I can't wait to own a BRZ, the first car in a long time that actually interests me on an engineering level that I can afford.
If it were wearing a VW badge, at least half of the negativity would disappear instantly - and it's a shame that it's like that around here.
Turbio said it best - it's bizzaro world out there.
Anyone catch the little circle-jerk going on right now about the guy who just bought a Wolfsburg Jetta? I'm not saying anything in the thread, but it's quite funny right now. Apparently the 2.0T Jetta is a sport sedan, and it provides the perfect balance for daily driving and track usage Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
I have given up on TCL. It went from car appreciation, to elitest rambles, to all out hate of anything not an appliance, or super car.
That said, I really like the BRZ/FT-86/FR-S. Looks good, proper platform, nice interior. Surely the aftermarket will make it great too. I've seen hate because it's a 2.0. Also not forced induction. It also lacks the "soul" of a real sports coupe.
I think of it as a manly Miata Coupe with more grunt under it's skirt.
However, let me ask you this - what would you take in the situation? Money not a factor. The Jetta, or a 328i?
For the better balanced chassis , I'm taking the 328i. Even it if means sacrificing a few HP down the line if you decided to reflash the Jetta.
Not trashing the guy for buying a Jetta - but his comments for justifying the purchase were pretty funny.
I still love cars. Buying a bike has made what I love about cars more clear to me. I love low, stiff, fast cars. I love them when they wrap around me tight. I love it when I am part of the car I am driving, when I know it well, when I can feel everything the engine and chassis are doing around me. I love to drive. Linking curves is intoxicating. The racing line is an addictive drug that I am not ashamed to chase. Big brakes and sticky tyres are the deciding factors for me.
This is interesting to me, because I discovered that I like sitting up on my bike, jumping curbs, and tearing up the lawn (sorry, work, I was lost on campus. I didn't realize that was grass there. I'll try to remember next time I get stuck inside after dark...exactly where those awesome patches are!!!!). Laying down on the tank does little to nothing for me. I like going slow and and going fast, doing figures and noodling around. I like suspension travel and being silly. Nubby is better than sticky. Brakes are still king.
So, by and large, I have finally separated out what I like and what I don't like, and in the process, discovered that I am more dimesional than I thought I was.
And I still love cars.
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That was me. I wasn't able to get out there this year. Too much traveling with work. Next year for sure.On another note - have you been over to Cars and Coffee lately? I remember seeing your wagon once or twice over the last year or so, I'm assuming that was you at least.
i kind of want to get into a car that i can have fun driving around. i can raise my Jetta but at the end of the day its still a 4 cylinder Jetta. but then i realize that i drive maybe 3000 miles a year so it makes no sense to spend money on a car.
-it isn't 300hp
-it isn't $20k (although damn close enough for me)
-there is no STi version on launch
-not enough torks yo
-TCL seems to hate N/A cars with less cylinders than fingers on fapping hand lately
-it isn't German
-the Toyota version will not be a Supra
-the US version will be badged as a Scion, and we are all fearing the ****ty commercials already
-it isn't American
-for a Japanese car, it isn't a Nissan or a Honda
-it's boxer powered
-it isn't as interesting looking as the concept (no ****)
-it is about the same weight and power of an E30 M3 (20 ****ing years later!)
-your move Hyundai/Kia (the Genesis is a fat pig now)
-it wasn't sculpted in an Italian design house half of TCL can't spell or pronounce correctly
-despite the naysayers predicting flop, I think over time many users in TCL will own one
-Toyota and Subaru should stick to what they are good at (Shomegrown )
-I want one
I think the Hyundai molester looks really cool IRL. Pictures definitely make it look worse.
Building off your post...it seems like there are a bunch of broke kids in TCL who lust over $5000 Miatas and 4.0s because they can actually own them in the near term. That, and there are a ton of people who are in the ~$20K budget range when car shopping. In other words, the Rich-off thread in here is the exception rather than the rule. This car is going to be one of the more accessible, NEW, performance cars out there that seems to be designed for enthusiasts, BY enthusiasts...yet people still manage to complain.
The entire TCL BRZ Torque thread belongs in the OT First World Problems thread.People have too many things to complain about.
Note: I still haven't seen the thread in question. I'm just referring to the fact that after a while, it just seems to be the same ol' stuff over and over. At least to me.