The ONE & ONLY 2012 Politics/Election Thread

[A.Wilder]

No, yet again, you are unable to distinguish between the narrative in your head and what you want to believe and what I actually have said. Find where I said the free market fixes and cures everything and I will PayPayl you 10 FRN's!

i don't have the time, nor do i care to make any more of an ass out of you than you are currently doing, but there's plenty of it in this thread and many others. Now you are just being a liar.

[2.0T_Convert]

In other words, the law violates the rights of property owners. I do not condone businesses engaging in discriminatory actions, would not frequent them, and would encourage others to do the same, but they should have the right, as exclusive owners of property in question, to do with it what they please. I see no difference in denying someone access to my restaurant as I do denying them the use of the shoes on my feet.

Quick - Name the well know organization that fired several long term employees because it was discovered they were not card carrying christians. It was a court case and while not related to property rights but you should know of this and have been active in avoiding any business with that company. This is a case from one of my government classes in school. I just gave you big enough hints it should be easy!

Point being in your case discrimination could be easily hidden or go on behind the scenes. You could go out and buy a soda pop every day without even knowing the soda maker had set a policy to fire all non-whites.

[lojasmo]

Ahem: Marco Rubio not being vetted for VP by RMoney.

There goes the Hispanic vote.

[Fritz27]

Ahem: Marco Rubio not being vetted for VP by RMoney.

There goes the Hispanic vote.

I think Rubio is lining himself up for a run in 2016 and doesn't want the stench a potential Romney loss would leave on him.

Hilary vs. Rubio would be prety cool.

[TIGninja]

I think Rubio is lining himself up for a run in 2016 and doesn't want the stench a potential Romney loss would leave on him.

Hilary vs. Rubio would be prety cool.

You mean he is courting the banks already? Sell out ****ers.

[lojasmo]

I think Rubio is lining himself up for a run in 2016 and doesn't want the stench a potential Romney loss would leave on him.

Hilary vs. Rubio would be prety cool.

You misunderstand. Vetting is done by the presidential team. RMoney doesn't want Rubio (understandably).

[jnm2.0t]

Ahem: Marco Rubio not being vetted for VP by RMoney.

There goes the Hispanic vote.

Romney says Marco Rubio being 'thoroughly vetted' as possible VP

[Fritz27]

You misunderstand. Vetting is done by the presidential team. RMoney doesn't want Rubio (understandably).

I know how vetting works but I feel like Rubio likely did a "thanks but no thanks" and the Romney camp puts out stuff like this to save face.

[VarianceVQ]

Maybe he'll court Randy Paul. They're buds now, right?

[pentaxshooter]

Quick - Name the well know organization that fired several long term employees because it was discovered they were not card carrying christians. It was a court case and while not related to property rights but you should know of this and have been active in avoiding any business with that company. This is a case from one of my government classes in school. I just gave you big enough hints it should be easy!

I'm afraid I'm not much interested in court cases. You are going to have to expound.

Point being in your case discrimination could be easily hidden or go on behind the scenes. You could go out and buy a soda pop every day without even knowing the soda maker had set a policy to fire all non-whites.

Are you serious? The current system is far worse in the regard. Because businesses are not allowed to discriminate as they please (at least as obviously) I have no way of knowing if I am accidentally supporting a racist owner. If he was allowed to bar a certain race/ethnicity from working/visiting his business, it would be in the open and I could avoid him. The current system hides and protects racists and bigots.

[pentaxshooter]

i don't have the time, nor do i care to make any more of an ass out of you than you are currently doing, but there's plenty of it in this thread and many others. Now you are just being a liar.

In other words, it doesn't exist. Because I haven't said it.

[pentaxshooter]

[A.Wilder]

please stop O_Ging this thread with your copy paste. Taxation is theft, lol.

Even the media is flip flopping on Romney coverage!

[joness0154]

please stop O_Ging this thread with your copy paste. Taxation is theft, lol.

Even the media is flip flopping on Romney coverage!

Once he graduates and gets out in to the real world he'll look back on his political views in college and wonder WTF he was thinking. It happened to me! Haha.

[InternetMeme]

Mother of God. Eric Holder truly is a piece of crap. As of a few minutes ago he's contacted the White House and asked Obama to issue a executive privilege on the Fast & Furious documents. In other words, in order to keep from turning them over to the Congress and being put on an contempt vote he's asking Obama to make them legally inaccessible to Congress and therefore make the concept vote more or less irrelevant because the documents are 'sealed'.



