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      12-14-2011 09:06 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by SOAR View Post
      edit: nevermind... It is the exact same deal, right?
      Edit-I think so. NBA was just trying to get more.
      LAC got to keep Bledsoe. The NBA...er, I mean, the Hornets kept trying to get him in the deal.
      LAC also got back two future 2nd Rd picks from NOH.

      I think the Clippers did pretty good. You gotta give a little to get a little, and what did they really give? Kaman is expiring, and they have Jordon anyway. Aminu...meh. Eric Gordon's the biggest piece coming from LAC, and I'd do that for CP3. And the Minny pick will probably be high, but it's an unknown commodity. LAC has enough youth. CP3 gives them the kind of personality on the floor that can whip teammates into shape.
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    2. 12-14-2011 09:17 PM #27
      The Clips just went from ashy to classy.
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      12-14-2011 09:38 PM #28
      @alanhahn What Stern/NBA did was set a standard in trading a superstar: Demand more, don't let him dictate, don't wait until last minute
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      12-14-2011 09:56 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Big M View Post
      @alanhahn What Stern/NBA did was set a standard in trading a superstar: Demand more, don't let him dictate, don't wait until last minute


      Gimme a break.

      Am I the only person who thinks Odom, Scola, K-Mart, and Dragic was a better deal for the Hornets?

      Kaman is gone after this season, Gordon is a restricted free agent after this season, Aminu isn't a game changing player, and the draft pick is a dice roll. I just don't see how Gordon, and a dice roll are superior to the Laker trade.
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      12-14-2011 10:54 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by SOAR View Post


      Gimme a break.

      Am I the only person who thinks Odom, Scola, K-Mart, and Dragic was a better deal for the Hornets?
      I think that NOH would have been a better team instantly with the LAL trade but Stern wanted to set them up for the "future" (whatever that means). The only sure thing from the LAC trade is Gordon. Even if the Minnesota pick ends up being a top 5 pick, that pick is not guaranteed to pan out.

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      12-14-2011 11:51 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by stevedeezy View Post
      I think that NOH would have been a better team instantly with the LAL trade but Stern wanted to set them up for the "future" (whatever that means). The only sure thing from the LAC trade is Gordon. Even if the Minnesota pick ends up being a top 5 pick, that pick is not guaranteed to pan out.
      I agree. I threw that Alan Hahn tweet out there because it was an interesting take on it.
      But SOAR's right, the Laker trade was much, much better for NOH if you look at it in terms of "basketball reasons."

      The Clipper deal gives NOH a clean slate for new ownership to work with, which is Stern's state purpose.
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      12-15-2011 01:56 AM #33
      How does Chauncey Billups fit in with the Clippers now? And what was the point of getting him if they thought they had any chance at landing Chris Paul?

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      12-15-2011 05:51 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz27 View Post
      Here's to another year where Queen James doesn't get his ring.
      Lub it... so king without a RING.

      but, wouldn't be suprised if they take it all in this *asterisk shortened season which I think favors them.

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      12-15-2011 10:43 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by VDubStyle View Post
      Lub it... so king without a RING.

      but, wouldn't be suprised if they take it all in this *asterisk shortened season which I think favors them.
      Who the hell is saying this season means less since it's shorter?
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      12-15-2011 10:53 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by stevedeezy View Post
      I think that NOH would have been a better team instantly with the LAL trade but Stern wanted to set them up for the "future" (whatever that means). The only sure thing from the LAC trade is Gordon. Even if the Minnesota pick ends up being a top 5 pick, that pick is not guaranteed to pan out.
      Yeah, but where exactly are they going to go with the original trade lineup? Be stuck in that awkward limbo of being good enough to make the playoffs but no where near good enough to actually contend for the title? I say get Eric Gordan, keep the other guys as trade bait or use them as cheap role players, and keep a potentially top 5 draft pick in a pretty deep draft.
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      12-15-2011 11:10 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by stevedeezy View Post
      I think that NOH would have been a better team instantly with the LAL trade but Stern wanted to set them up for the "future" (whatever that means). The only sure thing from the LAC trade is Gordon. Even if the Minnesota pick ends up being a top 5 pick, that pick is not guaranteed to pan out.

