Anyone has any ideas on how long the lifespan is on Phaeton's air suspension? And anything we can do to maintain them? As the fleet ages, I am starting to think of these kinds of questions.
I guess invisiblewave means that there is nothing we are supposed to do it. It is supposed to last the lifetime of the car, and we just have to trust them on that. The fuid never needs changing and the air suspension nevers need maintaining. Until the day it does require some assistance in the form of replacement.
Who this week has a Passet CC - Phaeton in for warranty work on doors, all four coming off.
Thanks for the input guys, but the problem is, the ATF is not a "life time" item, please check out this post: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...fluid-(baloney
And I just changed ATF and fuel filter in my Phaeton, which are both claimed by VW "life time" item, so I am starting to think what is the next "life time" item
You can see my posts of ATF and fuel filter here:
That baloney thread refers to a completely different transmission, on a Beetle by the looks of it. Who manufactures the Beetle transmission? Compare the colour of the fluid coming out to the fluid that came out of your car, from the photo you posted yours looks like new. What happened to your transmission when you changed the fluid? Anybody can post anything on the internet, just because someone says VW are talking baloney doesn't make it so.
As far as the air suspension goes, and barring any physical damage, the worst enemy is the age of the rubber components. Just like any seal on a vehicle, it will be subject to failure with age. The bladders inside your air struts are like bicycle inner tubes. They will eventually develop tears due to constant friction an flexing.
According to the transmission manufacturer ZF, the ATF should be changed every 8 years on 80,000 KMs depends on the driving condition, please refer to this ZF document: http://www01apps.zf.com/kst464/ZF_In...011_en0700.pdf
I wasn't having problems before the ATF change, just change it as a preventative maintenance, as my car has 169,000 KMs on it. The tech worked on my car also told me the reason VW say ATF is a lifetime item simply because they want to sell more cars that way.
Phaeton is a luxery car, doesn't mean it's transmission is bullet proof, all fluids degrade over time, there is no such called life time fluid.
And changing ATF on Phaeton is not new, Michael changed the ATF on his car, there is post under TOC: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?2967745
Ok I'm planning to change my ATF . I'm seeing different numbers all over, flash controller or not. My local Canadian Tire shop has a "new" transmission flush machine, it uses the cooler lines to drain and add new fluid at the same time. I will follow the proper "top up" at 35*C. So what is the proper OEM ATF I should use, G055005A or the G052162A2? The shop listed the G052162A2 at 9.2l for my 6 speed V8, I thought this fluid was for the 5 speed W12.
I guess a view on the suspension life would be from the repair experiences of owners of high-mileage Phaetons (say 150k - 200k+ miles). Although that wouldn't really reflect materials ageing as such, only mechanical wear.Anyone has any ideas on how long the lifespan is on Phaeton's air suspension?
Does anyone know if similar struts were used before 2003 on (say) Quattros?
I've seen quoted G052162A2 for 5-speed ATF and G055005A2 for 6-speed ATF (in ETKA).So what is the proper OEM ATF I should use, G055005A or the G052162A2?
I'm still going to change mine, the odd unexpected slightly harsh shift means it could be worth it, if it's got to be 'serviced ' anyway at some time in the future...I now know I don't need to change my ATF!
I believe the Audi Quattros & Allroads have a distinctly different air shock. However, I believe the A8s come with air shocks pretty similar in design to those on the Phaeton. A casual view of one Audi A8 forum indicates a much higher failure rate for the compressor in this system rather than the air shocks themselves. Obviously the air shocks can fail, as we've had some evidence of this on our Phaetons. However, I believe VW designs them to last the life of the car, whatever that might mean - maybe 10 years or 100-150k miles. Nevertheless, if the mean failure rate is say, 10 years or 120k miles, many air struts will fail before that as we've seen.Does anyone know if similar struts were used before 2003 on (say) Quattros?
Since I have a 2004 model, most likely with the obsolete air shocks, my biggest concern is that mine will last so long that VW will cease helping owners with the policy of "owner pays for failed shock and VW pays for the other 3 plus the new controller."
I'm hoping VW will never totally eliminate this policy, but may require owners to pay an increased share of the expenses as time passes.
Ditto on the "help" from VW too. Half of me wants to drive hard, fail a shock, and get "help" on the total cost before it expires, and half of me keeps my fingers crossed that nothing will go wrong with the system for years to come.
How about applying some comfort therapy?
Put 18 month's depreciation into a bank deposit account, put the web address of the cheap Polish strut repair service on a fridge magnet, and forget about it.
You could have a lovely worry-free time until, say, the year 2021...
That's typical, I can't find the repair reference now!
But used struts are about $150 each, the 3D0 907 553 B controller about $60, all plus shipping and import taxes, so no cause for huge panic if you are OK with used parts for a used car.
But maybe that isn't quite as re-assuring as I had hoped!
There is a company in the US that is supposedly working or rebuilt units, Arnott Industries (I'm not affiliated). I've had some correspondence with them in the past asking if they were developing something for the Phaeton. They said they were and have recently introduced products for the Touareg family of cars.
The following is a link to a long lost post from a forum member who has done some extensive modifications to his suspension and has images showing the internals of the air strut (second image). I think it is the air spring gaiter typically fails.
Failure of air suspension components are enevitable no matter what make. Just check out the Mercedes, Land Rover, and Audi forums.