Take a few minutes and read up on this..may save you some work.
so after owning this 89 wolfsburg cabriolet since 09 and picking away at it bit by bit ive decided its finally time for the transplant.
So the doner motor and trans are out of another VW i used to own a 96 passat GLX that i had totaled. Its been sitting since 09 as well so shes a little rough around the edges but nothing countless hours of frustration cant fix
and now how she currently sit (body fixed up and shaved waiting to be painted)
and also nix a motor in the bay
as she sat the day i bought her
pictures of the shaved trim and front side marker (courtesy of my grandfather)
opps i swear it just kinda fell out
and the new heart
now that i finally have the motor and a girl kicking me in the ass to get this done i should be making some decent progress and any productive input it very very much welcome...i love hearing other peoples thoughts and opinions
Last edited by riotbeast; 01-17-2012 at 10:32 PM.
Take a few minutes and read up on this..may save you some work.
oh yea ive read through that and a couple other build threads, unfortunetly i cant justify spending $900 bux on mounts and axles so i may just frankenstein my own design eather with the MK4 mounts or some bastardiazed home made version of the eurowise kit......tho thanks for the input
I am very jelous you are starting your vr6 swap...I also think your insane for not getting the eurowise kit...with out it, seems like failing may be in this cars future. I would use a credit card or beg, steal, sell anything I own for a EW kit before I do this swap.
I can see were your coming from thinking im nuts, but you got to think people did this swap before the EW kit was made.... Ive got my family and family owned shop to help me out....(makes it easy seeing as i work hear as well) so anything that i think is out of my skill level they have been helping with, Plus i really
Dont care for that kit i just think the mounts are kinda wimpy and would much rather go with the mk4 mOunts.... It will definetly make me feel safer beating the crap out of her non the less i agree im a mad man for trying it this way and i wouldnt change a thing....
I would take a moment to read through this thread:
His VR swap starts about halfway through the thread, he's got a nice clean setup.
Mk4 VR passenger side mount, with mk1 O2A mounts everywhere else.
funny you should mention that, i was acctually thinking about the mounting situation over lunch today and i figured that would be the easyest manner of doing it, aside from the EW kit....so now i just needa get my hands on a passenger side mk4 mount.....and everything else the salvage yard jacked off the motor.......
i made ok progress tonight with only 4 or so hours of work....no time to post pics and whatnot now ill just have to bring the laptop to work and post em on break.....till then
cable clutch convo $268.99
so $1,838.97 for a complete bolt in kit for a vr swap vs. $600 for a lincoln welder and some determination.
also if you're completely useless in wiring and too lazy to figure out how to join together 6 wires figure you're gonna have to pony up another couple of hundred to pay a shop to wire it all up.
build threads are so much better than buying threads.
here's to you op
well as i said i got a couple hours of work in yeterday
and used one of the most awsome and useful tools in the shop...(not my messy ass tool box the plasma cutter)
i was hard a work trying to fab out the drivers side mount....so instead of explaning what i did....
step 1 cut up old mount
step 2 cut up and prepare to weld
step 3 - 6849384 weld weld weld weld
By riotbeast at 2012-01-19
and of course repeate with the other side
its put together and solid but im going to wait to drill the bolt hole or even fancy it up at all till i get my hands on a mk4 passenger side mount, so after all was said and done i had an extra half an hour so i took the wiring harness and started getting all the things not needed out the friggan way....thank got for all those years of untangling game controlers i knew it would come in handy some day
well probly wont get anything done today i need to get that toolbox cleaned up XD....so expect word on the work friday or saturday.....till then
oh and thanks for the support and to the comment about the welder....im friggan spoiled working for my familys shop i get access too everthing .....be it the welder plasma cutter or the cabinet of leftover auto paint just makes my life a lil cheaper with the route that im going.....defeintly a better option imo than spending $1800+ and bolting things in.....plus theirs so much more satafaction when its done
let's get back to the real work in this build thread
take a minute and run over your plasma pieces with a grinder and clean them up...will make the cuts look much better...and crank up the heat on your welder, it's heavy plate you're welding to, going somewhat full tilt at it won't hurt. my .02
keep up the progress
and i agree, hitting up those pieces with a wire wheel to get the paint and crap off them will help.
here's a good guide:
skip the stuff in the beginning about setting up the welder and whatnot.
the welding patterns they show are great, but they're not mentioning a very basic pattern where you just simply go in a circle working your way down the joint while doing so.
it will come out looking like this:
the biggest thing to look for when welding thicker plate is good penetration. if you look at that pic you'll see blue lines on either side of the welds...those marks are the heat the weld is giving off...which shows that it is penetrating and as a result will be strong.
