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    Thread: NAIAS 2012 - Volkswagen Jetta Hybrid

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      01-09-2012 02:49 PM #1
      Volkswagen is presenting one of the world's most efficient automobiles at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit: the Jetta Hybrid...

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      01-09-2012 02:57 PM #2
      Look, HID's so everyone can finally stop complaining!

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      01-09-2012 03:11 PM #3
      Why not put in a small TDI inline with the electric motor. I know VW can get more than 45MPG out of a diesel. Then back that with an electric motor should be getting more like 60, maybe Unless starting and stopping in the city commute is bad for a diesel?
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    4. 01-09-2012 03:26 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Veedubya View Post
      Look, HID's so everyone can finally stop complaining!
      hmm well if we didn't complain, who says they would have listened? should have had a diesel in there for MOAR mpgs
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      01-09-2012 03:53 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by salteatervw View Post
      Why not put in a small TDI inline with the electric motor. I know VW can get more than 45MPG out of a diesel. Then back that with an electric motor should be getting more like 60, maybe Unless starting and stopping in the city commute is bad for a diesel?
      QFT I was really hoping for a hybrid tdi. Makes me wonder if they are going to ditch the tdi line.
      I tell them to tackle the concrete at walking speeds and re-think their position.

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      01-09-2012 05:52 PM #6
      They didn't put a diesel in because the US market is just plain anti-diesel. Yes, there are plenty of people in the US that are aware, but the majority are not. Even the thought of a VW turns them off because they only think of the Beetle, and VW is not a premium brand like it is in the rest of the world, and VW does nothing to dispel that notion, either. When I say to my friends I can and have gotten nearly 55 mpg with my tdi, thay are amazed, but won't even concider one for themselves. They have been fooled into thinking that electric or hybrid gas electric is the only way, or they just don't care. When I see someone driving a 7000 lb SUV for a 80 mile round trip commute, that tells me something. Besides, gas/electric is the new black...
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      01-09-2012 06:42 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by groupracer View Post
      They didn't put a diesel in because the US market is just plain anti-diesel. Yes, there are plenty of people in the US that are aware, but the majority are not. Even the thought of a VW turns them off because they only think of the Beetle, and VW is not a premium brand like it is in the rest of the world, and VW does nothing to dispel that notion, either. When I say to my friends I can and have gotten nearly 55 mpg with my tdi, thay are amazed, but won't even concider one for themselves. They have been fooled into thinking that electric or hybrid gas electric is the only way, or they just don't care. When I see someone driving a 7000 lb SUV for a 80 mile round trip commute, that tells me something. Besides, gas/electric is the new black...
      Well considering VW is getting close to being the number one selling brand in the states, maybe they should start plugging it. I had really hoped to get another VW at some point, but I just can't afford them anymore. I'm sure this hybrid is going to be in the $30K range and that's just more than I can pay. I can remember getting my 2000 TDI Jetta for a hair under $15K new and it got better mileage than this. I think if they put out a car that got 60-70mpg, people may be willing to overlook the green gas pumps, but I could be wrong. I'm sure they will be a success, just nothing I can get excited about.

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      01-09-2012 07:43 PM #8
      be nice to swap that motor into a mk1/2
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      01-09-2012 08:33 PM #9
      Sweet! We get something more cutting edge than the routine offerings. PLUS as noted, HIDS are now available for the mkVI Jetta, never want to ASSume anything with VWOA but maybe even as an option or standard on upper-end GLI ( 2013 version ). Thanks, VW!!!

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      01-09-2012 10:35 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by salteatervw View Post
      Why not put in a small TDI inline with the electric motor. I know VW can get more than 45MPG out of a diesel. Then back that with an electric motor should be getting more like 60, maybe Unless starting and stopping in the city commute is bad for a diesel?
      The 1.6 TDI is pratically the same size and weight as a 2.0 TDI which is a heavy motor. The 1.4 TSI is going to be a sure winner with that 7-Speed DSG.
      If this comes to North America sign me up for one. I have wanted a 1.4 TSI powered VW for a LONG time.

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      01-10-2012 06:10 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      The 1.6 TDI is pratically the same size and weight as a 2.0 TDI which is a heavy motor. The 1.4 TSI is going to be a sure winner with that 7-Speed DSG.
      If this comes to North America sign me up for one. I have wanted a 1.4 TSI powered VW for a LONG time.
      Yeah, the 1.6TDI would not be much cheaper than the 2.0TDI, but underpowered for the car. Add to the higher cost (than the 1.4TSI) ~$2,000 in emissions equipment, VW would have ended up with a really slow and expensive car.

      VW needs to place this under $25,000 starting price to be competitive.

    13. 01-10-2012 10:58 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by salteatervw View Post
      Unless starting and stopping in the city commute is bad for a diesel?
      You're on the right track. Diesel + electric efficiences overlap far more than gas + electric, so if one plans on a wide range of loads/speeds/etc., then gas/electric is best. If, however, loads & speeds are somewhat constrained, then diesel + electric comes into play. It's a matter of matching one's market.