      I like this deal better for NOH. Younger talent. More upside. Better financially... and the rich don't get richer

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      12-15-2011 11:19 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by eddie291 View Post
      Yeah, but where exactly are they going to go with the original trade lineup? Be stuck in that awkward limbo of being good enough to make the playoffs but no where near good enough to actually contend for the title?
      now they're in the awkward limbo of being a playoff team or a lottery team. after listening to more reports about the trade, it makes a lot more sense financially for NOH going forward.

      as a laker fan, i'm not mad that the original CP3 trade fell through (i never liked the idea of trading 2 really good bigs for 1 all star PG), moreso that the trade details leaked and Odom then got butthurt and requested a trade.

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      12-15-2011 11:53 AM #39
      Odom probably happy hes leaving Kobe

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      12-15-2011 12:12 PM #40
      Rip Hamilton sign with Chicago.

      B. Davis got waived by the Cavs. Where do you guys think he will end up?? Hopefully not the Heats.
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      12-15-2011 12:45 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by .:3513 View Post
      Rip Hamilton sign with Chicago.

      B. Davis got waived by the Cavs. Where do you guys think he will end up?? Hopefully not the Heats.
      Good signing for Chicago.

      I don't see any of the teams under the cap rolling the dice on a Baron Davis who is out for 8-10 weeks. It doesn't make sense for the Knicks to sign him since they just signed Bibby so I guess that leaves the Heat and the Lakers. And we all know that Davis likes Los Angeles.

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      12-15-2011 12:52 PM #42
      Jeff Green with a possible serious health issue. Hope everything is ok but he hasn't practiced at all this camp. Doc and Danny A. are very sneaky about this too. Little nervous since we paid him 9mil this year.

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      12-15-2011 01:59 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0smurf View Post
      Jeff Green with a possible serious health issue. Hope everything is ok but he hasn't practiced at all this camp. Doc and Danny A. are very sneaky about this too. Little nervous since we paid him 9mil this year.
      Yikes, I just read the article. The way they are dancing around it makes it sound like he has cancer or something.

      "It's not fair for me to share Jeff's information right now."

      That's the most worrying quote from Ainge right there.

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      12-15-2011 02:07 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by SOAR View Post
      Yikes, I just read the article. The way they are dancing around it makes it sound like he has cancer or something.

      "It's not fair for me to share Jeff's information right now."

      That's the most worrying quote from Ainge right there.
      It sounds a lot like what the UFC was saying when Brock Lesnar had Diverticulitis.

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      12-15-2011 03:40 PM #45
      Jamal Crawford just signed with the Blazers.

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      12-15-2011 03:54 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by eddie291 View Post
      Who the hell is saying this season means less since it's shorter?
      no one. he certainly didnt.


      was hoping Crawford would come back to the Knicks but their offer was the lowest money wise.

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      12-15-2011 04:00 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by SOAR View Post
      Jamal Crawford just signed with the Blazers.
      Seems like everyone but the Lakers are making somewhat big moves this offseason. I was hoping that Crawford would end up signing with the Lakers to play behind Kobe.

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      12-15-2011 04:01 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryan D View Post
      Seems like everyone but the Lakers are making somewhat big moves this offseason. I was hoping that Crawford would end up signing with the Lakers to play behind Kobe.
      Sounds like he was pretty excited about heading to Portland... I wonder if he wanted to get closer to home(Seattle)?

      He would be a decent 6th man for the Lakers though, especially considering they just gave theirs away.

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      12-15-2011 09:48 PM #49
      I enjoyed this article.
      Conflicts of interest, shady dealings, etc.
      http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...d_stern_121511
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      12-15-2011 11:09 PM #50
      http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...rn=nba-wp11862

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