as far as the taping/recording issues, I have a real problem not being allowed to tape/film/record an officer without thier consent when I am pulled over since they are allowed to record me without my consent. Most officer carry a voice recorder with them to record any communication during a traffic stop.
at the same time, Police do have a dangerous job, and I try to make them feel as safe and comfortable as possible when they stop me. and as much as they piss you off sometimes, they are trying to serve and protect you. They don't make the laws they enforce them.
all this windows down, dome light on, keys on the dash, hands in plain sight stuff seems like a bad idea, and sends one message to the cop. "I've been pulled over before/I have planned on being pulled over"
If I ever get pulled over again I'm going to leave the engine on and start fumbling for my registration in the glove compartment while he is back there running my plate.
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I'm not really sure what your understanding of the Constitution is but the Constitution is not a list of "laws." It outlines the powers of the three branches of federal government and its series of Amendments include some personal rights as well as clarify some of those powers.
Federal laws can only be passed by Congress and the only thing the Constitution does is make sure that Congress actually has the power to do so and makes sure the law does not fly in the face of those series of personal rights.
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I know exactly what the constitution is, what it says, and what it's for. I didn't say thge constituion required me to have health insurance, I said there is a fed. law requiring it. I wasn't sure if you understood that just because something is not mentioned (such as being informed why you have been pulled over) in the constition doesn't mean there is no fed. law or court precdence on the subject.
@Dtrain, yeah, you mentioned the "Federal Constitution" explicitly in your first post when you started talking about health insurance. If you're going to make claims about things you did and did not say, have the decency to do so in un-recorded, spoken conversation when others can't just go back and find the exact text to show what you did and did not say.Originally Posted by dtrain88
In the meantime, STFU.
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here are some tips:
1. Just be polite. Asking questions, if done so in a manner that does not imply that you think I'm an idiot or that you could not have possibly done something wrong and I am happy to converse with you.
2. Ask, BEFORE I go back to my car, for a warning. When people ask, unless they were way over the limit or doing something very careless, I will check their license and let them go. Even if they were 20mph over, I will always issue the cite for 75 in a 65 instead of 95 in a 65 or something like that.
3. If you still insist on filming, when you tell the cop that you are filming, say something like this, "Officer, I just want you to know that I am filming this stop. I have had some really bad experiences in the past that have cost me a lot of time and money and I just want to protect myself." Respectful and polite, no problems. Cops know that there are some cops that are asshats and understand that there are some people that have had less than nice interactions with the police.
Last thing. If you come off like your post you are starting a war you can't win. I have all the legal right in the world to initiate a "safety inspection" of your vehicle and here in Nevada, I am allowed to take up to 60 minutes to complete my stop. The more attitude you give, the more you get.
Here's what I do:
1. Pull over
2. Roll down windows
3. Turn off radio
4. Stick arm out the window with license, insurance and registration
5. Accept ticket
Did that the last time I got pulled over and didn't get a ticket. I think the cop was happy I made life easier for him. No worries about me trying to pull some crap.
Videotaping a cop is great way to MAKE sure you get a ticket.
Pull WAY far over and dont be an idiot and stop where you are going to hold a bunch of people up - then roll down all windows and turn your car off. Put your keys on your dash, put your four-ways on, and dont do another damn thing. Dont get your license or anything until the officer is at your window - and tell him what you are doing. If there is any chance you will not get a ticket - it is by doing these things.
Or you can request the supervising officer to come out, ask the police vehicle that was used to pull you over completely sealed as evidence, ask for a tow truck to take it to a secure facility, and inform the officers it will be unsealed at court. Then state you are preserving evidence and state the ease of video manipulation requires constant 24hr care is needed of the whole vehicle.
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The reasoning I imagine is the same as when police ask crowds to dispense around crime scenes. Crowds get restless, unruly, and disruptive. Not just to the police but to the rest of the general public. When you have a crowd you have bad seeds and now you need even more police to control the crowd. Also, like rubberneckers who cause traffic jams, a mob in the middle of an urban street will block the flow of vehicle and pedestrian traffic.
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