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      06-12-2012 03:14 PM #176
      Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo@GonzoTuning View Post
      Tuning for spool alone may net you less power before the spool.
      If you are retarding the timing and running rich to spool faster, your powerband before the spool is going to suck. I tune for power which means that when the turbo spools, the torque kicks in hard and pushes you back in the seat.

      Walbro should be OK until we get past 400hp+. When we get there, then you can start worrying about it.
      Just seeing other similar setups 400+ shouldn't be a lofty goal. I'm just thinking down the road it will be necessary. Plus my birthday is coming up so of course I'll have to get a little present for myself itll make it easier for me to justify the purchase lol

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      06-12-2012 03:17 PM #177
      Quote Originally Posted by seth_3515 View Post
      Just seeing other similar setups 400+ shouldn't be a lofty goal. I'm just thinking down the road it will be necessary. Plus my birthday is coming up so of course I'll have to get a little present for myself itll make it easier for me to justify the purchase lol
      Perfectly understandable but let's get your car running first
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      Quote Originally Posted by doug@frankenturbo.com View Post
      removal of the FrankenTurbo's actuator and replacement with a third-party's hardware voids the turbocharger's 2-year "warranty" [sic]

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      06-12-2012 03:32 PM #178
      Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo@GonzoTuning View Post
      Perfectly understandable but let's get your car running first
      Yup, I'll be working on it this evening when I get off work

    4. 06-12-2012 03:44 PM #179
      Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo@GonzoTuning View Post
      Tuning for spool alone may net you less power before the spool.
      If you are retarding the timing and running rich to spool faster, your powerband before the spool is going to suck.
      I find it hard to process these statements when AFR and timing are not static. You should be able to tune off-boost/on-boost AFR and Timing independently (for example, only fatten the fuel curve at boost onset to promote spool).

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      06-12-2012 05:10 PM #180
      Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Aurelius View Post
      I find it hard to process these statements when AFR and timing are not static. You should be able to tune off-boost/on-boost AFR and Timing independently (for example, only fatten the fuel curve at boost onset to promote spool).
      Who said I couldn't tune just fuel or timing? My point was that tuning for spool alone will not exactly get you the most power. The point is to make more power all around instead of just focusing on spooling the turbo a few RPM's sooner and lose power in the process.
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      Quote Originally Posted by doug@frankenturbo.com View Post
      removal of the FrankenTurbo's actuator and replacement with a third-party's hardware voids the turbocharger's 2-year "warranty" [sic]

    6. 06-12-2012 05:51 PM #181
      Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo@GonzoTuning View Post
      Who said I couldn't tune just fuel or timing? My point was that tuning for spool alone will not exactly get you the most power. The point is to make more power all around instead of just focusing on spooling the turbo a few RPM's sooner and lose power in the process.
      No disrespect but I don't think you read or understood what I was saying. Looking at the fuel curve and timing curve independently, you could tune off-boost and on-boost behavior separately.

      To make it easy let's take AFR first, you could easily run fat (rich spool) right before and at boost onset to help spool up. After that, the rest of the curve could be leaned out for best power depending on the octane and knock threshold.

      Same thing in regards to timing, off-boost response can be easily tweaked sperately from on-boost to get the best in both area (especially when using load specific softwares like the ones you use).

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      06-12-2012 06:01 PM #182
      You don't think I already do this?
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      Quote Originally Posted by doug@frankenturbo.com View Post
      removal of the FrankenTurbo's actuator and replacement with a third-party's hardware voids the turbocharger's 2-year "warranty" [sic]

    8. 06-12-2012 06:06 PM #183
      Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo@GonzoTuning View Post
      Tuning for spool alone may net you less power before the spool.
      If you are retarding the timing and running rich to spool faster, your powerband before the spool is going to suck. I tune for power which means that when the turbo spools, the torque kicks in hard and pushes you back in the seat.

      Walbro should be OK until we get past 400hp+. When we get there, then you can start worrying about it.

      Edit: BTW I had VVT test files before any of the big tuners had it...
      There is noticeable gains even with the stock turbo.
      The irony I was referring to was you tuning for 20+ psi of spool, in neutral on a k03s. Were you "tuning for power" then?

      Unitronic and Apr both tuned vvt for performance long ago; Eurodyne was late to the party on that one, but introduced launch control, and no lift shift 3+ years ago BTW; just thought id mention it, since you like to lay claim to being an innovator there too.

      Not hating, but damn man; don't make such an ass of yourself on the forums man. Guys here remember things buddy.