January 2013 can't get here soon enough.

[jnm2.0t]

January 2013 can't get here soon enough.

You act as if RMoney and his cadre would do anything different.

[Egilbe]

Mother of God. Eric Holder truly is a piece of crap. As of a few minutes ago he's contacted the White House and asked Obama to issue a executive privilege on the Fast & Furious documents. In other words, in order to keep from turning them over to the Congress and being put on an contempt vote he's asking Obama to make them legally inaccessible to Congress and therefore make the concept vote more or less irrelevant because the documents are 'sealed'.



January 2013 can't get here soon enough.

Eric Holder should be hung out to dry. As Chesterfield Smith said about Nixon

No man is above the law

If the president seals the documents, he's as good as complicit in a coverup of illegal activities.

[pentaxshooter]

Once he graduates and gets out in to the real world he'll look back on his political views in college and wonder WTF he was thinking. It happened to me! Haha.

Yeah, I know you all enjoy repeating that, but I can assure you that will not be happening.

[joness0154]

Yeah, I know you all enjoy repeating that, but I can assure you that will not be happening.

Once you own a home, have kids, get a big boy job, etc., your outlook starts to change.

You're not quite there yet, so I'll forgive ya for now

[barry2952]

Just how old are you, Pentaxshooter? I'm not being ageist, like many here about my age, just asking about how much life experience you've had that shapes your views.

[pentaxshooter]

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Once you own a home, have kids, get a big boy job, etc., your outlook starts to change.

Things such as that will only make me more aligned against the state.

You're not quite there yet, so I'll forgive ya for now

Please stop being so condescending. That's really all what you are saying is.

Just how old are you, Pentaxshooter? I'm not being ageist, like many here about my age, just asking about how much life experience you've had that shapes your views.

I am 20.

[barry2952]

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I am 20.

I was married at 20. Not to be mean, but I thought I knew everything at that age, too.

I'm afraid you'll come up against a real brick wall with your beliefs one you're responsible for other human beings and their welfare. It's admirable that you have ideals and seem to support some of them, but seriously, the real world awaits you, unless you're willing to live in a 10-foot by 12-foot shack while writing your manifesto.

[Egilbe]

I was married at 20. Not to be mean, but I thought I knew everything at that age, too.

I'm afraid you'll come up against a real brick wall with your beliefs one you're responsible for other human beings and their welfare. It's admirable that you have ideals and seem to support some of them, but seriously, the real world awaits you, unless you're willing to live in a 10-foot by 12-foot shack while writing your manifesto.

Do you know how many times wiser people have told him this and he refuses to believe it? He's so cute, in a condescending sort of way

You will be assimilated

[pentaxshooter]

I was married at 20. Not to be mean, but I thought I knew everything at that age, too.

I think quite the opposite. I have much to learn. It's a lifelong process.

I'm afraid you'll come up against a real brick wall with your beliefs one you're responsible for other human beings and their welfare.

I don't see how that is antithetical to the ides of liberty. I am actually a hugeee fan of mutual aid societies and voluntary charity. (I give more than I can really afford to currently) If anything, not having to have my money stolen from me will allow me to more adequately take care of such responsibilities.

It's admirable that you have ideals and seem to support some of them, but seriously, the real world awaits you, unless you're willing to live in a 10-foot by 12-foot shack while writing your manifesto.

I never have wanted a large house But seriously, I don't like to speculate. I am just going to stick to what I believe is right and wherever that takes me.

[zukiphile]

Once you own a home, have kids, get a big boy job, etc., your outlook starts to change.

Judging by posts in OT, that hasn't happened for many people here yet.

I agree that peoples' views change as they age, with a relatively unalloyed idealism possible while a lad is in school.

The ordinary vector of that change is to come to see law enforcement as an ally rather than an adversary, and to have less regard for the enterprise of diverting wealth from people who are productive and to people who are less so.

If PS is nearly done with his undergraduate work and sings from a radically libertarian hymnal, it is very unlikely that he will devolve into an enthusiast for state dependency. That would be a grossly atypical development.

[tbvvw]

Once you own a home, have kids, get a big boy job, etc., your outlook starts to change.

Agree 100%. For anyone to assure us their worldview/politics won't change or be significantly altered after 20+ yrs of real-life expereince is naive.

