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      01-05-2012 12:50 PM #1
      OK, so I entered the gang of old turbocharged typ 85 owners this autumn. To avoid cluttering up the urquattro picture thread, I thought I'd do some small thread for the car itself here. Nothing major changes will be done though...

      The car itself is originally a 1988 Quattro from Switzerland, and holds the downgraded WX engine at 162~165 hp, black leather interior, Steingrau color. Originally...

      At some point, a previous German owner sent the car to Lehmann Motorentechnik. If you don't know Lehmann, the hints are that Lehmann is (the?) Audi Sport engine provider, also valid back in the days of Röhrl and the rest. Here they built the engine into a 2.2L and featuring some Group A (and B) parts, and general Lehmann work at the head. Nothing over the top here, as the original CIS is still in place, but the fun of it combined with my dedicated interest in the old Audi rallyes made it an easy choice. Also being non-EU, actually picking this up was a nice deal compared to importing a similar specimen from Germany or Switzerland.

      So what were the downsides?
      On an old lady like this, there are always some bits and pieces not up to standards. The car is resprayed, but OK, it is not 100% original either with the Lehmann work done. The antenna doesn't go all the way. The amber turns were swapped for repro white ones, and the previous owner did the classic mistake of mounting bigger speakers, and the Polk items looks horrible! The Ronals were swapped for Compomotives in OEM-dimension, as "they're the ones used on the rally cars". The whole idea he had of these cars were just so silly for a urq/sq lover as myself. At that note, he also fitted EBC yellow(?)stuff pads that are sh!t on normal road use, and the handbrake cables are worn/stretched. Luckily, I am sourcing parts as a badger in may!



      Quote Originally Posted by Sepp View Post
      Is that a custom ordered plate provided by your vehicle registration department?
      If not, are you able to run a replica plate on the front of your car? In the States, and Canada, certain areas allow for this.
      In Norway the first letters in the road legal plates are related to areas the car is registered. Unlike in Germany, these stay with the car throught its lifespan, and they are selectable. Funnily enough, the previous owner resided in that area where they have "UR" - a desired option for imported urquattros all over the country. So the IN-LA 22 plates are showplates, you are not allowed to utilize these at all on the road, as one can be faced with falsification charges.





      Future plans?
      Yes... First of all I want to find all the tiny hard to find bits to get it going in a look I like. Amber turns are sourced and bought, the same a NOS Votex antenna, handbrake cables and other bits. I did borrow a center shaft from an Audi A4 quattro Supertouring, and did measure it to see if it is applicable with the 016 urquattro drivetrain. No idea so far...but the shaft weighet 4100 grams with its carbon weave/titanium construction.



      From a friendship, where I somewhat supported with details in the restoration of two old rallye Quattros and a finished rallye Sport Quattro, I hope to get some input on the rallycar shafts. Also on its way from Germany are some Die Wethje parts.

      If the CIS goes, I think I'll do a 300hp "Gr A" Motronic...
      Thanks for tuning in!

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      01-08-2012 10:52 AM #2
      Thats sweet.
      I love the square but round look with the EURO lights.

      Very Smooth car.

    3. 01-08-2012 09:19 PM #3
      I think you are being too hard on the imperfections...that car looks great.

      I may have missed pictures in the other thread. How about a side shot showing the Compomotives?

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      01-09-2012 12:51 PM #4
      Not being hard on it that cars the sh*t.

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      01-09-2012 02:22 PM #5
      Thanks guys.
      The whole thing is that the urquattro is an ICON. When people messes it up with alterations not thought through, it is simply bugging me. Luckily, they are more or less reversable.

      I like the looks of it, but getting the amber turns on in front did a whole lot. The picture of the grey one in The picture thread totally convinced me of that. Here are some detail shots, inclusive the almost-same-nyance-Compomotives from when I picked it up in October.









      Picked up a new expansion tank today at the dealer, got new handbrake wires, and other bits and pieces already aquired.
      Uhm yeah, also having the rallye inlet parts on its way...

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      01-10-2012 09:37 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by teach2 View Post
      I think you are being too hard on the imperfections...that car looks great.

      I may have missed pictures in the other thread. How about a side shot showing the Compomotives?
      I know what is was I have not realy seen those,I love how it looks.I want one,I just got to get the
      money.And find some room for my scirocco's.

