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    Thread: Triathlon Thread (Sprint, Half, Olympic, etc)

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      02-09-2012 01:53 PM #26
      You don't need to be doing bricks right now and doing them on an exercise bike to a treadmill will just defeat the purpose since the point is to get used to doing exactly what you would do before the event.

      Just swim bike or run for now don't worry about doing them back to back. Even then you only need to do a handful before the actual event, most people don't do any.

      If you go for a good bike ride just get home and run a mile or two, you really just need to get used to that change in what your muscles are doing.

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      02-09-2012 02:15 PM #27
      I may have just found my pool. Did a little digging around on the local University site and found that I can join their gym as long as I know someone who goes there, and I do, so I'm in like Flynn.

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      02-09-2012 02:42 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by robhurlburt View Post
      I say skip the indoor bricks, its warm enough this winter to work out outside. I've been marathon training outdoors all winter, just dress right. It doesn't take much money to get a decent pair of pants/jacket/gloves.

      a sprint brick (bike/run) shouldn't take much more than 1.5hrs outside, after 15mins you'll be warm anyways. Its not like you're out there all day

      IMO a stationary bike and treadmill don't come close to actually riding and running in an ever changing terrain
      Quote Originally Posted by synthsis View Post
      I do agree that it won't be the same, but the problem is, by the time I get done work, the sun is already down/setting and the bitterness has been cranked up, so until maybe Mid-March, indoors is where I'll be. I'm going to keep an eye over on Bonk for some of that compression gear they run all the time.
      I can't help you for running....

      but mounting your bike on a trainer... even with the resistance on the low side, it is harder than riding on the road, as you really can't coast. Each mile you do, will be harder than the typical south jersey roads. You can set the resistance up high to really punish you.

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      02-09-2012 03:54 PM #29
      I have almost that exact same trainer, except mine is a Wind Trainer, not a mag trainer. and man, riding on it SUCKS, but in a good way.

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      02-20-2012 12:59 PM #30
      well, I finally got in the pool today and holy sh1t, I thought swimming was going to be the east leg of the Tri. I am NOT prepared to do this. The pool is a half-Olympic (I think) and I was able to do about 10 full laps with breaks in between each out and back. After the last one I wasn't feeling so hot so I hopped out and sat on the side for a minute before I knew something was really wrong. I made it back down to the locker room before I dry heaved into the turlit.

      I realized how much swimming is an anaerobic activity where you are holding your breathe for the majority of the activity. I must have looked ridiculous out there flailing about doing freestyle while real swimmers where in the lanes flanking me.

    6. 02-20-2012 02:17 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by synthsis View Post
      I am NOT prepared to do this.
      you have close to 4 months to prepare, you'll be fine. it took me about a month before i could actually swim the 800m with breaks, and 1.5 months to do it without stopping. I think i made it 200m the first time out, felt like i was going to drown though

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      02-20-2012 03:28 PM #32
      swimming is tough just take it slow. By slow I mean both your stroke rate and time per lap as well as how many laps you do, ease into it. There is darn good reason there is a life guard at a pool and not next to the treadmill at the gym

      Just breath a lot, do NOT worry about a rhythm right now and trying to go 5, 10 whatever strokes without breathing. Do not worry right now about alternating sides to breath, although try to make sure your stroke stays balanced don't form bad habits just be safe. Pick whatever side you are comfortable breathing on breath EVERY stroke, do not even think about trying to go several strokes before breathing while you are adapting.

      olympic pool is going to be 50m long and 25m wide if it has 10 lanes (which by defintion it has now apparently but maybe 8 if older) then it would be twice as long as it is wide. If it has 4-6 lanes or 8 and is basically square or at least clearly not twice as long then it is most likely just 25m. A lot of Ys and summer clubs have 25 yard pools which will be a hair shorter. (25m=27.5yds).

      25m/yard pool will obviously be better for getting going since less distance between walls means you can rest more easily. 50m would be better in the long run for tri training since its less turning, so less rest which is more realistic.

      Some olympic pools have a 25m setup going across the width at one end that they will use at times, say for like a HS level event. If the pool you are using has black lines going in two directions at one end then you may be able to ask if they set that up at all and try to get your swims in when it is setup to start with (assuming it is olympic).

      you'll get there just be safe.

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      02-20-2012 03:31 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by synthsis View Post
      well, I finally got in the pool today and holy sh1t, I thought swimming was going to be the east leg of the Tri. I am NOT prepared to do this. The pool is a half-Olympic (I think) and I was able to do about 10 full laps with breaks in between each out and back. After the last one I wasn't feeling so hot so I hopped out and sat on the side for a minute before I knew something was really wrong. I made it back down to the locker room before I dry heaved into the turlit.

