be left to a professional.

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      12-06-2011 07:50 PM #9
      There has to be an easy way to make power on a reasonable budget
      Get it chipped? Lol

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      12-07-2011 12:18 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by B518tko4 View Post
      Is there a package to do a tune myself or is that something that needs to be left to a professional.
      This, unfortunately, is not a Japanese car with easily tweak-able engine parameters. You have to re-write the ECU software. Buy a commercial tune; look to spend $400-$500. It's well worth it.

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      12-07-2011 12:23 AM #11
      Neuspeed chip around $350, exhaust system, cold air intake? Ur looking at around 200 hp more or less

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      12-07-2011 12:28 AM #12
      BTW, almost all aftermarket "cold air" intakes for the Passat will actually reduce power; the factory installed CAI is very hard to beat.

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      12-07-2011 01:09 AM #13
      As for intake I'm running stock box with 1 1/2 inch holes drilled throughout. Filter is speed by spectre. Cats are hollow and exhaust is stock cant find one that sounds quite right. Ko4 was good investment I think and probably a good start but indefinitely need a good ecu. I really appreciate all the feed back. I wanna post pics but having all kinds of problems doing it.

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      12-07-2011 07:34 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by B518tko4 View Post
      As for intake I'm running stock box with 1 1/2 inch holes drilled throughout.
      Might want to fix that. The holes are drawing hot (less dense) air from inside the engine compartment. Kind of pointless anyway. The stock box already has a flapper at the bottom which opens up if the main intake isn't bringing in enough air.

    15. 12-07-2011 12:14 PM #15
      Biggest power difference for the budget is to get a Chip. Running a stock tune is not giving you much power even if you have a ko4, the stock software is still running a stock boost setting. You need a tune specific for that turbo to run at a higher boost.

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      12-07-2011 04:35 PM #16
      I do understand about the stock tune I hav just been too cheap or lazy to gt a good tune.

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      12-09-2011 11:05 PM #17
      How about exhaust. What sounds good.

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      12-11-2011 01:23 AM #18
      What is a goo front mount intake. I want something that I can make more power later with but will still handle the stick configuration im running till then.

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      12-11-2011 07:49 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by B518tko4 View Post
      What is a goo(d) front mount intake. I want something that I can make more power later with but will still handle the stick configuration im running till then.
      (Facepalm) Refer to "The Last Intake Thread" over at PassatWorld. The best of the aftermarket intakes, the Carbonio, only equals the stock airbox. Most are quite a bit worse. IF you're running some monster setup, like the APR Stage III+, you might, MIGHT benefit slightly from a custom intake - nothing off the shelf.

      The air intake is the LAST place you should be looking for performance. This isn't a 70's Dodge - or a Honda.

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      12-11-2011 11:20 PM #20
      Haha not a Honda. Yeah I get that. So definitely go front mount and injectors. I wanna do as much as possible before the tune since it isn't a Honda and the tune isn't gonna be fifteen bucks a pop.

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      12-12-2011 07:19 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by B518tko4 View Post
      Haha not a Honda. Yeah I get that. So definitely go front mount and injectors. I wanna do as much as possible before the tune since it isn't a Honda and the tune isn't gonna be fifteen bucks a pop.
      You might want to re-think that. You have to take a "systems approach" with these cars; doing upgrades piecemeal rarely works as you'd want. Installing higher-volume injectors without appropriate software will almost certainly make your car run like crap. It'll be running too rich for the current software to compensate for.

      A bigger intercooler (front-mounted or not) can have some downsides, too. The idea of it is to reduce heat soak and loss of charge air density. This would happen on hot days with sustained high-RPM operation. Rarely happens with the stock turbo, or in street use. What you WILL get in ALL circumstances is a lack of throttle response - it takes longer for the turbo to pressurize all that piping. It's only a reasonable compromise with a larger turbocharger and/or for track use.

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      12-12-2011 10:46 AM #22
      Well I want to eventually run autocross. I have run the car gutted mostly in the quarter and with a couple different settings. But I still want a street car. So a front mount kinda would be helpful but never really looked at the downsides.

