Build thread. Porsche 964 VR6 Turbo

[blackohio]

No, this is really stupid.

[rohar]

are all 79 of your posts this stupid?

Oh at least. Hang out a bit, you might learn something. In the interim could we maybe not fog up Brad's thread with our preconceived notions of what chassis are and are not acceptable for a VAG engine swap? Just because the most you can afford is a MkIII, doesn't mean he can's rod the hell out of his 911. He's got an excellent roller and the VR6 is a proven powerhouse. There's no reason this won't work except for execution. If I were you I'd bag the attitude, take some notes, and maybe try and build something better once you figure out what's going on.

[blackohio]

Oh at least. Hang out a bit, you might learn something. In the interim could we maybe not fog up Brad's thread with our preconceived notions of what chassis are and are not acceptable for a VAG engine swap? Just because the most you can afford is a MkIII, doesn't mean he can's rod the hell out of his 911. He's got an excellent roller and the VR6 is a proven powerhouse. There's no reason this won't work except for execution. If I were you I'd bag the attitude, take some notes, and maybe try and build something better once you figure out what's going on.

yes, because you know all about me. This is certainly my first walk in the park, in-fact i've never even modded a car at 14 it's really hard to afford all of you big man stuffs. Someday i hope to have as little of an idea of what engines Porsche/VW co-designed.

Lets throw 300 vertical pounds in the rear of an almost perfectly balanced car. This is a stupid idea and if brad could afford a porsche engine I'm sure he would. I guess this kind of idiotic swap is right up the alley for the guy that poineered bolting xterra wheels on vw's.

[rohar]

VR6: 373 lbs
Porsche 3.2: 440 lbs

He's dropping 67 lbs by converting. Are you high?

[blackohio]

Theres more to it than just the numbers.

One motor is dimensionally tall while the other is low and flat.

So either your stupid or, well. stupid.

[rohar]

Neither are low and flat. One block is low and flat, but it's carrying a varioram intake which is 1.5" farther from the crank center (taller) than the top of the valve cover on the VR6. Since this is gonna be a boosted VR6, I assumed a short runner which makes it a shorter engine than the varioram. After you think about that, immagine the VR6 is lighter overall than the 3.2.

Beyond that, since new mounts are going to be fabricated anyway, he has the opportunity to flip the ring gear in the G50 and run it upside down, allowing him to mount the engine another 2" lower and maintain axle angle. This would probably drop the CG below stock.

I understand your reaction. But this is obviously a subject matter you have no knowledge of. Like I said before, you may want to pay attention rather than criticize.

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

lol now you are making assumptions of what i can and can't afford? plenty of cheap running 964 engines on the forums and even a fresh rebuilt one for $5k. if i wanted a porsche engine, i would put one in there. i got a great deal on a solid, clean title chassis, love the vr6 and just want to do something different. if you don't agree, oh well. you have that right

[ms.golf]

The Boxster engine was a joint design between Porsche and Audi. This is a big reason why there's so much interchangeability of parts. Porsche produced it in house. Given the quality of the product, I'm not sure that was a good thing.

where are you getting this from? got a source?

[weaponized kitten]

Well if you are talking about anything newer than a 356 motor and an air cooled VW motor you are getting even farther apart relationship wise.

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

listen, i could give 2 ****s about what ties porsche and vw have. if you dont like the build, simply hit the back button. you guys want to bitch back and forth do it in pm's or start your own thread.

now back to the build.
parts are starting to roll in. going to just mount the radiator in the front and run the piping thru the heater channels. will solve all my cooling issues and leave room for the turbo.

[rohar]

You've got a hell of a point, and I apologize for egging it on.

We've found Gates green stripe hose is awesome for running through the heater ducts. Pliable but stands up to the test of time. Renegade has a kit for a little over $100. I haven't seen it that cheep anywhere else.

One complaint we've seen is that it does bleed some heat into the cabin, so a lot of guys are starting to encase the hoses in expandable foam as insulation.

[MikkiJayne]

VR6: 373 lbs
Porsche 3.2: 440 lbs

Interesting

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

You've got a hell of a point, and I apologize for egging it on.

We've found Gates green stripe hose is awesome for running through the heater ducts. Pliable but stands up to the test of time. Renegade has a kit for a little over $100. I haven't seen it that cheep anywhere else.

One complaint we've seen is that it does bleed some heat into the cabin, so a lot of guys are starting to encase the hoses in expandable foam as insulation.

yeah i think i just read about that on a ls swapped 993. i talked to the guys at renegade yesterday. pretty damn knowledgable on radiators up front

[rohar]

You might want to sign up over at 914world.com. More swap madness than should be seen all in one forum. Guys with LOTS of experience.