[barry2952]

I never have wanted a large house But seriously, I don't like to speculate. I am just going to stick to what I believe is right and wherever that takes me.

Even in the face of those that stated that they had the same ideals as you.

So, basically, all you've ever espoused here is rhetoric based on ideals, not experience, correct?

You don't foresee a future problem?

[Egilbe]

Judging by posts in OT, that hasn't happened for many people here yet.

I agree that peoples' views change as they age, with a relatively unalloyed idealism possible while a lad is in school.

The ordinary vector of that change is to come to see law enforcement as an ally rather than an adversary, and to have less regard for the enterprise of diverting wealth from people who are productive and to people who are less so.

If PS is nearly done with his undergraduate work and sings from a radically libertarian hymnal, it is very unlikely that he will devolve into an enthusiast for state dependency. That would be a grossly atypical development.

I'm 50 and I still see Law Enforcement as an adversary. I've been a homeowner, but I think I would much rather be an agrarian then continue being a corporate slave. I've devolving/evolving into Pentaxshooter

[zukiphile]

I'm 50 and I still see Law Enforcement as an adversary.

Some are special.

I've devolving/evolving into Pentaxshooter

That's more typical.

The first time my grandfather was drafted was in the fall of 1945. He was his views were ordinary yankee repub views of the time. By the time he left the Army in 1949, he was a bird colonel and despised the Army too.

Contact with bureaucracy doesn't seem to inspire affection for it.

[Mike!]

Are you serious? The current system is far worse in the regard. Because businesses are not allowed to discriminate as they please (at least as obviously) I have no way of knowing if I am accidentally supporting a racist owner. If he was allowed to bar a certain race/ethnicity from working/visiting his business, it would be in the open and I could avoid him. The current system hides and protects racists and bigots.

I believe you to be incorrect here. You would like to give people the freedom to engage in openly racist/bigoted business practices, in order for you to be able to avoid doing business with people/companies that currently have racist beliefs or attitudes but are unable to legally engage in discriminatory practices. That's absurd. Right now, I'm able to not care what a businessperson's personal misguided beliefs are, because he is not allowed to apply discriminatory beliefs in the form of discriminatory practices.

Allowing them to engage in the practice so they can be boycotted by you and like minded people is not preferable. In a best case scenario, they change their business practices to not be (overtly) discriminatory in response to a boycott. That still doesn't change their personal beliefs, which you take issue with not being able to see openly at present. Smart business practice may dictate they don't act on those beliefs, but then that's not any more open, right? Further, if racist/bigoted/discriminatory business practices were not illegal, but market forces dictated that the business owner/person not be openly racist/etc., they are capable of engaging in deniable, less blatant, non-open forms of racism/etc. with impunity. And, in a worst case scenario, an entire town's worth of like-minded business owners decide to deny services to an entire race of people, effectively legally running them out of town, again without any recourse if their other customers were like-minded.

I'll take the current system any day of the week.

[barry2952]

I'll take the current system any day of the week.

He will too, once he has the responsibility that grups have.

[pentaxshooter]

I'll take the current system any day of the week.

Enjoy it, then.

I don't view "running them out of town" as a particularly "bad" thing. I wouldn't engage in such practices, but freedom to associate is freedom to dissociate. I'd rather not use violence against people to force associations.

[InternetMeme]

I love how politics is never really discussed here- it's just personal attacks and mass ignorance.

[zukiphile]

I love how politics is never really discussed here- it's just personal attacks and mass ignorance.

How is this? BHO has asserted exec privilege over Fast and Furious documents, which Holder has assured Congress was never part of any WH operation.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,6646341.story

BHO is entitled to assert the privilege, but I don't see loads of foresight in doing it.

[2.0T_Convert]

I'll take the current system any day of the week.

In addition if we allow discrimination then what will happen over time is those who favor discriminatory business or neighborhoods with group together and before long we have towns, cities, and perhaps even states where open discrimination is legal and a social norm.

How long then until once again in a cout house in Alamaba will be be acceptable for the state prosecutor to get up and say "lets just hang these n*ggars and be done with it".

I love how politics is never really discussed here- it's just personal attacks and mass ignorance.

Not everyone hates Obama like you do.

I'm sorry, let me make that political. Not everyone here is a blind followerer of one party line and eager to impreach or drag down the President.