      I realized how much swimming is an anaerobic activity where you are holding your breathe for the majority of the activity. I must have looked ridiculous out there flailing about doing freestyle while real swimmers where in the lanes flanking me.
      Thats why I said what I did in post #3.

      Start slow and easy.
      Mix laps up with freestyle and breath stroke.
      Slowly ramp up your laps.

      You'll be fine, you have sufficient time.

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      02-20-2012 03:36 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by robhurlburt View Post
      you have close to 4 months to prepare, you'll be fine.
      This, just keep going. Swimming is very tough at first but gets easier as time goes on. As far as breathing, it's mostly mind over matter. Try to relax yourself and exhale somewhat linearly. Make sure you exhale completely before you tilt your head to breathe, no mist when your mouth is above the water line. Keep you opposite ear in the water and look back toward your exposed/dry ear to maximize your intake breath time. Try to breathe every 3 strokes if you can already breathe from both sides. In a couple of months, start doing excersizes where you swim a bit slower but breathe every 5 strokes. This will improve your lung capacity and help with recovery.

      Also, make sure you do a couple of bike rides immediately after swimming. In the water, your body is most efficient for transferring heat. It takes my body about 10-15minutes to adjust to naturally cooling with the ambient air. When I go from the pool to the elliptical trainer I dump and insane amout of sweat in the first 5 minutes.

      Make sure you do a decent cool down (slow 150-200 yards) to prevent shoulder injuries.

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      02-20-2012 03:49 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by FlashRedGLS1.8T View Post
      Thats why I said what I did in post #3.

      Start slow and easy.
      Mix laps up with freestyle and breath stroke.
      Slowly ramp up your laps.

      You'll be fine, you have sufficient time.

      My knees hate breast stroke so it always slips my mind, but yes as you mentioned before it is a great stroke to work in when starting off. Every stroke "requires" a breath so it is a good one to just get used to having a nice rhythm and working on exhaling. ?You can just take a nice long deliberate stroke to work on going longer while still being in an easy and comfortable position to pop your head up if need be. It is also a good one to be used to for siting in open water, which I believe you also mentioned.

      When doing freestyle since it sounds like exertion was an issue as much as getting air, remember that long efficient strokes are better then tons of short fast ones. Bad habits are hard to break in swimming since you can't see what you are doing if you are taking tons and tons of strokes per lap try and slow down your stroke and go longer. You may go slower at first but you'll get better form and use less energy as well as keep your heart rate in check.

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      02-20-2012 04:30 PM #36
      you guys are so damn encouraging it makes me want to puke.

      now that I think of it, the pool may be a full Olympic, I'll have to see if I can find it online somewhere, it's at Rowan Univ if anyone knows of it here in South Jersey.
      edit: Olympic sized

      As far as my stroke goes, I do like freestyle better, and I completely get the long, lower stroke count. They have those little floaty kickboards you can use, I might give that a try so I can work on my leg form first, get my thrashing and splashing to a minimum.
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      02-20-2012 04:44 PM #37
      I see you looked it up already but yes most universities pools will be olympic since they don' have 6 year olds needing to go 25m in competition

      I'd work on your kick but it should not be a focus, you need your legs to bike and run not your arms so you really want to concentrate on keeping your kick to a minimum, just enough to keep you afloat and going straight. Just like the stroke should be long and deliberate so should your kick, don't kick from the knees only. IF you want to use a kick board get some fins to use, not only will you skoot across the water super fast which is fun but they sort of force you to have good form, if you try to kick from the knees with fins in on they don't do much, use your whole legs and you'll really feel the difference with the fins as to what is right and wrong.

      Really longterm you should look into using a pull buoy so you can focus on your stroke and being efficient without kicking at all, right now though its honestly probably dangerous and would not suggest it.


      For now just slowly get laps in, getting the distance covered while not sucking up all your energy should be your goal, you will get efficient automatically for that to work.

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      02-20-2012 04:56 PM #38
      I think one of the reasons I puked after swimming today was an extremely poor breakfast. I honestly hadn't thought about it when I was eating but I had a couple slices of locally baked Cinnamon Raisin bread and an espresso. Sure it had the carbs I needed, but it wasn't "right". I need to decide how often I should swim and how often I should be running.

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      02-21-2012 07:10 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by synthsis View Post
      I think one of the reasons I puked after swimming today was an extremely poor breakfast. I honestly hadn't thought about it when I was eating but I had a couple slices of locally baked Cinnamon Raisin bread and an espresso. Sure it had the carbs I needed, but it wasn't "right". I need to decide how often I should swim and how often I should be running.
      I always run the most. It's just something I enjoy more than the other two. Then biking then swimming.

