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      12-17-2011 11:06 AM #26
      Sounds like its gonna be an EXTREME build, but def can't wait to see. Def. gonna require alot into the engine itself, and if going just force induction, a good amount of boost. I was planning on building a 5-600hp 2.5 build in the future, but def wanna see what it takes to make power in that range

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      12-17-2011 11:09 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by zevion View Post
      I can't say for sure it's possible, but perhaps sleeve the block and overbore? Has it been done? How far can you take a 2.5L? Maybe to 2.7+?
      I dont believe there is enough material between each cylinder to do a sleeved overbore. ~.1l max imo. Curious though, because the new s/c I got should make around 360-480hp depending on pulley used, so idk maybe this is possible.
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      12-17-2011 11:47 AM #28
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      12-17-2011 11:53 AM #29
      I was looking in to sleeves for a 1.8t build. The only thing I came across was repair sleeving. Punching the block to 83.5 will get you about .06 liter the 2.5. Edit, math to words

      I see it as possible. We have 8vs pushing 600, 1.8ts over 1000, that vr6 corrado is aroubd 1200 on meth. That 3.6 over 1000 with a gt42r. All wheel. The only aftermarket cranks I know of are eurospec and well..... lol

      As far as I can see, only thing holding this engine back is camshafts.
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      12-17-2011 11:55 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by thygreyt View Post
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      12-17-2011 11:57 AM #31
      Idk you have a lot of work, time, and money to put into this build. We'll see what happens
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      12-17-2011 12:03 PM #32
      I think it will be easy. Expensive, but easy. I already have customers doing over 1000 whp on 1.8t's, and this engine is basically superior in every way. Where it is not, it's straight forward to fix.

      If the cranks don't hold up I will make 4340 billets. /story.

      If the block doesn't hold up, get a TT-RS block, which has more webbing.
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      12-17-2011 12:03 PM #33
      I have lots of the first two, and enough of the third.

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      12-17-2011 12:06 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by pete@integrated View Post
      I think it will be easy. Expensive, but easy. I already have customers doing over 1000 whp on 1.8t's, and this engine is basically superior in every way. Where it is not, it's straight forward to fix.

      If the cranks don't hold up I will make 4340 billets. /story.

      If the block doesn't hold up, get a TT-RS block, which has more webbing.
      Straight from the horses mouth. How bout dem cams? Lol

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      12-17-2011 12:07 PM #35
      Also, sleeving it won't help you get to a bigger displacement. I could fairly easily make a 2.7L crank, but you don't need more then 2.5L for 1000 awhp anyways.
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      12-17-2011 12:07 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by pete@integrated View Post
      I think it will be easy. Expensive, but easy. I already have customers doing over 1000 whp on 1.8t's, and this engine is basically superior in every way. Where it is not, it's straight forward to fix.

      If the cranks don't hold up I will make 4340 billets. /story.

      If the block doesn't hold up, get a TT-RS block, which has more webbing.
      ETA on your valve covers? I need to get rid of the EJ crap. Its causing more problems again. Im gonna destroy it tomorrow I think
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      12-17-2011 12:21 PM #37
      I think the cost to get a 2.7 crank cut out of 4340 would run as much as this whole build haha

      Kevin, quit pestering yhe man about valve covers. Pester him about cams instead. Priorities
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      12-17-2011 12:46 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Pat @ Pitt Soundworks View Post
      I think the cost to get a 2.7 crank cut out of 4340 would run as much as this whole build haha

      Kevin, quit pestering yhe man about valve covers. Pester him about cams instead. Priorities
      Pester about both. They are equally needed by me
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      12-17-2011 12:51 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by pete@integrated View Post
      Also, sleeving it won't help you get to a bigger displacement. I could fairly easily make a 2.7L crank, but you don't need more then 2.5L for 1000 awhp anyways.
      Hmm. So you could do a stroker kit for an NA build? How far could you go?

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      12-17-2011 01:32 PM #40
      2.7 would be pushing the limit of that block, unless you want to get really really really brave and do a deck plate. (You don't).

      Kevin, not to go OT but what problems are you having with the eurojet cover?

      The cranks wouldn't be too bad but I would have to be really convinced there is a market because the game starts at ~50 pieces, and there is a fair bit of design work too.
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      12-17-2011 01:56 PM #41
      We both know that wont happen. Vortex is the place where awesome group buys go to die. A 2500$ crankshaft for this engine would go nowhere besides to the sponsored, stupid, and foolish.

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      12-17-2011 03:51 PM #42
      We don't do group buys anyways because we don't sell product that doesn't exist. There is too much risk to the consumer that it will fall through and leave a large group of customers unsatisfied.
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      12-17-2011 04:05 PM #43
      Pete I pm'd you the issues Im experiencing. Let me know if there is anything you think I cant do to solve my problem and keep the vc on
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      12-18-2011 02:39 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Not gonna happen. Sorry.
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      12-18-2011 11:07 PM #45
      1000+hp 2.2 liters are fairly common these days. What's to say the 2.5 can't make that kind of power?

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      12-21-2011 12:08 AM #46
      no more ALH 20V?
      This is a smarter move anyway. I am going to start my build soon , just waiting on this 02M gear kit to come in. Wanted to have custom ratio's so that we could swap out boxes for different set ups

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      12-21-2011 06:04 AM #47
      Nop, and I agree. Just glad I changed my mind before getting too onvolved in machine work. As is, what I have collected thus far can still be used here, and what can't can go on my scirocco.

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      12-21-2011 10:19 AM #48
      Sucribed.

      I hate volkswagen for not selling this engine here in europe
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      12-21-2011 11:21 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by 06_JETTA_MASTER View Post
      Nice post
      I look forward to eating my words Want to see 1000awhp on a dyno graph, not 600 with a description saying 1000awhp capable once we add more boost and situate fueling And not 1000whp with Haldex fuse out.
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      12-21-2011 12:29 PM #50
      Or bust. I have no intentions of falsifying anything, or fudging the numbers. If it only makes 6, then something will have to change until it hits the mark or blows up on a horrific fireball.

      I have all the time in the world to fix and/or upgrade whatever breaks.

      If I run out of fuel with id2000s and a 2500hp capable fuel pump, eiher well be at 1400awhp or something is going to be seriously wrong. Since I dont currently intend on buying a turbo that big (yet) it'll be the later.

      With that asside, I just received the quote for the clutch. 7" triple disk.

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