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      05-25-2012 03:11 PM #2801
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      So you agree with every SC decision?
      No, but that is completely besides the point. You/others made the claim that treaties can override the constitution, and I explained, that under the SC's current interpretation, that is not the case. Thanks for playing.
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    2. 05-25-2012 03:25 PM #2802
      Quote Originally Posted by pentaxshooter View Post
      No, but that is completely besides the point. You/others made the claim that treaties can override the constitution, and I explained, that under the SC's current interpretation, that is not the case. Thanks for playing.
      No one said they override the Constitution. It was merely pointed out that the Constitution states all treaties we are signatory to are the "supreme law of the land"

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      05-25-2012 05:10 PM #2804
      Quote Originally Posted by joness0154 View Post
      No one said they override the Constitution. It was merely pointed out that the Constitution states all treaties we are signatory to are the "supreme law of the land"
      He's so smart, he knew that.
      signatures are annoying, right?

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      05-25-2012 07:05 PM #2805
      Quote Originally Posted by dubinsincuwereindiapers View Post
      Settle down, and lay off the YouTube for a bit; OK Chuck?
      Do you think this is not an attempt to install a world currency? The worldo?

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      05-25-2012 07:51 PM #2806
      Quote Originally Posted by TIGninja View Post
      Do you think this is not an attempt to install a world currency? The worldo?
      Dude your too much man working on any good projects lately?

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      05-25-2012 09:33 PM #2807
      Quote Originally Posted by dubinsincuwereindiapers View Post
      Dude your too much man working on any good projects lately?
      I just finished putting the rabbit trans back together and ordered suspension,found some 16v brakes. There is a weekend event coming up and I am going to drag race and probably time attack the rabbit on the same weekend

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      05-26-2012 11:54 AM #2808
      Quote Originally Posted by TIGninja View Post
      Do you think this is not an attempt to install a world currency? The worldo?
      Great, more fun on tap!
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      05-26-2012 11:55 AM #2809
      Quote Originally Posted by Jesus is my pilot View Post
      It's taken four years but I'm glad OT has come around to the policies of President Bush and his administration.

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      05-26-2012 11:56 AM #2810
      Quote Originally Posted by TIGninja View Post
      What a bunch of establishment nut swinging dildos. They think that bashing people here who push for more freedom will stop the collapse of the petro dollar. Sorry to break it to you but the system is collapsing and the people will not let the submissives install another tool for your masters.
      I see you didn't get any smarter over time. Surprised, not.
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      05-27-2012 04:21 PM #2811
      Quote Originally Posted by O_G View Post
      Fixed
      debatable. Reagan wasn't one of my favorites, either.
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      Tax? I don't mind paying state sales tax. Every time a see a pothole, a school that is falling down or a canceled essential state program, I remind myself why.
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      535 members of congress plus 1 pres screwing us all the time...that's dirty pirate hooker level gang rape.

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      05-27-2012 05:38 PM #2812
      Quote Originally Posted by petesell View Post
      probably? how about worst president in american history?! you could make a very strong case for that given the combination of both foreign & domestic disasters. his response to hurrican katrina victims was nothing short of shameful. economically, you could say that similar laissez faire policies of herbert hoover both led to & fed the great depression, but hoover never had the whole killing hundreds of thousands of people over false pretense thing. possibly worse than that are his supreme court appointees, who've in some orwellian fashion somehow equated unlimited political spending by a financial construct to "free speech". of everything done under bush's watch, the citizens united decision will probably go the furthest in destroying representative democracy. if you thought money in politics was out of control the last few elections cycles, watch what happens in 2012.

      harding had about as corrupt an administration as there's ever been, and nixon really was a crook, but neither approaches the cluster**** that was the bush presidency.
      Bush's response to Katrina has more to do with the state elected government (specifically Kathleen Blanco) than it did with Bush. Not defending Bush, but LA literally made it next to impossible for Federal supplies to get to the local workers and thus really bottlenecked the recovery and search. Blanco later admitted that the state response and assistance to the Federal level was shameful and she took full responsibility. Congress later did an investigation and discovered that the state government made the Federal government jump through hoops and rings to get aid and support in. There's a reason Blanco was not re-elected.

      Aside from that, I agree with everything else you said

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      05-28-2012 10:05 AM #2813
      Quote Originally Posted by Egilbe View Post
      Probably the worst President since James Buchanan
      FTFY.
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      Bush's response to Katrina has more to do with the state elected government (specifically Kathleen Blanco) than it did with Bush. Not defending Bush, but LA literally made it next to impossible for Federal supplies to get to the local workers and thus really bottlenecked the recovery and search

      Untrue.

      You have been manipulated by Karl Rove and Fox News.
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      05-28-2012 11:27 AM #2814
      As we pause to remember those who fought and died, let us not, let us never, romanticize war or its participants. War remains the essence of the state and a consequence of the belief in its necessity, omnipotence, and glorification. Orwell said that if one wanted to understand the essence of the Party, imagine a boot stomping a human face forever. If you want to understand the essence of the state, it is the dead and mangled bodies of innocent young men and women, both those dragooned into "serving" and those at the wrong end of the gun, bomber, missile or drone. Let us today remember both the former and the latter.