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      01-13-2012 04:59 PM #7
      Thanks guys.

      The compomotives might be sold, or kept for some playful winterrubber (icespikeeds or studded ones perhaps?).
      I am looking into rallye bits, unsure what to seek for. Just collecting them has some value...
      This car would look killer on the metal finish works Fuchs wheels!

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      01-26-2012 11:39 AM #8
      Nothing new in particular with the car itself, just charging the battery a bit by driving on fresh powder snow gently around neighboring streets.
      But I have aquired some parts, and I am really looking forward to sorting out the horrible brakes and mounting a functioning NOS Votex antenna.
      Swapping for a white expansion tank could brush up the enginebay aswell!



      After the feedback I got on the engine, I have moderated my plans for it consideratly.
      On a general basis, I suspect this engine to be quite like the 2.1L 238hp one in the 1987 Audi 200 Group A car, without knowing for sure ofcourse.
      But it was too late for parts on its way. Anybody recognizing this part?


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      02-11-2012 01:28 PM #9
      No suggestions on the part above?

      Either way, it seems the Trans Am has the basic Bosch unit for boost, so I think I'll get the uprated 2.7T / 225hp 1.8T unit into mine aswell, instead of the nasty Samco one.


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      02-11-2012 08:00 PM #10
      Beautiful car....Can you tell me what the paint color code is?
      ,.!..


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      04-11-2012 10:49 AM #12
      Anyone seen any black-only inlet-hose for the 10VT?

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      04-19-2012 12:17 AM #13
      Last I heard 034 had black hoses for sale!
      Stretched, poke, rubbed......sounds like a porn stars butt hole.

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      04-27-2012 03:38 PM #14
      Yeah it seems to be the best option except the original ones...

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      07-10-2012 08:45 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Sepp View Post
      Last I heard 034 had black hoses for sale!
      I assume the "teardrop" hos of 034 fits all 10VT engines?

      I also experienced flooring the brake pedal, shortly followed by a locking passenger side calipper.
      The car now resides at VW/Audi, where some elderly VW mechanic (with own urquattro) mends it.
      Seems like one cracked brakehose up front, two bulgeing ones at the rear, and a pipe in dire ned of change.

      Been searching for OEM turnsignales for a long while, but I gave in and ordered a set of repros of eBay.
      Anybody else in here have tried these? I am tired of the whites with amber up front.


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      07-15-2012 05:21 AM #16
      Got news from the workshop that the brake regulating valve (??) had rusted and was not able to be mended. Autohaus AZ and 034 came up as suppliers, so I opted for 034 as they also have the black silicone inlet-hose, and purchased the brake accumulator and some NGK sparks aswell.

      Only thing though, is that 034 doesn't stock the OE parts, so dashing out $200+ for UPS doesn't pay of that much.
      Great selection and fast response on email/feedback though, but they could've mentioned about the OE parts somewhere - after all I am suppose to get this half way across the globe!

      Had a lucky find on eBay aswell, as a pair of the higher-level Polk Audio 6x9 speaker mesh was available for $18 for a pair. PO naturally had the stereo specialist cut into the metal works of the over the trunk, so it is time to clean up the sh!tty looking ones I have and get the shelf lookin all-black, and avoid any further adaption to other 6x9s.


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      08-07-2012 05:00 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Sepp View Post
      Last I heard 034 had black hoses for sale!
      I don't think the MC inlet hose is suitable for 2144ccm WR or WX engines atleast, as I struggle to see any teardropped shape of the upper inlet fixture, nor has it the length that is needed. Oh well...

      Totally different case:
      I notice the oil temp LED-gauge is either dead (at 0 degrees) or settles at approx 130 degree celsius, which is alarmingly high. Can this be a faulty temp sensor, and where is it located? The idea of getting VDO instruments etc to match - as I have analogue, red dials - is present. On that note, is there at all any non-flashy-****uped-looking broadband lambda measuring meters on the market? edit: AEM seems to have one possibility.

      Else, I managed to score this one. Hope transaction and transport and EVERYTHING goes well..!
      In case you are wondering, it is a 85mm stroker crank found in Audi S1 and 90 IMSA GTO, so I should be able to create an IMSA-like based on RR/AAN/ADU/ABY engine block to get 2190ccm.

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      08-09-2012 08:34 AM #19
      New image today from seller, looks like it is stamped 11.85, so I guess Audi S1 item.


