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    Thread: European Trucks vs American Trucks.. why the difference?

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      01-18-2012 12:22 PM #26
      I don't know the exact reasons but I can tell you that a cab looks cooler (my opinion) but rides horribly. Riding directly over the front wheels SUCKS!
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      01-18-2012 12:28 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post


      its actually back up, and i did look, just european truck racing showed up
      Nope, it just loaded the main page and then interrupted me mid page load for "trucks" to show a black screen with a big W logo and a shadow cast saying they'll be shut down for 24 hours to raise awareness.

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      01-18-2012 12:30 PM #28
      If i remember correctly, in North America, the length laws only touch the trailer length, while in Europe the length that matters is the overall length of the truck and the trailer, therefore shorter trucks. as simple as that

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      01-18-2012 12:34 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by svantevid View Post
      If i remember correctly, in North America, the length laws only touch the trailer length, while in Europe the length that matters is the overall length of the truck and the trailer, therefore shorter trucks. as simple as that
      You are correct.

      Some parts of the US had similar restrictions in the 1960s and 1970s, so cabovers were common in those decades, but quickly lost popularity after length laws were standardized.

      http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/...-semi-tractor/

    5. 01-18-2012 12:44 PM #30
      So that's why Optimus grew the nose. It wasn't all Michael Bay's fault.....

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      01-18-2012 12:45 PM #31
      its a combination of most things listed above, and also some other factors:

      such as the roads being very tight, more like highways instead of interstates like here in the US. the shorter rig lenght of the european model makes it much easier to move around, while in the US the nose is actually much more efficient at high speeds, like on interstates.

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      01-18-2012 12:52 PM #32
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      01-18-2012 01:46 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by vasillalov View Post
      Bumper height regulations! Something that DOT does not get.
      What about public transit buses in the country?



      Still either semi will hurt in a collision!

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      01-18-2012 01:49 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by 1Point8TDan View Post

      Still either semi will hurt in a collision!
      what?

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      01-18-2012 01:55 PM #35
      I was never happy with the change:




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      01-18-2012 01:56 PM #36
      COE (cab over engine) trucks used to be the most popular in the US.

      In the 40ies and 50ies this made for some really nice looking rigs :







      And don't forget the Jeep Forward Control :

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      01-18-2012 02:11 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by svantevid View Post
      what?
      You want want to be involved in a head on collision with a N.A or Euro semi regardless how the front end looks.

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      01-18-2012 02:28 PM #38
      Reason you don't see too many cabovers in the US anymore is for two reasons, #1-not as safe as the standard nose truck. #2-fat americans, if you've ever tried to crawl into a cabover, it's almost impossible for fatties. Freightliner came out with a newer cabover design that has steps that swing out from the bottom of the cab (think adjustable wings on an F-14) which made it easier for the driver to get in and out. I've driven cabovers and yes I'm a fatty as well, but I didn't feel safe in it and they ride like ****. With trailors moving more into the 57' range (max is 53' now), you'll likely see a rebirth of the cabover.
      Quote Originally Posted by aadosx View Post
      But that should be a hint not to poke the rear so much. Just my two cents.
      I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra scary to me, because there's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run. He's fuzzy. Get outta here!
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      01-18-2012 02:32 PM #39
      The Argosy



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      01-18-2012 02:33 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by evertoconquer View Post
      Reason you don't see too many cabovers in the US anymore is for two reasons, #1-not as safe as the standard nose truck. r.
      reminds me of top gear


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      01-18-2012 02:40 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by JOHNS92JETTA View Post
      The Argosy

      Exactly was I was talking about.
      Quote Originally Posted by aadosx View Post
      But that should be a hint not to poke the rear so much. Just my two cents.
      I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra scary to me, because there's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run. He's fuzzy. Get outta here!
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      01-18-2012 03:13 PM #42
      Which style has better aerodynamics?
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      i'd lock this thread but i have no clue how...

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      01-18-2012 03:14 PM #43
      my guess would be American

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      01-18-2012 03:28 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by JOHNS92JETTA View Post
      And this is the other reason. Nothing like having all your **** in the cab and sleeper dump all over the windshield because you need to work on the motor on the side of the road.
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      01-18-2012 03:50 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by KahviVW View Post
      Which style has better aerodynamics?
      'merican. With the new "nose" designs from KW and Mack, the other manufacturers are playing catch up. CAT has started manufacturing their own line of trucks, which I'm not entirely sure they aren't rebadged Macks. Truck manufaturers are doing all they can to make trucks more fuel efficient to which they'll never break the 10mpg barrier. Fact is, most trucks only get between 7-8 mpg even with all the new advances in trucking, ie..., super single tires, fairings for the trailors and generators for the trucks to cut back idle time.
      Quote Originally Posted by aadosx View Post
      But that should be a hint not to poke the rear so much. Just my two cents.
      I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra scary to me, because there's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run. He's fuzzy. Get outta here!
      -Mitch Hedberg

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      01-18-2012 03:54 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Double-V View Post
      And this is the other reason. Nothing like having all your **** in the cab and sleeper dump all over the windshield because you need to work on the motor on the side of the road.
      I've always thought that, too.

      I remember seeing on the news a particular crash involving a cabover. The nose of the truck was hanging off of a bridge and tilted forward in the collision. It was basically hanging on it's damaged hinges... Until it let go. The driver had to sit there and watch/feel it happen. I can't imagine the fear of looking down into a deep ravine and having the truck come slowly apart knowing that you're going to die. *shudders*
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      01-18-2012 03:56 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by evertoconquer View Post
      Fact is, most trucks only get between 7-8 mpg even with all the new advances in trucking, ie..., super single tires, fairings for the trailors and generators for the trucks to cut back idle time.
      True, but .25 mph is a huge gain in the long term. Compare that to 15 mpg in a large regular pickup and you begin to see how good 7-8 mpg is, too.
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      01-18-2012 04:00 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by evertoconquer View Post
      'merican. With the new "nose" designs from KW and Mack, the other manufacturers are playing catch up. CAT has started manufacturing their own line of trucks, which I'm not entirely sure they aren't rebadged Macks. Truck manufaturers are doing all they can to make trucks more fuel efficient to which they'll never break the 10mpg barrier. Fact is, most trucks only get between 7-8 mpg even with all the new advances in trucking, ie..., super single tires, fairings for the trailors and generators for the trucks to cut back idle time.
      We make a vocational truck only, no over the road semi's at this time. Its a joint venture with International - You have your choice of International or Cat engines and Eaton or Cat auto transmissions (the truck was actually built around the new Cat transmission). Cat built the cab, International the frame.

      Its called the CT660 if you want to read more.


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      01-18-2012 04:04 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by evertoconquer View Post
      CAT has started manufacturing their own line of trucks, which I'm not entirely sure they aren't rebadged Macks.
      Rebadged International 9000 series.

      edit: beat to it.

      But the cab looks very International.
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      01-18-2012 04:05 PM #50
      ^

      I guess they don't all come in yellow.
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