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      12-17-2011 12:07 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by pete@integrated View Post
      I think it will be easy. Expensive, but easy. I already have customers doing over 1000 whp on 1.8t's, and this engine is basically superior in every way. Where it is not, it's straight forward to fix.

      If the cranks don't hold up I will make 4340 billets. /story.

      If the block doesn't hold up, get a TT-RS block, which has more webbing.
      ETA on your valve covers? I need to get rid of the EJ crap. Its causing more problems again. Im gonna destroy it tomorrow I think
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      12-17-2011 12:21 PM #37
      I think the cost to get a 2.7 crank cut out of 4340 would run as much as this whole build haha

      Kevin, quit pestering yhe man about valve covers. Pester him about cams instead. Priorities
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      12-17-2011 12:46 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Pat @ Pitt Soundworks View Post
      I think the cost to get a 2.7 crank cut out of 4340 would run as much as this whole build haha

      Kevin, quit pestering yhe man about valve covers. Pester him about cams instead. Priorities
      Pester about both. They are equally needed by me
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      12-17-2011 12:51 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by pete@integrated View Post
      Also, sleeving it won't help you get to a bigger displacement. I could fairly easily make a 2.7L crank, but you don't need more then 2.5L for 1000 awhp anyways.
      Hmm. So you could do a stroker kit for an NA build? How far could you go?

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      12-17-2011 01:32 PM #40
      2.7 would be pushing the limit of that block, unless you want to get really really really brave and do a deck plate. (You don't).

      Kevin, not to go OT but what problems are you having with the eurojet cover?

      The cranks wouldn't be too bad but I would have to be really convinced there is a market because the game starts at ~50 pieces, and there is a fair bit of design work too.
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      12-17-2011 01:56 PM #41
      We both know that wont happen. Vortex is the place where awesome group buys go to die. A 2500$ crankshaft for this engine would go nowhere besides to the sponsored, stupid, and foolish.

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      We don't do group buys anyways because we don't sell product that doesn't exist. There is too much risk to the consumer that it will fall through and leave a large group of customers unsatisfied.
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      12-17-2011 04:05 PM #43
      Pete I pm'd you the issues Im experiencing. Let me know if there is anything you think I cant do to solve my problem and keep the vc on
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      12-18-2011 02:39 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Not gonna happen. Sorry.
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      12-18-2011 11:07 PM #45
      1000+hp 2.2 liters are fairly common these days. What's to say the 2.5 can't make that kind of power?

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      12-21-2011 12:08 AM #46
      no more ALH 20V?
      This is a smarter move anyway. I am going to start my build soon , just waiting on this 02M gear kit to come in. Wanted to have custom ratio's so that we could swap out boxes for different set ups

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      12-21-2011 06:04 AM #47
      Nop, and I agree. Just glad I changed my mind before getting too onvolved in machine work. As is, what I have collected thus far can still be used here, and what can't can go on my scirocco.

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      12-21-2011 10:19 AM #48
      Sucribed.

      I hate volkswagen for not selling this engine here in europe
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      12-21-2011 11:21 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by 06_JETTA_MASTER View Post
      Nice post
      I look forward to eating my words Want to see 1000awhp on a dyno graph, not 600 with a description saying 1000awhp capable once we add more boost and situate fueling And not 1000whp with Haldex fuse out.
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      12-21-2011 12:29 PM #50
      Or bust. I have no intentions of falsifying anything, or fudging the numbers. If it only makes 6, then something will have to change until it hits the mark or blows up on a horrific fireball.

      I have all the time in the world to fix and/or upgrade whatever breaks.

      If I run out of fuel with id2000s and a 2500hp capable fuel pump, eiher well be at 1400awhp or something is going to be seriously wrong. Since I dont currently intend on buying a turbo that big (yet) it'll be the later.

      With that asside, I just received the quote for the clutch. 7" triple disk.

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      12-22-2011 01:52 PM #51
      i love seeing people building up our engine. looking forward to seeing where this goes.

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      12-22-2011 02:17 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      I look forward to eating my words Want to see 1000awhp on a dyno graph, not 600 with a description saying 1000awhp capable once we add more boost and situate fueling And not 1000whp with Haldex fuse out.
      Why all this negativity from you? Either support, add some info, or don't hit the reply button; it's really that simple.
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      12-22-2011 03:11 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by 06_JETTA_MASTER View Post
      Why all this negativity from you? Either support, add some info, or don't hit the reply button; it's really that simple.
      I dunno, every interesting story needs the antagonist to balance the protagonist.

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      12-23-2011 01:36 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by zevion View Post
      I dunno, every interesting story needs the antagonist to balance the protagonist.
      Well I just find it ignorant and immature.


      BTW that theory applies to kids books only
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      12-23-2011 10:32 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by 06_JETTA_MASTER View Post
      Well I just find it ignorant and immature.

      BTW that theory applies to kids books only
      Relax, it's all in good fun. KFS is a big fan of this setup and I'm sure he'd love to see it happen.

      Not to mention some people can use a little flame to get them to do crazier things just to prove other people wrong...

      Quote Originally Posted by Pat @ Pitt Soundworks View Post
      Or bust. I have no intentions of falsifying anything, or fudging the numbers. If it only makes 6, then something will have to change until it hits the mark or blows up on a horrific fireball.
      I would love to see this. Not so much the fireball... more just the putting all the work in necessary to achieve your goal. If it doesn't succeed, it'll go out in a blaze of glory. It's sad to see projects die in a corner, covered in dust. Give it your all, and if the fker blows up, so be it.

