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    Thread: VRT stripped third. Now what?

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      01-08-2012 02:00 AM #1
      I figured I would ask my questions in here since FI guys seem to be the ones that break gears.
      So I broke third when I was giving my buddy a ride in my car. Hit a slight bump when the boost was coming on and now my trans sounds like rocks in a dryer. I drove the car back to my place, about 1 mile or so. I have never had this issue before so my question is this trans worth fixing? Should I just replace third or just swap my LSD into another trans. What are your guys experiences with using a trans that ate a gear? Does it wipe out all the bearings? TIA
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      01-08-2012 02:26 AM #2
      i have done this twice n both was from a small dip on the road(not a bump or pothole) while on boost on the highway lol... so i bought another trans to replace it each time...

      i bet the inside of your trans look like this


      buy another stock trans and swap the diff in...

      goodluck
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      01-08-2012 02:30 AM #3
      Good think I got another trans, lol. The spare has a slight fourth gear grind but maybe I can fix it when its apart. So you think the trans is efed, not worth fixing?

      You sheared the teeth right off, lol.
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      01-08-2012 02:31 AM #4
      its good for spare parts
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      01-08-2012 02:33 AM #5
      Thanks, guess I know what I am doing tomorrow. Clean a greasy nasty trans and taking it apart, not fun.
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      01-08-2012 03:02 AM #6
      Yep, that's what it looks like...

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      01-08-2012 03:34 AM #7
      Another sacrifice for the vrt gods...
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      01-08-2012 03:47 AM #8
      you wont know until you tear it apart. it may all be fine, or there may be additional damage on the other gears from the contamination.

      bridge expansion joints and small bumps are tranny killers though. dont boost on them.

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      01-08-2012 03:53 AM #9
      Yeah, funny you say that because I am usually very careful about that. Guess I didn't see that bump this time. This trans got its use though, it has like 80 passes on slicks with enough power to do some damage.

      Learn from me fellow VRT owners, DO NOT boost over bumps in the road! Gears will be killed.
      I check it out after I swap the trans to the backup, thanks
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      01-08-2012 04:24 AM #10
      Turn down the boost mid gear and make less torque
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      01-08-2012 01:00 PM #11
      All I need is a Hallman Pro with the cable, lol.
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      01-08-2012 01:14 PM #12
      adjust boost mid gear
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      01-08-2012 01:29 PM #13
      I need the rare and expensive Instability boost controller system.
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      01-08-2012 03:39 PM #14
      Just did the same things in my aba16vt.. beating on her in 3rd and was peddaling it hit a lil dip in the road and it bent bye bye..
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      01-08-2012 05:52 PM #15
      I know i have beat this trans, just surprised this little bump did it in. I have two spare transmissions, but both need a new 3/4 slider. one grinds third and the other grinds fourth. Anyone have a good 3/4 slider they want to sell? PM if you got one.
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      01-09-2012 02:07 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by GinsterMan98 View Post
      I need the rare and expensive Instability boost controller system.
      A good boost controller goes a long way when you don't have an ECU that can control boost. AVC-R II works pretty well and can be had for cheap.
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      01-09-2012 04:23 AM #17
      A good boost controller goes a long way when you don't have an ECU that can control boost. AVC-R II works pretty well and can be had for cheap.

      Well like most these days money is tight and I do what I can when I can. Don't know if I will be staying with the chip tuning thing for much longer. Its just does not give me the options that I am now needing. Direction with the car may also be changing as I am about to move to Florida and am unsure of the track availability down there. I want to continue drag racing my car, even if it means driving further. I got what you were saying before though, full torque in mid rpm is not all its cracked up to be on the street or the track. To tell you the truth, I don't know much about boost by gear. Since my last track outing I have realized I need the ability to control torque application to get to my personal goals and save the powertrain.
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      01-09-2012 12:39 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by GinsterMan98 View Post
      I am about to move to Florida and am unsure of the track availability down there.
      Where you moving to?

      You've got a couple options for track dependent on where you will be setting up.
      "OP sounds like a MKIV guy"

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      01-09-2012 12:56 PM #19
      To the OP: Purely out of curiosity, not that it necessarily means anything one way or the other, were you using a clutch disc with a sprung hub, or a solid hub?
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      01-09-2012 01:27 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by BLSport View Post
      To the OP: Purely out of curiosity, not that it necessarily means anything one way or the other, were you using a clutch disc with a sprung hub, or a solid hub?
      Clutchnet six pad disk with a sprung hub.
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      01-09-2012 01:28 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by V-dubbulyuh View Post
      Where you moving to?

      You've got a couple options for track dependent on where you will be setting up.
      Panama City area. I know there is one Ga about 2 hrs away.
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      01-09-2012 01:35 PM #22
      Ok you are quite a bit up north. Was hoping you were more towards Cen Fl area.
      "OP sounds like a MKIV guy"

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      01-09-2012 01:40 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by V-dubbulyuh View Post
      Ok you are quite a bit up north. Was hoping you were more towards Cen Fl area.
      Closer than I am now, lol. I am sure I will take a trip to that area at some point.
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      01-09-2012 01:54 PM #24
      Yep, lemme know.

      The JaxDubs guys are somewhat "closer" to your area.
      "OP sounds like a MKIV guy"

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      Looking foward to the move, now I just got to keep my car in one piece, lol.
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      01-09-2012 05:22 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by GinsterMan98 View Post
      Clutchnet six pad disk with a sprung hub.
      Thanks for the info!
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      01-09-2012 06:20 PM #27
      Its a very good streetable clutch with pretty good holding capacity. The reason I went with it was because most sprung hub disks use the spring tension to keep the spring in its place, no added material as a keeper of sorts. The clutchnet disks cover the springs so they won't pop out under high torque loads or chatter. Best disk design in the business IMO.
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      01-09-2012 06:40 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by GinsterMan98 View Post
      Well like most these days money is tight and I do what I can when I can. Don't know if I will be staying with the chip tuning thing for much longer. Its just does not give me the options that I am now needing. Direction with the car may also be changing as I am about to move to Florida and am unsure of the track availability down there. I want to continue drag racing my car, even if it means driving further. I got what you were saying before though, full torque in mid rpm is not all its cracked up to be on the street or the track. To tell you the truth, I don't know much about boost by gear. Since my last track outing I have realized I need the ability to control torque application to get to my personal goals and save the powertrain.
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      01-09-2012 09:18 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by sp_golf View Post
      Pulling the rock box now, just got off work. Will post the carnage after I get the halves apart.
      Everyone likes carnage, lol. Guess it's back to one wheel wondering for a bit.
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      01-09-2012 11:54 PM #30
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      All I need is a Hallman Pro with the cable, lol.
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      01-10-2012 03:16 AM #31
      I was being sarcastic, I know I need some sort of boost control.
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      01-10-2012 03:25 AM #32
      Well, it doesn't look as bad as I thought.
      Magnet did it's job really well, I did not find any gear matter anywhere else other than the few pieces that i pulled out last night.


      Third is done for


      Pile of teeth, ouch!


      Oddly enough I figured out why second was starting to lock me out at the track.
      Slider hub is jacked for second gear.


      That's all for now, going to put the spare back in. Later
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      01-10-2012 05:50 AM #33
      New trans is back in, ops chk C/W. I am going to bed.
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      01-10-2012 06:55 AM #34
      That was pretty quick, props to you Sir. Lol.
      "OP sounds like a MKIV guy"

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      Quote Originally Posted by PjS860ct View Post
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