      Keep on keeping on
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      06-12-2012 06:27 PM #184
      Quote Originally Posted by *+NEIL*+DIAMOND*+ View Post
      The irony I was referring to was you tuning for 20+ psi of spool, in neutral on a k03s. Were you "tuning for power" then?

      Unitronic and Apr both tuned vvt for performance long ago; Eurodyne was late to the party on that one, but introduced launch control, and no lift shift 3+ years ago BTW; just thought id mention it, since you like to lay claim to being an innovator there too.

      Not hating, but damn man; don't make such an ass of yourself on the forums man. Guys here remember things buddy.

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      06-12-2012 07:18 PM #185
      The real irony is te actual time it would take to do all this dyno tweaking and money that would have to be spent for time on the dyno.. Plus it's remote tuning, he won't be there to tweak the file between each dyno run; hence more money, time, and driving to the dyno. You all are making a problem out of nothing. This isn't a dedicated track car that will follow a racing circuit. So I won't spend the time and gobs of money plus the hour commute to the dyno on a regular basis to squeeze out a little bit of hp. The car will be street tuned then dyno'd for ****s and giggles. If someone wants to pay for dyno time to actually justify their point for an Internet argument, I'll pm you my PayPal this is only the first stage.. After the car is in good running condition, I'll be doing an AWD swap next summer. That includes stroking to a 2.1l which I already have a crank rods and bearings for. Then the built head and an HTA35r, then roll cage then it'll be a dedicated track car. That I will want to get every bit of power out. That's thousands of dollars and lots of downtime only of everything goes perfectly to plan, which it never does.. Take the Internet penis war somewhere else. This thread is to show results only..

    11. 06-12-2012 07:26 PM #186
      Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo@GonzoTuning View Post
      You don't think I already do this?
      Well, it's a bit hard for me to guess when your keyboard is saying the opposite ("If you are retarding the timing and running rich to spool faster, your powerband before the spool is going to suck. ) ... and it's the only reason why we are having this discussion about spool and on-boost/off-boost power.

      Turn of events:

      You made a statement that tuning for one area hurt the other - I enter the conversation to say that it's hard for me to reconcile the logic when you can tune each area independently - you back up and reinforce your original statement - I explained how it is easily done when you have a load specific adjusting software - you ask if I didn't think you did that already - me getting more confused about what you mean then when I first entered the discussion.

      So which one is it?

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      06-12-2012 08:44 PM #187
      Cleared codes and camshaft code keeps popping up.

    13. 06-12-2012 10:07 PM #188
      Quote Originally Posted by seth_3515 View Post
      Cleared codes and camshaft code keeps popping up.
      More irony..
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      06-12-2012 10:13 PM #189
      Quote Originally Posted by *+NEIL*+DIAMOND*+ View Post
      More irony..
      I cleared it it popped up again, so I'm looking for a new one.. Whys That ironic?

      -new one on the way..
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    15. 06-12-2012 10:39 PM #190
      Quote Originally Posted by seth_3515 View Post
      I cleared it it popped up again, so I'm looking for a new one.. Whys That ironic?

      -new one on the way..
      Just being a wiseass buddy its ironic because of the discussion about vvt tunes, and the fact that it shouldn't be coded out IMO.
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      06-12-2012 10:43 PM #191
      I didn't code it out. I just cleared the code with VCDS to see if it would throw it again after checking the wires and connection. It did, so I ordered a new one from ECS.

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      06-12-2012 11:02 PM #192
      Anyone ever deal with this instrument cluster code? Not Sure what it could be I'm looking it up on rosstech now to try and find some possible issues

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      06-12-2012 11:23 PM #193
      Could be a mismatch between cluster and ECU SW...

      I had that code on my TDI when I did an ECU and harness swap from a newer car.
      My cluster didn't connect to CAN I believe. I just swapped the cluster and was done with it but I would ignore it for now. We can get rid of the code later.
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      Quote Originally Posted by doug@frankenturbo.com View Post
      removal of the FrankenTurbo's actuator and replacement with a third-party's hardware voids the turbocharger's 2-year "warranty" [sic]

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      06-12-2012 11:27 PM #194
      Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo@GonzoTuning View Post
      Could be a mismatch between cluster and ECU SW...

