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    Thread: No S4 Avant, no A4 Avant, now no A3 Sportback?!?! WTF Audi?

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      06-24-2012 11:47 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by LWNY View Post
      Not to the regulators. Different distance between pillars, sill length, all sorts of factors will cause it to have different passenger cell strength for front/side crash or rollover tests. You can't explain that to the regulators, nor can you try to hand them an envelope of cash because there are independent testing out there.

      If you think that is the case, then all VW has to do is test one MQB platformed car and pretty much import every VW transverse engined auto into the US with no further testing or redesign.

      Porsche could have said that their 959 looks similar to their 911 so it should have passed regulation?
      Quoted for truth. It would be wonderful if the EU and US could put together a similar set of standards to reduce the costs involved.

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      06-24-2012 12:58 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by LWNY View Post

      Porsche could have said that their 959 looks similar to their 911 so it should have passed regulation?
      Chalk vs cheese comparison.

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      06-24-2012 04:15 PM #53
      it's an interesting approach to marketing. while bmw attempts to create a car for every little niche, (x1,x3,x5,x6, 6 series 4 door coupe with a 4 series 4 door coupe and 2 series 4 door coupe on the way) audi seems to be doing the exact opposite by simplifying their lineup going after what they perceive as the NA mass appeal probably hoping that people wanting an a3 sportback will go for the a3 sedan. it's unfortunate because they are simply alienating a lot of enthusiasts who only want avants or hatches and in my case, only want manual transmissions. i have a manual a4 avant and am really annoyed the a4 avant has gone auto only. this means i'm buying a 3 series wagon next year. sorry audi.

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      06-28-2012 12:05 AM #54
      I find the whole thing to be really odd. I know they are introducing the Q3 To go with the Q5 and Q7 and all of these are nice and all, but to only offer an allroad as the only avant offering for NA is just

      I guess I'll be hanging on to my B7 for like forever.....
      And anyone out there with a B7 A4 or S4 Avant with a manual trans, your cars are going to be the last of the breed? going extinct ?
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      06-28-2012 08:20 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by kevlartoronto View Post
      it's an interesting approach to marketing. while bmw attempts to create a car for every little niche, (x1,x3,x5,x6, 6 series 4 door coupe with a 4 series 4 door coupe and 2 series 4 door coupe on the way) audi seems to be doing the exact opposite by simplifying their lineup going after what they perceive as the NA mass appeal probably hoping that people wanting an a3 sportback will go for the a3 sedan. it's unfortunate because they are simply alienating a lot of enthusiasts who only want avants or hatches and in my case, only want manual transmissions. i have a manual a4 avant and am really annoyed the a4 avant has gone auto only. this means i'm buying a 3 series wagon next year. sorry audi.
      I think the BMW 1 series 5 door would compete with the current A3 and they don't bring it here (or a 4 door). Seems like they have their limits also, maybe in the future things will change. When I price out a 3 series wagon, with destination it is $38,395 without changing anything including the color.

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      06-28-2012 04:53 PM #56
      the 1 series will soon be transformed as well. rumour has it they will be producing a 1 or 2 series sedan within a couple years. i'm a little baffled as to why bmw hasn't tried to bring the 5 door hatch given they are bringing/producing everything else under the sun. as for audi, they definitely needs to fill in their lineup, esp for the a4 and a6. ie, more engine options (including diesels), manual transmissions for all engine options and how about an a5 sportback? a4 avant not just an allroad. i'd love to see audi produce a mini version of the a7. (a3 hatch?)
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      07-13-2012 09:38 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by tincanman99 View Post
      I am NOT interested in an A3 sedan. As it was when I bought my A3 in 2007 the sales guy pushed me to the A4. What part of I dont want a sedan do they not understand.

      My A3 is loaded and easily cost as much as an A4 but the driving experience is very different. Its a smaller car and drives like a smaller car. The A4 has become a quite large car now, its hardly a compact sedan.

      Frankly I dont see the A3 sedan selling huge numbers for the simple fact that if the price is almost the same as the A4 and the A3 is smaller than the A4 who will want it? Its the same issue with the BMW 1 series.

      That being said if there is no A3 hatch I will just buy a GTI or a Mini. I have 0 interest in Audi's sedans.

      If Audi wants to alienate the enthusiast segment in exchange for the broader market to make more $$ than go for it. Just remember the enthusiast market is what kept your brand alive when you were in the hole. To the general public, Audi is another Lexus.
      You may want to reconsider your rant...I tried an A3 before buying an A4 B8 and felt that the new drivetrain and chassis more than made up for the size change. The A3 drove like a ten year old design. The 2011 A4 (daily driver) does a lot of things quite well. Of course, I would prefer wagon, but the 6MT my A4 sedan works well and with decent suspension mods it works well enough.
      I came from 2 Minis, 3 GTIs and a 135i. An S4 Avant would be great but, as a realist, I know that that they will never import niche vehicles.
      Just look at the sales of the dumbed down Jetta and Passat in this country. That sealed the fate of the new A3/S3.
      Unfortunate, but true.

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      07-13-2012 10:02 AM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Woj View Post
      You may want to reconsider your rant...I tried an A3 before buying an A4 B8 and felt that the new drivetrain and chassis more than made up for the size change. The A3 drove like a ten year old design. The 2011 A4 (daily driver) does a lot of things quite well. Of course, I would prefer wagon, but the 6MT my A4 sedan works well and with decent suspension mods it works well enough.
      I came from 2 Minis, 3 GTIs and a 135i. An S4 Avant would be great but, as a realist, I know that that they will never import niche vehicles.
      Just look at the sales of the dumbed down Jetta and Passat in this country. That sealed the fate of the new A3/S3.
      Unfortunate, but true.
      I have to agree with this: I had a 2012 A4 S-Line loaner for a few days a few months ago and sure, the car is larger, but the new drivetrain, suspension and overall dynamics of the car made my '06 A3 Sport feel like junk in comparison.

      I REALLY hope that the chassis dynamics are significantly improved on the MQB A3 to bring them up to par (or close to) the current A4. My biggest problem with the A3 is that it struggles mightily with road imperfections and has very poor damping. The A4 really soaked up the road nicely and while it felt larger, it never felt ponderous nor loafed around poorly.

    9. 07-13-2012 08:27 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by kevlartoronto View Post
      the 1 series will soon be transformed as well.
      there is hope. I read they are coming out with several more sport variants of the 135 one of which will be x drive, 330 hp and awd sign me up cuz you know that's not coming here from audi

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      07-14-2012 04:30 AM #60
      Where are the moderators? Someone like George or Jamie I would think knows something of this topic by now...what's the scoop boys? What is the US market plan for the A3? I would imagine we are right around the corner from release?
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      07-14-2012 08:45 AM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by djdub View Post
      Where are the moderators? Someone like George or Jamie I would think knows something of this topic by now...what's the scoop boys? What is the US market plan for the A3? I would imagine we are right around the corner from release?
      Word has been very difficult to come by. Based on the bits and pieces out there, expect an autoshow reveal this autumn/early winter and US sales to start about 10-12 months from now.

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      07-14-2012 04:25 PM #62
      Evrything I've read in all the car mags say we are getting the sedan in various power outputs. The A3 hatch is going to be an electric or some form of hybrid only. SO all those that want a hatchback had better start looking elsewhere. Maybe the new Merc A class?

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