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      05-30-2012 07:57 PM #2851
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      I pledge to paypal $20 to a Ron Paul supporters fund if Ron Paul wins the nomination. Anyone care to bet?

      We can start a CL pool
      Why would I want to waste my money?

      I'll donate $20 to Food Not Bombs, instead
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    2. 05-30-2012 08:01 PM #2852
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      is there a genre of political nutters you don't subscribe to?
      Probably the group that thinks nominating Romney is sane.

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      05-30-2012 09:02 PM #2853
      Don't get me wrong, Romney is a terrible candidate that won't be getting my vote either. It doesn't take away from the potential GOP Tampa Debacle though.
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      05-30-2012 09:32 PM #2854
      Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
      GOP will never allow ron paul to be there candidate. they will always come up with a reason he won't be it. fair, unfair, biased, unbiased ... they simply aren't going to let it happen.
      How about the simple fact that he is horrible, that really should be enough.
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      05-30-2012 09:42 PM #2855
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      How about the simple fact that he is horrible, that really should be enough.
      You're gonna have to expound on that. Horrible isn't exactly the most informative description.
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      05-30-2012 10:21 PM #2856
      Threads getting stale. Needs moar ad hominem attacks

    7. 05-31-2012 03:22 AM #2857
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      How about the simple fact that he is horrible, that really should be enough.
      Romney is horrible, so how can it be?

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      05-31-2012 06:50 AM #2858
      Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
      GOP will never allow ron paul to be there candidate. they will always come up with a reason he won't be it. fair, unfair, biased, unbiased ... they simply aren't going to let it happen.
      Not that I'm defending the GOP, but what incentive should they have for "allowing" a guy who came in a pretty consistent 4th in the popular vote to be their candidate?

      I think President Obama is(was?) one of the most "beatable" incumbents in a long time, based mostly on the economy. Yet the best the GOP could dredge up was Paul Newt, Santorum, and Willard?? That party is in serious need of smart, compassionate, thoughtful, inspiring people. It is devoid of leadership, it is fractured deeply, it is a mess.

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      05-31-2012 08:56 AM #2859
      House to Vote on Ron Paul Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve , Oh look Zombies!!! LOL

      http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ederal-reserve

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      05-31-2012 09:04 AM #2860
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I think President Obama is(was?) one of the most "beatable" incumbents in a long time, based mostly on the economy.
      Ehh... I guess if you repeat the same line enough, it will stick. If you take away the Republicans beating the drum for 3 years or so that Obama has failed on the economy, you see that the negative growth free fall stopped, and there's been steady positive growth since. Yes, not everyone is feeling the benefits of that positive growth and record corporate profits, but that's largely due to the capitalist machinations and policies that Republicans themselves advocate.

      The US growth has gone on remarkably well considering the continued instability of the EU, which is a large trading partner.

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      05-31-2012 09:16 AM #2861
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Not that I'm defending the GOP, but what incentive should they have for "allowing" a guy who came in a pretty consistent 4th in the popular vote to be their candidate?

      I think President Obama is(was?) one of the most "beatable" incumbents in a long time, based mostly on the economy. Yet the best the GOP could dredge up was Paul Newt, Santorum, and Willard?? That party is in serious need of smart, compassionate, thoughtful, inspiring people. It is devoid of leadership, it is fractured deeply, it is a mess.
      because ron paul is equally dangerous if not more dangerous to the GOP then to democrats.
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      05-31-2012 09:17 AM #2862
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      Ehh... I guess if you repeat the same line enough, it will stick. If you take away the Republicans beating the drum for 3 years or so that Obama has failed on the economy, you see that the negative growth free fall stopped, and there's been steady positive growth since. Yes, not everyone is feeling the benefits of that positive growth and record corporate profits, but that's largely due to the capitalist machinations and policies that Republicans themselves advocate.

      The US growth has gone on remarkably well considering the continued instability of the EU, which is a large trading partner.
      They poured out a trillion gallons of water and barely got any in the glass. Fail.

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      05-31-2012 09:42 AM #2863
      Quote Originally Posted by TIGninja View Post
      They poured out a trillion gallons of water and barely got any in the glass. Fail.
      I'd go with they got it in the top glasses, but not the bottom ones:


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      05-31-2012 09:43 AM #2864
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      Ehh... I guess if you repeat the same line enough, it will stick. If you take away the Republicans beating the drum for 3 years or so that Obama has failed on the economy, you see that the negative growth free fall stopped, and there's been steady positive growth since. Yes, not everyone is feeling the benefits of that positive growth and record corporate profits, but that's largely due to the capitalist machinations and policies that Republicans themselves advocate.