      I had that code on my TDI when I did an ECU and harness swap from a newer car.
      My cluster didn't connect to CAN I believe. I just swapped the cluster and was done with it but I would ignore it for now. We can get rid of the code later.
      It's cool, with the other 3 codes "figured out" I was starting to look this up. I'm honestly not too worried about it, but can't do anything else to the car tonight so I was curious as to why it was

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      06-13-2012 08:39 AM #195
      VCDS Version: Release 11.11.3 (x64)
      Data version: 20120401

      Wednesday,13,June,2012,07:38:26:12722

      Chassis Type: 8N - Audi TT
      Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 22 35 37 45 55 56 76 77

      Mileage: 143640km/89253miles
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      Address 01: Engine Labels: 06A-906-032-AWP.lbl
      Part No: 06A 906 032 LP
      Component: 870cc BT/GONZO G v1.1
      Coding: 07500
      Shop #: WSC 33278
      VCID: 77F3E88855D6651
      XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

      9 Faults Found:
      18058 - Powertrain Data Bus
      P1650 - 35-00 - Missing Message from Instrument Cluster
      17956 - Boost Pressure Regulation Valve (N75)
      P1548 - 35-00 - Open Circuit
      17939 - Camshaft Timing Adjustment
      P1531 - 35-00 - Open Circuit
      17695 - Boost Pressure Control Valve (N249)
      P1287 - 35-00 - Open Circuit
      17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
      P1570 - 35-00 -
      17633 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 1 (N30)
      P1225 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
      17635 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 3 (N32)
      P1227 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
      17636 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 4 (N33)
      P1228 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
      17634 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 2 (N31)
      P1226 - 35-00 - Short to Ground
      Readiness: 0100 0000

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8N0-907-379-MK20-E.lbl
      Part No: 8N0 907 379 D
      Component: ESP 20 CAN V006
      Coding: 23049
      Shop #: WSC 01236
      VCID: 3D7F3AA0376A8F1

      2 Faults Found:
      00283 - ABS Wheel Speed Sensor; Front Left (G47)
      35-00 - -
      01423 - Lateral Acceleration Sensor (G200)
      57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8N0-820-043.lbl
      Part No: 8N0 820 043 A
      Component: TT-KLIMAVOLLAUTOMAT D03
      Coding: 00140
      Shop #: WSC 01236
      VCID: 2851FBF4C8E83A9

      1 Fault Found:
      00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
      30-00 - Open or Short to Plus

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8N8-909-601.lbl
      Part No: 8N8 909 601
      Component: Airbag Front+Seite 1008
      Coding: 10102
      Shop #: WSC 01236
      VCID: F7F36888D5D6E51

      5 Faults Found:
      65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
      00-00 - -
      65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
      00-10 - - - Intermittent
      01578 - Airbag Deactivation Warning Lamp; Passenger Side (K145)
      31-10 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
      01217 - Side Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N199)
      32-10 - Resistance too High - Intermittent
      01218 - Side Airbag Igniter; Passenger Side (N200)
      32-10 - Resistance too High - Intermittent

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8Nx-920-xxx-17.lbl
      Part No: 8N1 920 930 E
      Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D10
      Coding: 06244
      Shop #: WSC 25406
      VCID: 336B1C98012E491

      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 8Nx-962-267.lbl
      Part No: 8N8 962 267 A
      Component: Central Lock/Alarm D04
      Coding: 15884
      Shop #: WSC 01236
      VCID: 3F8340A83D669D1

      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
      Part No: 8N8 951 177
      Component: Innenraumueberw. D09
      Coding: 00001
      Shop #: WSC 00000
      VCID: FCF977A4ECF0C69

      No fault code found.

      End ---------------------------------------------------------------------

      -this mornings codes.. It would fire but it would not idle. I cranked a few more times and it wouldnt fire, so i ran the scan and this is what I came up with..

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      06-13-2012 11:33 AM #197
      Ok so I'm a little confused, hoping someone can help me out. If the engine would start but cut out immediately it could be the immobilizer, I get that. But would the immobilizer cause all 4 injector short to ground? I'm looking up the diagram to trace the injector ground to make sure I have a good connection. Hoping for someone to shed a little light

    23. 06-13-2012 11:38 AM #198
      Quote Originally Posted by seth_3515 View Post
      Ok so I'm a little confused, hoping someone can help me out. If the engine would start but cut out immediately it could be the immobilizer, I get that. But would the immobilizer cause all 4 injector short to ground? I'm looking up the diagram to trace the injector ground to make sure I have a good connection. Hoping for someone to shed a little light
      Its possible that you cracked your coilpack harness, or did something similar causing a short circuit.
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      06-13-2012 11:42 AM #199
      The coil pack harness would cause an injector short to ground, glad you told me bacuase i wouldnt have guessed. I will definitely check out the coil pack then as well.

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      06-13-2012 12:40 PM #200
      First start is always going to run rough... Once it warms up, the fuel trims should adapt and it should run properly after that.

      I would check out the short to ground codes, definitely weird.

      The ECU you sent me seemed IMMO defeated when I checked it out on the bench.
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