than the government in many cases.
I believe the things the federal government should do were outlined in the
Constitution. I've not seen particularly much evidence that it has done well
outside those limitations - certainly not better than the free market, or
otherwise through the free association of individuals to lend helping hands.
I'm antiwar myself, and I just lost a lot of respect for you Pentax. Your conversation, and your reaction to other people's responses was not cool. [Neither was the invitation for you to stand in front of someone's rifle, but that doesn't justify your approach or what you said.]
Protest the war, but support the soldier
What is your evidence that the government has not done well at providing a police force, roads and other infrastructure, fire department, military, social programs, etc.? Just because things aren't exactly as you want them to be doesn't mean they aren't working.
I don't really like wading into political or military debates much but Im going to here. I do agree that the military service people are extremely brave and are doing something I would not do myself. That doesn't mean I like or agree with what they do or in any way feel indebted to them. I tend to keep my opinions to myself because I just don't care for the debate that would likely flow from it, but if I did for some reason feel the need to engage in a conversation about it don't feel I would need to couch my feelings and opinions regardless if the other person is military or not. While I personally wouldn't bother I see nothing wrong with what Pentax did.
they're steppin' on my rhythm and they're stealin' all my lines
So your conversation with your military friend popped up in my news feed. As a veteran of the armed forces myself, I want to say thank you for speaking the truth even when it's unpopular. A lot (and I mean a lot) of veterans look for meaning in the horror they've been subjected to, so they rationalize how what they did and even them being over there in the first place was a "good thing."
Someone mentioned the Americans killed in the 9/11 attacks, so that justifies inflicting 3-4 9/11's on ourselves in dead soldiers in these pointless wars of aggression? Not to mention, hundreds of thousands of dead innocent Iraqi, Afghani, and Pakistani civilians (they don't count as human anyway), and millions more wounded and displaced.
Half of the people in that thread are ignorant chickenhawks who are such cowards that they would sacrifice all of their rights and millions of lives (including the troops they pretend to support) to save themselves from the statistically nonexistent threat of terrorism. Meanwhile, they drive their cars and eat fatty foods everyday, and one of the two will be the thing that actually kills them, not some scary brown person.
Living free means putting up with the fact that there is danger in the world and acknowledging that bad things and bad people exist, and living a free and peaceful life anyway. If you and your government flail around like terrified children, destroying millions of lives at home and abroad just so you can enjoy the ILLUSION of security, guess what (and forgive the cliche') the terrorist have indeed won. /rant
In most cases they explain out the assets and liabilities of companies involved. Most companies carry some kind of debt be is outstanding loans, purchase orders, or employee benefits. It comes down to the basic reason we have things like credit cards in the first place. Life woule be sucky if we had to buy everything with solid cash or gold coins.
The answer is no I don't want a world where I have to resort to hiring private security as police or make a call and use a credit card if I need a fire put out. I want to call 911 get a response and perhaps only have to pay if I was responsible in a case where emergency crews had some basic response fee.
Nevermind the whole fact if we are also deregulating the government there is not much preventing these private providers from offering low quality service or engaging in uncompetitive price fixing tactics.
Like I said earlier the only thing that has been accomplished is shifting corruption down a few levels.
The "consumer"<br />Where it is more accountable and easily influenced. How is that a bad thing?
Accountable to whom.
Your gold is going to be worth as much as my bills.
Do you try on purpose to just repeat the more far flung libertarian talking pointsThe "consumer"
The consumer... so the armed masses who are vigilant and watch over all business to ensure a fair and trustworthy society?
Only when government steps in with its self serving regulation, and selective taxing does the consumer lose control over the marketplace.
And:The lysine price-fixing conspiracy was an organized effort during the mid-1990s to raise the price of the animal feed additive lysine. It involved five companies that had commercialized high-tech fermentation technologies, including American company Archer Daniels Midland (ADM), Japanese companies Ajinomoto and Kyowa Hakko Kogyo, and Korean companies Sewon America Inc. and Cheil Jedang Ltd. A criminal investigation resulted in fines and three-year prison sentences for three executives of ADM who colluded with the other companies to fix prices. The foreign companies settled with the United States Department of Justice Antitrust Division in September through December 1996. Each firm and four executives from the Asian firms pled guilty as part of a plea bargain to aid in further investigation against ADM. The cartel had been able to raise lysine prices 70% within their first nine months of cooperation.
In 2000, allegations surfaced of a price-fixing arrangement between Christie's and Sotheby's, another major auction house. Executives from Christie's subsequently alerted the Department of Justice of their suspicions of commission-fixing collusion.
YKK was another company that dealt with price-fixing.
If Pentax is asking for companies that existed outside of government then it's harder to prove. Companies couldn't exist without a government charter pretty much since corporations were thought up.
The point is; price fixing as its being presented is not a problem, and there are likely more examples of pricing being artificially raised via government intervention and taxes levied to present an unfair advantage to select companies which successfully lobbied, and bought themselves either tax breaks, or had heavier taxes imposed on their competition.
Tell me Monsanto hasn't bought its alarming success BECAUSE of government intervention.
I'm not sure how a PO box in Delaware shows the government undermining of the free market. Then again I think a 100% free market would be a pretty depraved place.
Dick has a heart?
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.
First, a corporation is a group of people doing business. The term "corporation"
is a tax idea. But groups of people doing business has been occurring since
humans started trading. And "corporations" can be a couple people.
Second, depravity starts with humans acting in that manner. Therefore,
any system will have problems. ANY system. The one with the LEAST
of all is ours. World-wide we have the LEAST corruption. The ones with
the most tend to be those with the highest concentration of power in
the hands of the few; i.e. communist, and dictatorships.
Thus, if we have a continuum from least worst to best (with warts),
it goes from examples like Kony and other dictators, to USSR (think Stalin),
with a close second CHINA, and then on the other end of the spectrum,
we have the United States being the best.
Or, at least, we used to be, but since the 1900s boy have we started
screwing that up as well.
In sum, the general but imperfect rule is: less government, more freedom,
less corruption, less depravity, less injustice.
And of course, anyone who has ever worked in and around our federal
government knows it's the most inefficient way of getting anything done.
I'm not going to argue that government always does right but there are times when they get it right. Also, there are weird times in the "good old days" when the government halted the free market. Southern states would not allow for the freeing of slaves by bequest and not allowing minorities to own property or get a private education.
If we had a regulatory setup like the 1820s now it would probably work but it took a good deal of meddling to get where we are today. Also, thanks for the irrelevant history of corporations as if I was totally unaware.
slavery and minorities and women issues are all uniquely American.
Boy are you wrong. TOTALLY wrong. Of course, modern revisionists
like to leave out that comparison to make us all look like horrible people.
But then, that's been the point: to undermine all that is good about
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MemeGate 2012 - First Responder, post #2
Originally Posted by .skully.