      Like my uncles 91 (I think) Red 300zx convertible that overheated and caught fire on a NYC freeway, while it was snowing out. That man had a goal. Sure, it wasn't ridiculous amounts of horsepower from his stock N/A engine. He was going to get home and a little smoke from the engine wasn't going to stop him...
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      12-23-2011 11:32 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Pat @ Pitt Soundworks View Post
      Nop, and I agree. Just glad I changed my mind before getting too onvolved in machine work. As is, what I have collected thus far can still be used here, and what can't can go on my scirocco.

      You could always get 81mm bore pistons from a 2.0 8V TDI PD Motor and sell the bottom end to someone on clubtdi

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      12-24-2011 12:20 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by cracKness View Post
      Relax, it's all in good fun. KFS is a big fan of this setup and I'm sure he'd love to see it happen.

      Not to mention some people can use a little flame to get them to do crazier things just to prove other people wrong...



      I would love to see this. Not so much the fireball... more just the putting all the work in necessary to achieve your goal. If it doesn't succeed, it'll go out in a blaze of glory. It's sad to see projects die in a corner, covered in dust. Give it your all, and if the fker blows up, so be it.

      Like my uncles 91 (I think) Red 300zx convertible that overheated and caught fire on a NYC freeway, while it was snowing out. That man had a goal. Sure, it wasn't ridiculous amounts of horsepower from his stock N/A engine. He was going to get home and a little smoke from the engine wasn't going to stop him...
      This. I feel as if its all talk. So I'm taking it as such till I'm shown results. I'm not flaming the op in any way that will come from the r32 guys when they see it. Less talk more build.
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    23. 12-24-2011 03:41 AM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Pat @ Pitt Soundworks View Post
      I was looking in to sleeves for a 1.8t build. The only thing I came across was repair sleeving. Punching the block to 83.5 will get you about .06 liter the 2.5. Edit, math to words

      I see it as possible. We have 8vs pushing 600, 1.8ts over 1000, that vr6 corrado is aroubd 1200 on meth. That 3.6 over 1000 with a gt42r. All wheel. The only aftermarket cranks I know of are eurospec and well..... lol

      As far as I can see, only thing holding this engine back is camshafts.

      That 3.6 over 1100 with a gt45r. All wheel. i helped you with the wrong numbers

      Anyway.. go on with the build,if you can hold this engine together you can reach 1000 on it.. i would go with at pt4276 billet instead and a girdle would help you a lot! good luck
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      12-24-2011 09:54 PM #59
      My bad. I was unaware

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      12-27-2011 09:27 PM #60
      Non-update. Flying home on the second. Teardown on the third. Fly back out on the fourth.

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      12-27-2011 10:20 PM #61
      please post lots of pics!

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      12-28-2011 04:05 PM #62
      Edit: any newer revisions of the mk5 bentley? I can only find 05/06
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    28. 12-30-2011 12:26 AM #63
      To be honest i would love to see this happen its really a great goal and if the old 2.2 5cly did it then why not the newer ones. Btw i my self will be doing a balls to the wall 2.5 mk3 but no boost and goal is N/A 300whp some say its a crazy idea as well but from one 2.5 build to another best of luck
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      12-30-2011 01:05 AM #64
      So if putting sleeves in is out of the question, I guess blue printing and balancing is gonna have to take the big toll of keeping everything happy? Honestly i thought 600 was a big goal, can't wait to see the progress and build. This is all relatively new to me so always up for learning, not as easy building a v8 for big numbers like im used to

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      12-30-2011 03:42 AM #65
      pat, what do you need?? if possible, i'll send you the PDF.

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      12-31-2011 12:38 PM #66
      Can anyone do me a quock favor and measure the center to center of the passenger side engine mount bolts. I was not sent the mount bar with the motor, and from the pictures I can dig up, it looks like a mk4 mount would bolt right up to that bar.

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      01-02-2012 01:13 AM #67
      Subd to see where this goes...

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      01-03-2012 12:14 AM #68
      Got home, first wave of parts that have come in for the R. (bumpers not shown)


      And a 400whp 425wtq kit for my DD saab 9-3, as well as some replacement stereo stuff I blew up.


      Got a few pieces in for the Scirocco, too, but nothing to write home about. SS clutch line and walbro inline.

      Tomorrow, after a visit with my surgeon, it's off to pick up the tranny, stop at the vw dealer, junk yard, some other errands, and then tear down time. Did a quick one-over of the engine. It's definitely there.
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      01-04-2012 11:21 AM #70
      The whole trip home was a total wash, with the exception of picking up the transmission and seeing my friends. I got a little work done, but not completely torn down like I was hoping to. Granted, I didn't get started on it until about 11pm, and gave up around 2am. Without a bentley and the large enough bits, I couldn't strip the timing chains. Also, VW's fetish with 12-point screws on this motor is ****ing ridiculous. Using the right bit, about 75% of the 12 points stripped out; had to rely on the old "pound a six-point bit in 'ere with a hammer" trick. I'm going to have to find some six-points to replace all those with.

      starting out:


      This was where I got to when my buddy said "Pat, good luck, but **** this stupid motor. If this were a 1.8t we'd be at the bare block by now. This is stupid. I'm going home"




      And here's how I put her aside last night.




      I could have gone farther with the timing chains, I bet, but like I said, without a bentley in hand, I didn't want to push it.
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