      The US growth has gone on remarkably well considering the continued instability of the EU, which is a large trading partner.
      I'm an Obama supporter, you are preaching to the choir, but I still think that a really good candidate from the GOP could have beaten him (closely). Mitt is not that candidate, neither is Ron Paul. I thought Huntsman might be that guy, but he wasn't partisen/backwards enough for the current GOP, what with his support of science and all that.

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      05-31-2012 10:18 AM #2866
      Quote Originally Posted by O_G View Post
      Romney is horrible, so how can it be?
      While he wouldn't be my first choice by a long shot I could at least live with Romney as President.
      I'm just a regular Joe, with a regular job. I'm your average white, suburbanite slob.

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      05-31-2012 10:52 AM #2867
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      While he wouldn't be my first choice by a long shot I could at least live with Romney as President.
      I guess you like war.
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      05-31-2012 10:53 AM #2868
      Quote Originally Posted by pentaxshooter View Post
      I guess you like war.
      On this, you and I concur.
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      05-31-2012 11:26 AM #2869
      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      On this, you and I concur.
      Obama is just as bad on that, though.
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      05-31-2012 11:27 AM #2870
      Quote Originally Posted by pentaxshooter View Post
      Obama is just as bad on that, though.
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    21. 05-31-2012 11:27 AM #2871
      I think it's pretty obvious that no matter who you elect, we'll get into a
      war somewhere. At least with Romney, like Bush, he'll go to Congress
      first...

      I'm not a fan of being in Afghanistan AT ALL. I was very surprised that
      Obama kept us in there. Seems to me his first priority has always been
      his legacy.

      BUT at least Romney is a professional, an executive, with proven leadership
      skills, with a very long resume of accomplishments. He always seemed to
      me, from the get-go, to be BY FAR the best candidate to get us out of
      this rut of an economy.

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      05-31-2012 11:31 AM #2872
      Quote Originally Posted by barry2952 View Post
      Obama ordered escalated U.S. military strikes on Afghanistan, continued U.S. military strikes on Iraq, as well as ordered strikes on Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia. Let's not forget assassinating American citizens!

      I have no doubt he would go to war with Iran on a moments notice
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      05-31-2012 11:34 AM #2873
      Quote Originally Posted by adoniram7 View Post
      I think it's pretty obvious that no matter who you elect, we'll get into a
      war somewhere.
      Why?

      At least with Romney, like Bush, he'll go to Congress
      first...
      When did Bush go to congress for a declaration of war?

      Seems to me his first priority has always been
      his legacy.
      You don't say

      BUT at least Romney is a professional, an executive, with proven leadership
      skills, with a very long resume of accomplishments.
      All fine and dandy, but in what meaningful way is he any different than what we currently have/had had?

      He always seemed to
      me, from the get-go, to be BY FAR the best candidate to get us out of
      this rut of an economy.
      Would he not first have to have some grasp on economics?
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      05-31-2012 11:52 AM #2874
      Quote Originally Posted by adoniram7 View Post
      I think it's pretty obvious that no matter who you elect, we'll get into a
      war somewhere. At least with Romney, like Bush, he'll go to Congress
      first...

      I'm not a fan of being in Afghanistan AT ALL. I was very surprised that
      Obama kept us in there. Seems to me his first priority has always been
      his legacy.

      BUT at least Romney is a professional, an executive, with proven leadership
      skills, with a very long resume of accomplishments. He always seemed to
      me, from the get-go, to be BY FAR the best candidate to get us out of
      this rut of an economy.
      rather have a guy worried about his legacy then one not worried about his legacy.

      also, romney list of accomplishments is everything that has brought our economy to this point, outsourcing, suppy side, bankruptcy ..... he is a pro at doing what has ruined our economy.

      ill agree obama isn't stellar on the economy either, but romney is the problem we have the economy. and while obama my not be the solution, he is better then romney.
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      05-31-2012 11:58 AM #2875
      Quote Originally Posted by pentaxshooter View Post
      When did Bush go to congress for a declaration of war?
      It was approved by the Senate on October 11th 2002 by a margin of 77-23

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