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

You might want to sign up over at 914world.com. More swap madness than should be seen all in one forum. Guys with LOTS of experience.

[ms.golf]

listen, i could give 2 ****s about what ties porsche and vw have.

sorry about that, he's way wrong about the boxster engine though.

just figured you should know that you're listening to someone with mixed up facts, take his advice with a grain of salt to save yourself some frustrations.

[rohar]

sorry about that, he's way wrong about the boxster engine though.

just figured you should know that you're listening to someone with mixed up facts, take his advice with a grain of salt to save yourself some frustrations.

After looking back at some old paperwork, turns out you're right. The ignition, chassis control and EC system are all Audi though, so I wasn't that far off. Manufacturing lines were partially designed by Toyota.

That said, since the purchase, they're all VWs now so any argument is pedantic at best. Swap and build, there's nothing holding anyone back!

[weaponized kitten]

Rohar, you're an idiot. And Brad: Sorry about messing up your thread about butchering a 964. But someone was throwing all sorts of made up **** out there and I hate bull****ting ******s who post just to see themselves talk.

BTW I want to wish you luck in not spinning this car into a wall or off a cliff once its done.

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

BTW I want to wish you luck in not spinning this car into a wall or off a cliff once its done.

Thanks. dont worry, if i get sick of going fast i'll put the porsche motor back in

[rohar]

Hey Brad. At your rate you're gonna finish this thing about the same time I am. We're only about 1200 miles apart and both stuffing VAG engines in porsches. Wanna find a track somewhere between here and there and see what we did? Could be a hell of a time and depending on the track I might cover the costs. I'd gladly invite the naysayers if they put their titles on the line

[Moshua]

Looking forward to seeing this Brad, i've seen some of your other vehicles at other various shows, WBTB, DubDash, Midwest Volksfest. should be fun and fast as hell

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

thanks dude. now i found the gates hose but only in 3 ft lengths. i would like the hose to run the length of the car. 19x22x3 radiator with dual pulling fans is what im going with along with summits high flow water pump. works for all the ls guys, i see know issues. now i just need the adapter plate to get here so i can start mocking up the engine bay.

[rohar]

Renegade has the gates hose in 24' lots for $120. 12' on each side. It's on their web site and everything. I've yet to find it at that price anywhere else. If you need longer runs, give them a holler, they'll be happy to help. Anything bigger than 3/4" should be fine.

Porsche parade is in Salt Lake this year, your schedule gonna get you finished by then? I'm pushing like hell to make it.

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

mine will be done in a couple months. i've looked twice on renegades site and havent seen it.

[rohar]

Sneaky buggers hid it. If you click Alum LS series V8 under 914 home it shows up under Optional Parts "RADIATOR HOSE KIT".

$120

[rohar]

Oh, and I'd definitely think about hitting the parade in July. We've got plenty of time to get the cars together and you'll meet some of the most amazing car guys ever. I'd pay good money to see a purist's face when you pop that engine cover.

For me, the Chump 24 is the week after so I'm gonna be beat by August.

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

i spend most of my time on the east coast but will be out west for pikes peak and wuste.

Bilsteins showed up. waiting on radiator, gates hose and a electric water pump. hopefully show up tomorrow and i can get the cooling system completed.

[.:V.R.6.6.6:.]

YESSS

[syracusegli]

pics?!

[rohar]

WOOT!

Now that the parts are coming, the best advice I can give is pay a LOT of attention to sheeting between the radiator and the intake hole. Don't let any air out. Lots of time with cardboard patterns helps. That and something to seal the joints. Thick weatherstripping is cheep and works well.

Oh, and if you don't make it to the PP this year, there's always next year!

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

what a pain in the ass ripping all this out. almost all electrical is out of the car. axles showed up today, kennedy adapter should be hear tomorrow with trans on friday.

[rohar]

Agreed. Total PITA. On the subject, these work amazing for removing that damned tar sound deadening from the floor pans:

http://www.harborfreight.com/power-t...ool-68303.html

Put your ear muffs on and go at it. Loud as hell but I can clear a 911 in about an hour. Beats the hell out of the old torch/scraper method.

[35i 2000]

Ohh this is aSUPER cool build


I've had so many VR's I've driven 964's this is going to sound willlld! I'm following this thread everyday from now on!

Good on you mate for doing something totally different!

[Brad@AdaptecSpeedware]

thanks dude.

time for brakes and suspension.

[syracusegli]

can i ask what you paid for the roller? did it come with all the glass and interior? pm if you wanna.