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      12-12-2011 10:49 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by B518tko4 View Post
      Well I want to eventually run autocross.
      Why did you buy a passat???? A golf would have been a better option.... or better yet, a Miata..
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      12-12-2011 10:53 AM #24
      I really like the look of the passat and where I'm from there are none that are done right.
      For a four door the car Does everything I want it to do. And mazdas suck. Plus I'm a vw guy.
      So there is no hope for the 18t is that what your saying?

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      12-12-2011 07:41 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by B518tko4 View Post
      So there is no hope for the 18t is that what your saying?
      Hell no. You can make bags of power with a 1.8T; but you're going to be looking at a set of interdependent systems upgrades, not simple incremental bolt-ons. For an idea of where you're heading, look at the APR Stage III kit. When you get up around 300 HP, you'll have to have a manual transmission; a bit after that, you'll have to strengthen the engine internals. I've heard of 500 HP 1.8T's. But it ain't gonna be cheap.

      And as noted, this will all be going into a 3300lb. family sedan. If you weren't kidding about autocross, you really, truly have picked the wrong car.

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      12-12-2011 07:45 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by E CODE View Post
      Why did you buy a passat???? A golf would have been a better option.... or better yet, a Miata..
      This.

      A FWD car thats heavy as sin... yeah I can see how it would be a good auto crosser...
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      12-12-2011 10:15 PM #27
      I'm more looking into entry level not full competition. Just something that can handle well and preform but off the course have fun on the back roads I live on.
      Naturally this is not gonna be a car that is gonna be an instant winner I'm just saying that I plan to make this car auto cross ready.
      I'd like to be able to compete but at the same time I understand that a four door passat is NOT typical to this type of racing.
      So yes maybe a gti or a Mazda would be better suited but I'm more less saying that the suspension necessary to compete is what I'm looking for.

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      12-12-2011 10:43 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by B518tko4 View Post
      I'm more looking into entry level not full competition. Just something that can handle well and preform but off the course have fun on the back roads I live on.
      OK, then look at the SCCA Solo car classifications and see where you want to fit in. Passats are usually in Street Touring; there are specific rules about what you can do to the car and still compete. You can spend very little and still have some fun.

      Or (and take no offense, please) do you just want to be able to talk about your "autocross car" without it actually being legal to compete?

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      12-13-2011 12:42 AM #29
      Hell yeah that is what I'm talking about. The idea is to have fun with it. I don't plan on being the fastest thing there I just wanna have fun. I'll be checking those out. I have a friend who competes using his BMW and it looks like alot of fun. Plus his car handles like it's on rails. That is what I want.

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      12-13-2011 12:47 AM #30
      With alot of the guys around where I live all they want is stance but I want a more useful ride. Don't get me wrong stance is cool as hell but not practical. That is why I want to try an autocross style set up. Plus running a few meets would be nice too. To me looks aren't everything. I would rather be able to drive the guts out of it.

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      12-13-2011 09:20 PM #31
      Skip the ko4s they are still baby turbos get the gt28 they are only few more $ and you will be happy still nice daily driver and you will be in 300+whp range, but you have to pay to play
      Burnouts are for losers in high school. Front wheel drive burnouts are gayer than aids. Whoever started the "burnout meet" should go deepthroat a cactus

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      12-13-2011 09:58 PM #32
      Too late at least for me. The ko4 isn't bad but you are right. At the time I purchased it I wasn't even really thinking about making much power. But if I had it to do over again I would have gone bigger.

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      12-19-2011 12:58 AM #33
      Anyone else running a ko4 I'm curious about injectors.

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      12-19-2011 07:39 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by B518tko4 View Post
      Anyone else running a ko4 I'm curious about injectors.
      Go back to post #4 from 18t papa. You use the injectors specified by your tune. Changing the injectors without the proper tune is guaranteed trouble.
      Last edited by scotts13; 12-19-2011 at 07:52 AM.

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      12-19-2011 08:38 AM #35
      How bout a brand recommendation.

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