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      04-16-2012 08:21 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by capclassicv2 View Post
      Not that it makes it right, but I believe when VW was doing all these focus groups on the Passat, people probably responded with the fact that no one pays attention to car alarms. Living in the city, alarms are going off all the time, and no one looks or cars, unless it's their car. VW figured that, no one would notice because the flashing light is still there, and there are immobilizers so no one can steal it. But for me, I rather have the piece of mind of having the alarm, than to pretend to have it.

      With that said, my mother's '04 Kia doesn't have an alarm either, but has the keyfob and panic feature. She's had it since '04 and so far (knock on wood) never needed it.
      FWIW, this is not only a Passat "problem", it is also this way on the 2012 Jetta's, and I'm going to guess it somewhat plagues the rest of the lines out right now...

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      04-16-2012 09:55 PM #37
      Yeah, this is annoying. I think the primary annoyance is the effect of most buyers thinking they have a certain level of "protection" (e.g. glass breakage or vibration detection) that we don't actually have. Glad to see the cost of the unit is so low, but labor is going to be annoying, I suppose.

      If someone could share the install PDF, that would be pretty money, so to speak.
      TIA.

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      04-17-2012 03:01 PM #38
      So the SEL Premium also does not had the alarm installed?
      I think if you open any door, trunk or hook horn will sound and hazard light will flashed, right?
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      04-17-2012 03:31 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by capclassicv2 View Post
      ...my mother's '04 Kia doesn't have an alarm either, but has the keyfob and panic feature. She's had it since '04 and so far (knock on wood) never needed it.
      Not many criminals I know would bother breaking into a KIA!
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      04-17-2012 05:05 PM #40
      Nah... all 2012 Passat do not come with alarm installed. If someone break in any door or trunk, all you'll hear is nothing, unless if you install "Alarm Basic Kit" from VW. Engine immobilizer works though.
      I almost went to VW and asked them to install that Alarm Basic Kit. But after getting the quote, I told to my self, f*** that! Either I don't do anything, or I go to some other place to install better alarm system.

      Quote Originally Posted by Kchorro View Post
      So the SEL Premium also does not had the alarm installed?
      I think if you open any door, trunk or hook horn will sound and hazard light will flashed, right?

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      04-17-2012 07:11 PM #41
      Really, how much did they quote you for it? I was able to get mine for just $75.00 and then I had my friend install it for me. I think it was a fair price... but you may have gotten a different price quote.

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      04-17-2012 08:42 PM #42
      Well, part is about the same, but labor is expensive!!

      Quote Originally Posted by Kyosho View Post
      Really, how much did they quote you for it? I was able to get mine for just $75.00 and then I had my friend install it for me. I think it was a fair price... but you may have gotten a different price quote.

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      05-17-2012 09:49 AM #43
      Bud,

      could you send me the install PDF also? Thanks!

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      05-17-2012 10:25 AM #44
      Bud, send it to me too.
      You might have my email from the last transaction a few months ago we did thu PayPal.
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      05-17-2012 10:57 AM #45
      I wondered why it seemed like I could not get the alarm to go off...

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      05-17-2012 11:16 AM #46
      Here is the information I have and what I have figured out thus far trying to install the alarm retrofit. The switch is easy enough to install, but where the heck does the horn mount to? The cheesy sheet I have(pictures #2-3) doesn't give me a great image and says "in the middle of the vehicle's plenum chamber". I have attached what minimal instructions I have. Can someone take a look at section 1.2 and possibly help me figure out where to mount the damn horn??? If anyone is VW savvy a picture of the plenum and where to connect the horn wiring would be great!


      Picture #1 showing where contact switch harness connects. (red arrow)


      Picture #2


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      Last edited by DK2392; 05-17-2012 at 11:29 AM.

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      05-17-2012 11:35 AM #47
      That's up in the wiper cowling area, under the black plastic rain tray.

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      05-17-2012 11:53 AM #48
      FYI: The VW instructions I posted in post #46 are the same ones that Bud has.

      Thanks compu_85!

      Finally got alarm horn and wiring installed. You need to remove wipers, take of rain tray. Underneath is where the horn gets installed. I have attached some photos to make it easier for anyone else doing this upgrade to their 2012 Passat as the VW supplied instructions aren't very detailed & their images are not from a 2012 Passat!!


      BEFORE - Red arrow is where you mount the alarm horn, yellow arrow is where the wiring harness gets plugged in.