i'm still a novice i'll admit as i've only been at it a year...but i hope that helps point you in the right direction though
so ive been hard at work scratching my head the motor is sitting in the bay bolted up to the stock cabby axles and what do ya know they dont seem to be binding or anything!!! my uncle and myself where standing around the car this morning and he gave me a much better idea for the drivers side mount so i will be completly scraping what ive made for that side, and i also have my passenger side mount on the way for right now the motors sitting in the engine bay kinda ghetto rigged in so we can have it out of the way in the shop
so yea thats a peice of angle iron laying on the frame rail and held into the motor with 1 bolt(ONLY GRADE 8's!!!!)
this is getting completly taken out im not going to use a vw mount on this side period....acctually im going to end up using shock mounts from a c5500 gmc
this shows the axles bolted up motors not in position completly buttt they bolt up and dont bind and im not lowering it so it should be fine
oh yea and i forgot to mentioni started making a mount bracket for the drivers side, cause its impossible to find and im impatient
starting a templet
mocking up the templet on the motor
getting it transfered to metal
lining up the mount holes
and drilling them out....dont forget the lubbeeee!!
and finally the main plate bolted to the motor
got the ecu today and hopefully will hear the motor run by the time im done tomarrow....we will see how it goes till next time
the vr tranny is only a 1/2in wider on each side compared to the stock cabby trans. the cv's can easily accommodate an extra half inch per side.
normally people would bolt up the passenger's side axle and get the motor/trans to fit perfect then shorten the driver's side axle by an inch or so. however it's been proven that if you have the motor/trans placement just so there's no need to modify any axles....and you can get low with it and have no binding or problems
nice progress by the way
Last edited by A1steaksauce; 01-24-2012 at 06:54 PM.
well i have been quite busy indeed, hence not posting for a few days lets start from were we left off, i got the passenger side motor mount in the mail and got to work building the support
marking out the frame rail, for my way of doing it
took some angle iron, put two peices together to make 3/4's of a box and trimmed to fit
Getting ready to weld into place
welding it into place....a lot of welding it into place....this bitch aint moving
making the passenger side mount bracket for the motor, got to have that support....dont forget the triangles
and the mount attached
starting on the new design for the drivers side mount, goal was to make it so the motor is cradled between the two mounts so the one i will be making in the front only determines the angle of the motor and holds no real weight
the mount itself acctually all put together
dropping the frame rail a little bit to stiffen it up and line up with the mount a little easyer
and of course seeing what i have to make for the front mount....i have a few ideas....any way i look at it theirs another half a day of cutting and welding
saw this while it was up in the air, talked to the previous owner of the doner car apperently he opted for the ecs magnetic drain plug
oh and if you saw the picture above of my messy ass toolbox...yea i fixed that too
and her sitting with the hood on and the motor sitting in the bay all on its own...
and the proof that its in their
i had rushed out of the shop at the end of the day today so i didnt get and finished pictures of the drivers side mount ill snap a couple in the next few days.... will most likly have the front mount almost done by tuesday anyways and whenever i acctually get my pedal cluster and MAF ill get her running and setup the clutch....lets hope the salvage yard acctually gets me my s***......and now its time to go drink with the fiance and friends and wait for the new superbowl Volkswagen commercial....
welll well well been on and off having time for the beast but have made some progress, ive been trying to get the harness straightened out and ran.....thank god im good with electronics XD....some pictures i beleve are in order
the only way to sort out wiring....throw it everywere
oh and i got a freeze plug in
for this little hole that needed to be forgotten about (3/4" if your wondering)
and oh yea started building the exhaust manifold, so much welding
oh yea and started mounting the shifter
annnnddddd test fit the battry to its new home/welded in the ground stud
then i ended up getting a used tension with a shot bearing so i sent the s*** pully to the parts store and they sent me back this $15 replacment...beats the heck out of the 70-120 for a new tensioner...and the effort it woulda taken to break....i mean replace the bearing in the pully
i should be getting my clutch pedal in soon soooooooo if all goes well we will be able to stop pushing this bunny and start driving her out of the shop.......till next time(not acctual booze consumption till then.......or maby it is)
and on the note of progress hault this is now a lil over two months i have been waiting on this pedal cluster....if it isint hear by this weekend im making the trek to orange MA to get the damn thing out of the passat myself....we will seee
you do realize you could have easily modified the MK1 clutch pedal and simply welded the passat bracket for the clutch master to the MK1 brake booster bracket and made it all work, yeah?
full pedal assembly swaps are way more work than what's required.