The ONE & ONLY 2012 Politics/Election Thread

[2.0T_Convert]

And Romney's with Donald Trump at fundraiser while Trump is still beating the Birther drum. Should there be guilt-by-association for Romney for not adequately distancing himself from Trump on this?

It's a bit of commentary on the importance of money in getting elected that both candidates will pal around with celebrities with fringe political positions simply to keep the money coming in. Granted there is a Birther voter demographic that Romney needs to not lose votes from, but by definition I don't think they'd be voting for Obama instead.

CNN has the same opinion on Romney buying his spot.

"Tonight, after six years of trying and millions of dollars spent, and after a year of tepid support against one of the weakest fields in history, Mitt Romney has finally secured enough delegates to become the Republican Party's presidential nominee," wrote Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. "Romney may have finally gained enough delegates to become the nominee, but what's been truly remarkable about his path to the nomination is how much damage he's left in his wake as he enters the general election."

CNN.com

[petesell]

And Romney's with Donald Trump at fundraiser while Trump is still beating the Birther drum. Should there be guilt-by-association for Romney for not adequately distancing himself from Trump on this?

it's hard for me to understand what type of person 'looks up' to someone like trump. he's hard on the eyes (nice faux orange tan!), not particularly intelligent or worldly, got his money from his daddy, and he's a serial narcissist. i don't think the purple state independents romney needs to win a presidential election are influenced by a person like this, and the birther absurdity only makes him sound ridiculous. is there a poll in the country that makes an endorsement from this guy a positive?

[barry2952]

it's hard for me to understand what type of person 'looks up' to someone like trump. he's hard on the eyes (nice faux orange tan!), not particularly intelligent or worldly, got his money from his daddy, and he's a serial narcissist. i don't think the purple state independents romney needs to win a presidential election are influenced by a person like this, and the birther absurdity only makes him sound ridiculous. is there a poll in the country that makes an endorsement from this guy a positive?

If his head gets any bigger his wig will pop off.

[Sporin]

The Pauilites are still insistings Romeny hasn't clinched, that even the bound delegates don't have to vote for Romney at the Convention, and that Paul will still hadidly win the nomination in Tampa because Paul supporters have taken up all the delegate positions and plan to ignore the popular vote.



http://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...omination.html

[cockerpunk]

it's hard for me to understand what type of person 'looks up' to someone like trump. he's hard on the eyes (nice faux orange tan!), not particularly intelligent or worldly, got his money from his daddy, and he's a serial narcissist. i don't think the purple state independents romney needs to win a presidential election are influenced by a person like this, and the birther absurdity only makes him sound ridiculous. is there a poll in the country that makes an endorsement from this guy a positive?

not only that but he isn't even a good businessman, he has declared bankruptcy like 6 times.

[Mike!]

not only that but he isn't even a good businessman, he has declared bankruptcy like 6 times.

Well, collecting cumulative billions from corporations you run, own, or are on the board for in salary and bonuses still makes you a 'shrewd' businessman in the sense of personal interest. Some of those businesses doing poorly and filing for bankruptcy protection is separate from that. I suppose it still means he's not a 'good' businessman.

[2.0T_Convert]

The Pauilites are still insistings Romeny hasn't clinched, that even the bound delegates don't have to vote for Romney at the Convention, and that Paul will still hadidly win the nomination in Tampa because Paul supporters have taken up all the delegate positions and plan to ignore the popular vote.



http://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...omination.html

I love it.

So basically according to some supporters Ron Paul is only going to win the nomination because he had a handful of supports take advantage of the delegate process.... basically: Ron Paul 2012: GOP Candidate who only really got 12% of the popular vote.

[pentaxshooter]

The Pauilites are still insistings Romeny hasn't clinched, that even the bound delegates don't have to vote for Romney at the Convention, and that Paul will still hadidly win the nomination in Tampa because Paul supporters have taken up all the delegate positions and plan to ignore the popular vote.



http://www.city-data.com/forum/elect...omination.html

The "bound" delegates aren't really bound, that is a fact, as per a statement from RNC lawyers. That being said, I reserve judgment till Tampa.

[Sporin]

I love it.

So basically according to some supporters Ron Paul is only going to win the nomination because he had a handful of supports take advantage of the delegate process.... basically: Ron Paul 2012: GOP Candidate who only really got 12% of the popular vote.