      AFTER - Red arrow is where you mount the alarm horn, yellow arrow is where the wiring harness gets plugged in.
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      05-17-2012 02:04 PM #49
      I asked Gieco why my insurance went up for my new passat when compared to my old passat, they were all, your new car does not have an alarm. You save a little somewhere, you pay for it somewhere else.
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      05-17-2012 02:22 PM #50
      What is the part number on the horn and the wiring harness?
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      05-17-2012 02:23 PM #51
      Or if you REALLY wanted to be cool, what's the part number on the connector that goes into the car harness?

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      05-17-2012 03:07 PM #52
      Thanks a lot for trailblazing this! I looked at the PDF and was intimidated, but your information helps a lot. I may actually take this one on without taking it in.

      Could we trouble you for a more step oriented write through once you're done, though? A whole bunch of steps are still pretty abstract, and a dedicated DIY thread would certainly be epic and helpful.

      Last but not least, please document the VAG-COM steps you use to enable the alarm. The PDF understandably gives instructions that don't map 1:1 with what we know via the VAG-COM.

      also FYI for anyone following, the price of the alarm unit has practically doubled. Congrats if you got in on the $75 deal, your lower insurance premium will pay for it within a couple of renewals.

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      05-17-2012 03:20 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by compu_85 View Post
      Or if you REALLY wanted to be cool, what's the part number on the connector that goes into the car harness?
      Look at Picture #2 is post #46.... Shows the full name and VW part number for the kit.



      Quote Originally Posted by writeb View Post
      Thanks a lot for trailblazing this! I looked at the PDF and was intimidated, but your information helps a lot. I may actually take this one on without taking it in.

      Could we trouble you for a more step oriented write through once you're done, though? A whole bunch of steps are still pretty abstract, and a dedicated DIY thread would certainly be epic and helpful.

      Last but not least, please document the VAG-COM steps you use to enable the alarm. The PDF understandably gives instructions that don't map 1:1 with what we know via the VAG-COM.

      also FYI for anyone following, the price of the alarm unit has practically doubled. Congrats if you got in on the $75 deal, your lower insurance premium will pay for it within a couple of renewals.
      My HEX-CAN cable hasn't shown up yet from Ross-Tech, so I have an alarm installed but not activated quite yet. Hopefully I can A) find out wtf to plug in this magic cable and, B)figure out how to enable the alarm retrofit kit via VCDS. If you have any trouble installing the kit just ask me and I'll be happy to help you if you have any trouble, it's actually very easy once you know where to assemble/disassemble things!

      I have all my parts for fog lights minus the damn harness that VW seems to have botched recently, so I am awaiting that part to install my fogs. I also have Homelink installed, that took all of 5 minutes!

      I am new to VW, so I am by no means an expert with VW quite yet. I am looking forward to changing quite a few things via VCDS once that cable shows up! VW reminds me of my Android hacking, so I am looking forward to enjoying my new ride.
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      05-17-2012 03:24 PM #54
      The kit contains many parts... The harness 561 971 659 ($15), the hood switch 5C6 953 236 A (which from what I've seen SEL premium owners do not need) ($50), and the horn (which I don't know the part number for).

      I called my dealer and they wanted $280 for the kit. Impex wants $150. That must be a damn expensive horn if it costs $100!

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      05-17-2012 03:27 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by compu_85 View Post
      The kit contains many parts... The harness 561 971 659 ($15), the hood switch 5C6 953 236 A (which from what I've seen SEL premium owners do not need) ($50), and the horn (which I don't know the part number for).

      I called my dealer and they wanted $280 for the kit. Impex wants $150. That must be a damn expensive horn if it costs $100!

      -J
      I got the kit for $104 last week from a VW dealer in Tampa. More than $75, but not as bad as $150! Regardless, OEM VW parts are damn expensive!

      But even more ridiculous is the pictures included with the kit don't F$#%#NG match a 2012 Passat!! WTF?? This is one area that the Jap cars like Honda have clearly got the pants beat off of VW.
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      05-17-2012 03:33 PM #56
      I just found if for $120 from Keffer VW and Dean McCrary VW online.

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      05-17-2012 06:04 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by DK2392 View Post
      I just found if for $120 from Keffer VW and Dean McCrary VW online.
      Nice. Shipping?

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      05-17-2012 06:28 PM #58
      Ok, I figured out the part number for the horn, I think it's 5C0951115. $100 at Impex. Guess it is a $100 horn

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      05-17-2012 07:09 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by writeb View Post
      Nice. Shipping?
      Go to their site and put in your address to figure that out. I'm still trying to figure out how to enable this s%$t in VCDS.