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      01-10-2012 12:47 PM #14
      has anyone ever stopped to think of what a diesel hybrid would cost? the price alone would drive people away

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      01-10-2012 10:21 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by ChrisSince1987 View Post
      has anyone ever stopped to think of what a diesel hybrid would cost? the price alone would drive people away

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      It's been like a month since vortex posted any new items. Thought it went under.

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      01-11-2012 12:25 PM #17
      Another 2 Vw's I will not have any need or respect for. Come on VW give something cool from europe. I'm just fed up with north American discrimination. VAG makes some amazing vechiles (these aren't them) however none are found in NA. I was thinking of moving up stream to Audi but again VAG discrimination. I know for a fact that VW Germany turns down any requests made by VW us/can. I met the person who submits the applications to Vw Germany - gotta love the wife's Xmas parties. You know VW NA applied for the Polo and was turned down 3 times in the last 2yrs, I know the scirocco, and now recently the Up! All these applications had market data with product line up info to support the need for these vechiles. However, It isn't the lack of trying of the behalf of VW North America it's all VW Germany. I think we as north americians need to flood European side of social media so our voice will be heard. So I don't harp NA side of VW. It's all VW Germany discrimination.

    18. 01-11-2012 02:10 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by VW_Hippie View Post
      Another 2 Vw's I will not have any need or respect for. Come on VW give something cool from europe. I'm just fed up with north American discrimination. VAG makes some amazing vechiles (these aren't them) however none are found in NA. I was thinking of moving up stream to Audi but again VAG discrimination. I know for a fact that VW Germany turns down any requests made by VW us/can. I met the person who submits the applications to Vw Germany - gotta love the wife's Xmas parties. You know VW NA applied for the Polo and was turned down 3 times in the last 2yrs, I know the scirocco, and now recently the Up! All these applications had market data with product line up info to support the need for these vechiles. However, It isn't the lack of trying of the behalf of VW North America it's all VW Germany. I think we as north americians need to flood European side of social media so our voice will be heard. So I don't harp NA side of VW. It's all VW Germany discrimination.

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      01-12-2012 02:59 AM #19
      ok but we are talking about America here not fleet vehicles for testing in Berlin

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      01-12-2012 03:16 AM #20
      all i ever here from the instructors at vw's own training facilities (because its a commonly asked question) is why dont they make a tdi hybrid, and their answers are always the same. it would just be too expensive. A base model Jetta TDI starts at 22,700 and only goes up from there. I could only imagine what a hybrid diesel would cost. And lets not forget, the customer would have to pay to maintain this car, and as someone that works in the service department, i can tell you, diesel parts are not cheap

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      01-13-2012 05:20 AM #21
      GLI Hybrid?
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    22. 01-13-2012 10:11 AM #22
      Looks amazing! Hope it will be mine after some years...

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      01-14-2012 07:43 PM #23
      I hear the Hybrid Jetta will be here 4th quarter of 2012.

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      01-14-2012 09:19 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by VW_Hippie View Post
      Another 2 Vw's I will not have any need or respect for. Come
      How can you not respect the 1.4 TSI motor?

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      01-19-2012 06:06 PM #25
      My dealer can't keep a diesel on the lot.
      The demand is there, but Germany won't listen to VOA.
      Took my friend to look for a car: he had an '11 Audi A7, loaded. Had him test drive the stick Golf TDI, made the deal right then.

    26. 01-22-2012 12:08 AM #26
      I agree. US sales of diesels were way up and sales of hybrids were way down. Nobody wants a "sport hybrid" that is slower to 60 than a TDI and gets worse gas mileage too. Nobody wants a Prius with zero "driver's car" appeal.
      What I don't get is the Jetta TDI already gets those kind of MPG figures and it is a time tested powertrain. I bet a hybrid TDI could get into the 60's or maybe even 70's for mpg. Too bad they would cost an arm and a leg. Of course, this is coming from someone who think there should only be two types of Golf: The GTI and the TDI. There's really no point to the 2.5. It isn't efficient or fast (kind of like the CR-Z but even worse). Then maybe the diesels wouldn't cost so much either

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      01-23-2012 01:34 PM #27
      Knowing V-tex...someone will attempt to swap in a TDI for diesel hybrid and be done by the end of the first year in production...just to say "this is what we really want in USA".
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      01-23-2012 01:39 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by ChrisSince1987 View Post
      all i ever here from the instructors at vw's own training facilities (because its a commonly asked question) is why dont they make a tdi hybrid, and their answers are always the same. it would just be too expensive. A base model Jetta TDI starts at 22,700 and only goes up from there. I could only imagine what a hybrid diesel would cost. And lets not forget, the customer would have to pay to maintain this car, and as someone that works in the service department, i can tell you, diesel parts are not cheap
      Assuming a standard TDI model is $1k to $2k more than it's equivalent gasser...then the Hybrid TDI should only be $1k - $2k more? Elementary math Watson. But if they're going to blow it out of the price range, might as well make it 4Motion TDI Hybrid with bumper-2-bumper warranty for 4yrs.
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    29. 01-30-2012 10:47 PM #29
      Woe, very nice das auto.

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