"They" insist that the projected delegate counts that everyone is using are a sham by the "Main Stream Media" and that the Romney/GOP establishment machine (tin foil hat time) has pulle doff an every-state voting cheat so large that Ron Paul has acutally won the popular vote in many states as well.

[Sporin]

The "bound" delegates aren't really bound, that is a fact, as per a statement from RNC lawyers. That being said, I reserve judgment till Tampa.

I made a whole thread on that forum where I vowed to stop arguing and trying to reason with the loons and told them to get out there and make it happen! If "they" are so sure that they can pull it off, then make it so! Should be no problem, right? Some of those guys are utterly, completely convinced they are right so why fight it?

So I am firmly on record as thinking Ron Paul's whole "Delegates" strategy is bunk. i think his supporters have built it up in their minds to such mythological proportions that they actually think winning delegates in a few small states will get them the nod. That somehow "infiltrating" is better then actually WINNING these state races. That these supposed "Constitutional Patriots" think that the popular vote is something to be subverted, and bypassed, based on their own tin-foil-hat rantings about "cheating."

Whatever. Everyone is allowed their own theories and opinions.

But the one thing I think is missing in all these discussions is that I would actually be FASCINATED if they pulled it off. I think it would be the most significant election event in US history.

I think the IMPLOSION this would cause in the GOP would be deeply interesting, historically catastrophic.

I already predict that the President will win reelection in a close race against Romney. But against Ron Paul? After pulling a delegate coup in Tampa against the GOP establishment? I think you'd see Ron Paul lose in landslide numbers that will set records.

But let's see it, make it happen Paulbots, bring on the show!

[cockerpunk]

GOP will never allow ron paul to be there candidate. they will always come up with a reason he won't be it. fair, unfair, biased, unbiased ... they simply aren't going to let it happen.

[2.0T_Convert]

"They" insist that the projected delegate counts that everyone is using are a sham by the "Main Stream Media" and that the Romney/GOP establishment machine (tin foil hat time) has pulle doff an every-state voting cheat so large that Ron Paul has acutally won the popular vote in many states as well.

So to extend that logic then entire media complex along with hundreds of other publication sources are all part of a giant conspiracy meant to keep us mass citizens in the dark of the fact that the majority of this country clearly are screaming for Ron Paul. Oh and of course any polls on websites like this are clearly meaningless as well since you, me, and dozens of others must all the plants from the 2-party conspiracy agency.


If Ron Paul wins the nomination then IMO it is a clear sign the system really is broken because the popular vote has clearly been swept under the rug of a little understood political process. In other words Ron Paul will win by the very underhanded corrupt methods his advocates accuse others of using.

[TIGninja]

The "bound" delegates aren't really bound, that is a fact, as per a statement from RNC lawyers. That being said, I reserve judgment till Tampa.

Exactly. This is far from over like the media would like to insist. According to the media Ron Paul still has not won a state but the facts are he has won quite a few. It is Ironic that the safeguards that were put in to keep the people from taking over the process are now going to be what put the people in control of the process. It makes me giggle

[A.Wilder]

Exactly. This is far from over like the media would like to insist. According to the media Ron Paul still has not won a state but the facts are he has won quite a few. It is Ironic that the safeguards that were put in to keep the people from taking over the process are now going to be what put the people in control of the process. It makes me giggle

is there a genre of political nutters you don't subscribe to?

[2.0T_Convert]

I pledge to paypal $20 to a Ron Paul supporters fund if Ron Paul wins the nomination. Anyone care to bet?

We can start a CL pool

[pentaxshooter]

I pledge to paypal $20 to a Ron Paul supporters fund if Ron Paul wins the nomination. Anyone care to bet?

We can start a CL pool

Why would I want to waste my money?

I'll donate $20 to Food Not Bombs, instead

[O_G]

is there a genre of political nutters you don't subscribe to?

Probably the group that thinks nominating Romney is sane.

[Sporin]

Don't get me wrong, Romney is a terrible candidate that won't be getting my vote either. It doesn't take away from the potential GOP Tampa Debacle though.

[jnm2.0t]

GOP will never allow ron paul to be there candidate. they will always come up with a reason he won't be it. fair, unfair, biased, unbiased ... they simply aren't going to let it happen.