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      05-17-2012 07:25 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by DK2392 View Post
      Go to their site and put in your address to figure that out. I'm still trying to figure out how to enable this s%$t in VCDS.
      I get that, it was more or less to emphasize that what you paid for shipping would likely make it double $75. (Or more assuming one doesn't screw up and get gouged for the horn module).

      Although, telling someone to search (let alone find, - have you googled "Dean McCrary VW" lately?) the site once you've found it, and then know what to find on the site itself, is not trivial without a direct link anyway. Anyway, carry on. PM me if that cable is taking too long. I may have a spare USB one floating around here somewhere...

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      05-17-2012 07:58 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by writeb View Post
      I get that, it was more or less to emphasize that what you paid for shipping would likely make it double $75. (Or more assuming one doesn't screw up and get gouged for the horn module).

      Although, telling someone to search (let alone find, - have you googled "Dean McCrary VW" lately?) the site once you've found it, and then know what to find on the site itself, is not trivial without a direct link anyway. Anyway, carry on. PM me if that cable is taking too long. I may have a spare USB one floating around here somewhere...
      I didn't pay $75 or shipping, as I mentioned I picked it up at a local dealer.

      HERE is a direct link.

      Got my VagCOM cable hex-can. I saw various things in the cent elec about anti-theft and alarm, but not sure what options are needed for this OEM kit.

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      05-19-2012 09:01 PM #62
      This is going to rain on the parts department parade a bit... but I just found you can turn on the alarm with VCDS... with no hardware changes.



      Byte 6, Bit 5. "Anti Theft-System installed / Active". Checking that bit seemed to turn on the alarm system we're all used to: opening a door from the inside while the alarm is armed starts the horn flashing and the blinkers blinking. It used the main horns, so it's nice and loud.

      I don't be installing the meeper alarm horn now

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      05-19-2012 09:04 PM #63
      Oh, I'm guessing after you install the meeper you need to uncheck Bit3.

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      05-20-2012 02:08 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by compu_85 View Post
      This is going to rain on the parts department parade a bit... but I just found you can turn on the alarm with VCDS... with no hardware changes.
      No you're not raining at all. My disappointment is simmering because it's appears to be something that is just a few bit flips in the car computer. Why in the world is the extra unit even necessary? It doesn't seem to offer glass breakage or vibration detection, (right?), so I'm baffled at what exactly is going on here.

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      05-20-2012 07:15 AM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by compu_85 View Post
      This is going to rain on the parts department parade a bit... but I just found you can turn on the alarm with VCDS... with no hardware changes.



      Byte 6, Bit 5. "Anti Theft-System installed / Active". Checking that bit seemed to turn on the alarm system we're all used to: opening a door from the inside while the alarm is armed starts the horn flashing and the blinkers blinking. It used the main horns, so it's nice and loud.

      I don't be installing the meeper alarm horn now

      -J
      Thanks!

      Quote Originally Posted by compu_85 View Post
      Oh, I'm guessing after you install the meeper you need to uncheck Bit3.

      -J
      I'll test it out as I have the 'meeper' horn as you call it.

      Quote Originally Posted by writeb View Post
      No you're not raining at all. My disappointment is simmering because it's appears to be something that is just a few bit flips in the car computer. Why in the world is the extra unit even necessary? It doesn't seem to offer glass breakage or vibration detection, (right?), so I'm baffled at what exactly is going on here.
      The VW retrofit kit adds a horn and hood switch.

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      05-20-2012 08:48 AM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by DK2392 View Post



      The VW retrofit kit adds a horn and hood switch.
      The horn is the most expensive part of the kit too @ $100. I'll probably add the hood switch to my car, it's just $40.

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      05-20-2012 01:24 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by compu_85 View Post
      The horn is the most expensive part of the kit too @ $100. I'll probably add the hood switch to my car, it's just $40.

      -J
      The hood switch is really simple to install too.

    33. 05-20-2012 11:36 PM #68
      Can you install the hood switch without the addon alarm component?
      If so, do you have any pics?

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      05-21-2012 04:19 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by joedm View Post
      Can you install the hood switch without the addon alarm component?
      Yes. From what I have seen SEL Premium cars already have it. It plugs into the unused 2 pin plug by the driver's side headlights, and will let you know in the MFA when the hood is open.

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      05-21-2012 04:32 AM #70
      Plug for the hood switch:



      If you have wires there you have a hood switch already.

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