      There is nothing romantic about murdering innocents so that politicians can gain power and the military-industrial complex can enrich itself with the blood of those innocents. The essence of war, and therefore the state, is the family whose son will never have a future because he died because some politician thought other people's children should never have a future. War represents the very opposite of the vision of peaceful social cooperation the defines the classical liberal vision.

      The politicians and their corporatist sycophants who tell us the lies that lead to war are the real killers here and let us use this day to remember that the real battle is against THEM, not the innocents that empire continues to destroy. - Steve Horwitz
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      05-28-2012 11:54 AM #2815
      I'm almost tempted to post that on Facebook today, Pentax. The military, more than everyone else, knows the true cost of war. The military isn't a fan.
      Quote Originally Posted by winstonsmith84 View Post
      Tax? I don't mind paying state sales tax. Every time a see a pothole, a school that is falling down or a canceled essential state program, I remind myself why.
      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      535 members of congress plus 1 pres screwing us all the time...that's dirty pirate hooker level gang rape.

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      05-28-2012 12:05 PM #2816
      Quote Originally Posted by Egilbe View Post
      I'm almost tempted to post that on Facebook today, Pentax. The military, more than everyone else, knows the true cost of war. The military isn't a fan.
      "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato

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      05-30-2012 01:38 PM #2817
      Per CNN Romney has unoffically reached the 1144 delegate landmark.
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      05-30-2012 01:57 PM #2818
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Per CNN Romney has unoffically reached the 1144 delegate landmark.

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      05-30-2012 02:17 PM #2819
      And Romney's with Donald Trump at fundraiser while Trump is still beating the Birther drum. Should there be guilt-by-association for Romney for not adequately distancing himself from Trump on this?

      It's a bit of commentary on the importance of money in getting elected that both candidates will pal around with celebrities with fringe political positions simply to keep the money coming in. Granted there is a Birther voter demographic that Romney needs to not lose votes from, but by definition I don't think they'd be voting for Obama instead.

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      05-30-2012 02:25 PM #2820
      Quote Originally Posted by Egilbe View Post
      I'm almost tempted to post that on Facebook today, Pentax. The military, more than everyone else, knows the true cost of war. The military isn't a fan.
      bull****

      maybe the grunts on the ground, but the military as a whole LOVES war. politicians love it even more.
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      05-30-2012 02:56 PM #2821
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      And Romney's with Donald Trump at fundraiser while Trump is still beating the Birther drum. Should there be guilt-by-association for Romney for not adequately distancing himself from Trump on this?

      It's a bit of commentary on the importance of money in getting elected that both candidates will pal around with celebrities with fringe political positions simply to keep the money coming in. Granted there is a Birther voter demographic that Romney needs to not lose votes from, but by definition I don't think they'd be voting for Obama instead.
      CNN has the same opinion on Romney buying his spot.

      "Tonight, after six years of trying and millions of dollars spent, and after a year of tepid support against one of the weakest fields in history, Mitt Romney has finally secured enough delegates to become the Republican Party's presidential nominee," wrote Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. "Romney may have finally gained enough delegates to become the nominee, but what's been truly remarkable about his path to the nomination is how much damage he's left in his wake as he enters the general election."
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      05-30-2012 03:09 PM #2822
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      And Romney's with Donald Trump at fundraiser while Trump is still beating the Birther drum. Should there be guilt-by-association for Romney for not adequately distancing himself from Trump on this?
      it's hard for me to understand what type of person 'looks up' to someone like trump. he's hard on the eyes (nice faux orange tan!), not particularly intelligent or worldly, got his money from his daddy, and he's a serial narcissist. i don't think the purple state independents romney needs to win a presidential election are influenced by a person like this, and the birther absurdity only makes him sound ridiculous. is there a poll in the country that makes an endorsement from this guy a positive?

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      05-30-2012 03:14 PM #2823
      Quote Originally Posted by petesell View Post
      it's hard for me to understand what type of person 'looks up' to someone like trump. he's hard on the eyes (nice faux orange tan!), not particularly intelligent or worldly, got his money from his daddy, and he's a serial narcissist. i don't think the purple state independents romney needs to win a presidential election are influenced by a person like this, and the birther absurdity only makes him sound ridiculous. is there a poll in the country that makes an endorsement from this guy a positive?
      If his head gets any bigger his wig will pop off.
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      05-30-2012 03:29 PM #2824
      The Pauilites are still insistings Romeny hasn't clinched, that even the bound delegates don't have to vote for Romney at the Convention, and that Paul will still hadidly win the nomination in Tampa because Paul supporters have taken up all the delegate positions and plan to ignore the popular vote.



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      05-30-2012 03:32 PM #2825
      Quote Originally Posted by petesell View Post
      it's hard for me to understand what type of person 'looks up' to someone like trump. he's hard on the eyes (nice faux orange tan!), not particularly intelligent or worldly, got his money from his daddy, and he's a serial narcissist. i don't think the purple state independents romney needs to win a presidential election are influenced by a person like this, and the birther absurdity only makes him sound ridiculous. is there a poll in the country that makes an endorsement from this guy a positive?
      not only that but he isn't even a good businessman, he has declared bankruptcy like 6 times.
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