How about the simple fact that he is horrible, that really should be enough.

[pentaxshooter]

How about the simple fact that he is horrible, that really should be enough.

You're gonna have to expound on that. Horrible isn't exactly the most informative description.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

Threads getting stale. Needs moar ad hominem attacks

[O_G]

How about the simple fact that he is horrible, that really should be enough.

Romney is horrible, so how can it be?

[Sporin]

GOP will never allow ron paul to be there candidate. they will always come up with a reason he won't be it. fair, unfair, biased, unbiased ... they simply aren't going to let it happen.

Not that I'm defending the GOP, but what incentive should they have for "allowing" a guy who came in a pretty consistent 4th in the popular vote to be their candidate?

I think President Obama is(was?) one of the most "beatable" incumbents in a long time, based mostly on the economy. Yet the best the GOP could dredge up was Paul Newt, Santorum, and Willard?? That party is in serious need of smart, compassionate, thoughtful, inspiring people. It is devoid of leadership, it is fractured deeply, it is a mess.

[TIGninja]

House to Vote on Ron Paul Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve , Oh look Zombies!!! LOL

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ederal-reserve

[Mike!]

I think President Obama is(was?) one of the most "beatable" incumbents in a long time, based mostly on the economy.

Ehh... I guess if you repeat the same line enough, it will stick. If you take away the Republicans beating the drum for 3 years or so that Obama has failed on the economy, you see that the negative growth free fall stopped, and there's been steady positive growth since. Yes, not everyone is feeling the benefits of that positive growth and record corporate profits, but that's largely due to the capitalist machinations and policies that Republicans themselves advocate.

The US growth has gone on remarkably well considering the continued instability of the EU, which is a large trading partner.

[cockerpunk]

Not that I'm defending the GOP, but what incentive should they have for "allowing" a guy who came in a pretty consistent 4th in the popular vote to be their candidate?

I think President Obama is(was?) one of the most "beatable" incumbents in a long time, based mostly on the economy. Yet the best the GOP could dredge up was Paul Newt, Santorum, and Willard?? That party is in serious need of smart, compassionate, thoughtful, inspiring people. It is devoid of leadership, it is fractured deeply, it is a mess.

because ron paul is equally dangerous if not more dangerous to the GOP then to democrats.

[TIGninja]

Ehh... I guess if you repeat the same line enough, it will stick. If you take away the Republicans beating the drum for 3 years or so that Obama has failed on the economy, you see that the negative growth free fall stopped, and there's been steady positive growth since. Yes, not everyone is feeling the benefits of that positive growth and record corporate profits, but that's largely due to the capitalist machinations and policies that Republicans themselves advocate.

The US growth has gone on remarkably well considering the continued instability of the EU, which is a large trading partner.

They poured out a trillion gallons of water and barely got any in the glass. Fail.

[Mike!]

They poured out a trillion gallons of water and barely got any in the glass. Fail.

I'd go with they got it in the top glasses, but not the bottom ones:

[Sporin]

Ehh... I guess if you repeat the same line enough, it will stick. If you take away the Republicans beating the drum for 3 years or so that Obama has failed on the economy, you see that the negative growth free fall stopped, and there's been steady positive growth since. Yes, not everyone is feeling the benefits of that positive growth and record corporate profits, but that's largely due to the capitalist machinations and policies that Republicans themselves advocate.

The US growth has gone on remarkably well considering the continued instability of the EU, which is a large trading partner.

I'm an Obama supporter, you are preaching to the choir, but I still think that a really good candidate from the GOP could have beaten him (closely). Mitt is not that candidate, neither is Ron Paul. I thought Huntsman might be that guy, but he wasn't partisen/backwards enough for the current GOP, what with his support of science and all that.

[dubinsincuwereindiapers]

Uh Oh! Jugallo's endorse Romney!
http://universenumberfive.wordpress....in-michigan-2/

[jnm2.0t]

Romney is horrible, so how can it be?

While he wouldn't be my first choice by a long shot I could at least live with Romney as President.

[pentaxshooter]

While he wouldn't be my first choice by a long shot I could at least live with Romney as President.

I guess you like war.

[barry2952]

I guess you like war.

On this, you and I concur.

[pentaxshooter]

On this, you and I concur.

Obama is just as bad on that, though.

[barry2952]

Obama is just as bad on that, though.