      I never, ever seem to get enough swimming in. I can run on the road in front of my house and I can bike there too...or in my basement, but I can only swim at a few places.

      I eat a bagel and some water if I'm doing an early morning workout. I'll save the coffee/expresso for afterwards.

      I just want to add that you shouldn't be stressing. You have plenty of time to do what you need to comfortably finish a sprint. Just map out your work outs for the next 3 months. This really helps.

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      02-21-2012 07:12 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by chris@revotechnik View Post
      My knees hate breast stroke so it always slips my mind, but yes as you mentioned before it is a great stroke to work in when starting off.
      It's an easy stroke for me to do recovery when getting swims in and it doesn't bother my legs like it does yours.

      Every stroke "requires" a breath so it is a good one to just get used to having a nice rhythm and working on exhaling. ?You can just take a nice long deliberate stroke to work on going longer while still being in an easy and comfortable position to pop your head up if need be. It is also a good one to be used to for siting in open water, which I believe you also mentioned.

      When doing freestyle since it sounds like exertion was an issue as much as getting air, remember that long efficient strokes are better then tons of short fast ones. Bad habits are hard to break in swimming since you can't see what you are doing if you are taking tons and tons of strokes per lap try and slow down your stroke and go longer. You may go slower at first but you'll get better form and use less energy as well as keep your heart rate in check.

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      02-21-2012 08:55 PM #41
      Did another treadmill 5K today. warmed up, blasted out a fast mile hitting the 7 minute mark, walked for a minute or so, then cranked the treadmill back up to finish out at 28 minutes. Might not be super impressive to real runners, but it's a personal best for me. I walked for another 1/4, then did some regular walking around the indoor track. My lower calves are killing me again and I stretched them real good. Can't wait for my Calf Compression Sleeves to get here.

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      02-23-2012 10:44 PM #42
      Swimming again today. felt MUCH better. I'm still only doing 100m at a time but I don't feel like I'm going to die now. I have gotten the swing of using more arms to move me through the water, based on the advice to save my legs for the bike/run portions.

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      02-23-2012 11:59 PM #43
      I've pretty much just been running and lifting lately. I am considering getting geared up for a collegiate nationals race, but my 55,000+ students school no longer has a tri team

      I dunno, I am kinda burned out from competing. I did an Ironman this Sept and finished 14:5X:xx I wanna say 14:54ish, but anyway I just couldn't get motivated to train since leaving the service. I guess I had a decent time for really putting in no training volume of any significance, but paying $700 plus hotel, etc. that kinda makes me sick to drop $1500+ in a season to not really give two ****s about training.

      I have been lifting pretty consistently, and since doing University Course-work I do not like training for the amount of volume needed to do well in a Ironman.

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      02-27-2012 08:10 PM #44
      Swam again today, getting better each time. Got a weird outside calf cramp so I had to stop after a half hour. Going to run tomorrow, then back to the pool on Wednesday.

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      03-09-2012 07:55 PM #45
      Haven't really updated the thread recently. Ran 2 5Ks this week, one on the treadmill, and finally got a couple miles in outside. Felt good to be outside again, even if the wind was brutal. Went swimming tonight for about a half hour, still have a long way to go with that.

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      03-23-2012 10:25 AM #46
      This thread is dead, and it saddens me.

      Anyone signing up for any races so far this year? I'm considering the HIM in Racine, Wisconsin in July, just debating if I'll actually have the time to train.


      The break in the weather is nice up here though and am enjoying getting the miles in on the bike .
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    22. 03-23-2012 11:43 AM #47
      I'm doing this one on May 6:
      http://ultramaxtri.com/trizou/

      It's really short so I'm not doing any special training for it.

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      03-23-2012 01:00 PM #48
      I've been idly thinking about entering a triathlon this year, but I'm such a poor swimmer and runner (speed wise) that I'm not sure my ego can take finishing in the bottom 25%.

    24. 03-23-2012 05:22 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by brickfrenzy View Post
      I've been idly thinking about entering a triathlon this year, but I'm such a poor swimmer and runner (speed wise) that I'm not sure my ego can take finishing in the bottom 25%.
      Who cares? You finish higher than 100% of the people that didn't race that day.

      I'm a super competitive person in a lot of other team sports I play, however for tri's my only goal is to set a personal best and finish every race. The fact is I don't have the time nor the willpower to train enough to be in the upper percentiles of finishers in my age group. I just do it to have fun.

    25. 03-23-2012 06:36 PM #50
      Exactly! Finishing in the bottom 25% is better than not going out at all. Go for it and have fun. It's a great way to improve your fitness for pretty much anything. Also a good way to get out and meet people if you join a training/social club.

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