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      08-09-2012 01:57 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by WAUOla View Post
      I notice the oil temp LED-gauge is either dead (at 0 degrees) or settles at approx 130 degree celsius, which is alarmingly high. Can this be a faulty temp sensor, and where is it located? The idea of getting VDO instruments etc to match - as I have analogue, red dials - is present. On that note, is there at all any non-flashy-****uped-looking broadband lambda measuring meters on the market? edit: AEM seems to have one possibility.
      The gauge itself could be faulty. A member of the Bavarian Urquattro club has specialised on fixing these digigauges. Maybe you should contact him?

      BUC: Tacho und elektronikreparaturen

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      Wow, that's a really nice car man. We'd love to feature it along with some of its history sometime.

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      09-09-2012 06:24 PM #22
      Out shooting today...



      As I got the IMSA crankshaft, I am thinking about building a sort of Sport Quattro engine.
      Basis would be 2190cm² in normal cast-iron block, standard head and KW style exhaust manifold (if not getting a Wagner for K24/26 flange). Theoretically limited at 8500 rpms.

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      09-28-2012 03:44 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by WAUOla View Post
      As I got the IMSA crankshaft, I am thinking about building a sort of Sport Quattro engine.
      Basis would be 2190cm² in normal cast-iron block, standard head and KW style exhaust manifold (if not getting a Wagner for K24/26 flange). Theoretically limited at 8500 rpms.
      No big news actually, but I'm getting a Sport Quattro turbo to match with the original exhaust manifold.
      Will try to get some ideas of figures from James B, but I believe this is capable of 450hp on 1.3BARg.
      But look at the graphs anno 1983, my Lehmann 10V has more torque, and it drops at top rpm - how will this be on a valver? Don't know, but the K27 turbo is according to rallye documentations atleast.


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      10-20-2012 05:49 PM #24
      James (Fusilier) has such a great writeup on the old style KKKs on his homepage, so I will not elaborate further over this. The thing I can say however is that I am a bit puzzled that the in-port of the K26/24-7200 RS2 unit has a straigh inlet port, whereas this K27 has a coned one from approx 62 to 46mm.

      Note how the backplate also has the K28 numbers. Sadly no idea what these represent though.



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      12-08-2012 07:54 PM #25
      Nothing much going on, but managed to get featured in our club's mag.
      So that is like 4500 copies going around.


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      From a friendship, where I somewhat supported with details in the restoration of two old rallye Quattros and a finished rallye Sport Quattro, I hope to get some input on the rallycar shafts. Also on its way from Germany are some Die Wethje parts.

      holy **** that shaft is awesome,do you think he has got anotherone?,i would love to use that for my audi 80 competition

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      03-10-2013 06:17 AM #28
      I believe a lot of spares are for sale, as they also purchased some S2000 cars for more fun-activities.

      Not sure on pictures gone missing, or if I just forgot to present the ones we shot for the magazine.
      So here goes!








      edit: look how aweful those speakers look! 1. pri to change them out with something more descrete.
      Been thinking of Infinity 693.11 or what they're called, a bit of oldskool plastics look.

      Purchases Samco induction kit, but it's not to my taste with black/red brick color combination.
      eBay add even stated available in brick red only, so there's a hot tip for you!

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      03-19-2013 11:29 AM #29
      Very nice man!!!!
      Stretched, poke, rubbed......sounds like a porn stars butt hole.

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      03-23-2013 05:46 PM #30
      Thanks Sepp.

      I want to tighten the undercarriage of the car, so open to any good ideas for getting bushings and whatnot.

    29. 04-14-2013 07:40 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by WAUOla View Post
      The car is resprayed,
      Any idee what color that is. ?
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      04-15-2013 11:09 AM #32
      Yes... Steingrau Metallic (as the thread states).

    31. 04-16-2013 12:10 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by WAUOla View Post
      Yes... Steingrau Metallic (as the thread states).
      THX, must overread that.
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      04-16-2013 10:54 AM #34
      Might be some parts (rear spoiler?) being painted, but generally it has only gotten a round of clear coat. Over the stripes and such "of course".

      Trying to sort out some "upgrades" to get a tighter steering and driving feel to the car.
      The old rubber from 1988 might need some swaps to do that...
      So are "we" all purchasing from seekparts24?


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