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      02-12-2012 01:46 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Kiddie Rose View Post
      id still definitely add another down the road. i hated the sound of my compressor
      the 444 is 100% duty cycle tho, so it doesnt really need time to cool down between use. if you got a compressor with a 33% duty cycle or something like that id be worried about only having 1
      yea im still learning about all this lol but, yea i think ill start with just the one to see how it goes thanks sir.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ericshell View Post
      Nice! what management are you planning on going with? (sorry im too lazy to look up and read haha) Definitely 2 compressors are the way to go. It's so much more convenient and so much less of a hassle. Definitely worth the extra few bucks.
      just good ol' basic manual management with paddle valaves. nothin to fancy
      Quote Originally Posted by Kiddie Rose View Post
      id still definitely add another down the road. i hated the sound of my compressor
      the 444 is 100% duty cycle tho, so it doesnt really need time to cool down between use. if you got a compressor with a 33% duty cycle or something like that id be worried about only having 1
      yea, im probably going to go with either 2 400c's or 2 380c's. the price for them are practically the same.

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      02-12-2012 06:55 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post
      yea, im probably going to go with either 2 400c's or 2 380c's. the price for them are practically the same.
      May i suggest 1 ob2 instead of a dual 400 or dual 380 setup?

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      02-12-2012 09:13 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post
      just good ol' basic manual management with paddle valaves. nothin to fancy


      yea, im probably going to go with either 2 400c's or 2 380c's. the price for them are practically the same.
      between 380's or 400's i would go with the 380's because of the duty cycle, 380's dont need cool down time. But like MechEng said about the ob2, i kinda wish i would have know better and got one.
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      02-12-2012 09:29 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by eastcoaststeeze View Post
      hey sir
      Quote Originally Posted by MechEngg View Post
      May i suggest 1 ob2 instead of a dual 400 or dual 380 setup?
      one of those is more expensive then 2 of the other ones, either the 380s or 400s, and the the backup of the second will be alright.
      Quote Originally Posted by Twilliams83 View Post
      between 380's or 400's i would go with the 380's because of the duty cycle, 380's dont need cool down time. But like MechEng said about the ob2, i kinda wish i would have know better and got one.
      oh alright. i didnt know that, i just assumed the higher number, meant that it would be better, even though the 380 is 100% duty cycle, and the 400 is 33% duty cycle. Didnt kiddie rose say it would be better to run two of the 33% rather then one of the 100%??

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      02-12-2012 09:39 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by Twilliams83 View Post
      between 380's or 400's i would go with the 380's because of the duty cycle, 380's dont need cool down time. But like MechEng said about the ob2, i kinda wish i would have know better and got one.
      Just so everybody is aware here......

      Dual 380's
      Duty cycle: 100% @ 100psi
      Max pressure rating: 200psi
      CFM @ 100psi: 1.77
      CFM @ 150psi: 1.41
      CFM @ 200psi: 1.02


      Dual 400's
      Duty cycle: 33% @ 100psi
      Max pressure rating: 150psi
      CFM @ 100psi: 2.47
      CFM @ 150psi: 1.48
      CFM @ 200psi: NONE


      Dual 444's
      Duty cycle: 100% @ 100psi
      Max pressure rating: 200psi
      CFM @ 100psi: 2.12
      CFM @ 150psi: 1.62
      CFM @ 200psi: 1.13


      Dual 480's
      Duty cycle: 100% @ 100psi
      Max pressure rating: 200psi
      CFM @ 100psi: 2.08
      CFM @ 150psi: 1.55
      CFM @ 200psi: 1.17


      Single Air Zenith OB2
      Duty cycle: 100% @ 200psi
      Max pressure rating: 200psi
      CFM @ 100psi: 2.47
      CFM @ 150psi: 1.83
      CFM @ 200psi: 1.46


      Don't get deceived into thinking that a 444 has a 100% duty cycle at the pressures you will be running, it is only 100% duty cycle UP TO 100psi, after that it starts to drop off. The only compressor that is 100% duty cycle for our pressures that we are running (145, 175 or 200) is the OB2. Plus it only costs $50 more than a dual pack of anything else and is very similar in amperage draw compared to a dual pack and fills quicker and runs cooler. Zero downsides

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      02-12-2012 09:42 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post
      one of those is more expensive then 2 of the other ones, either the 380s or 400s, and the the backup of the second will be alright.

      oh alright. i didnt know that, i just assumed the higher number, meant that it would be better, even though the 380 is 100% duty cycle, and the 400 is 33% duty cycle. Didnt kiddie rose say it would be better to run two of the 33% rather then one of the 100%??
      I have never even heard of a failure on an ob2, but if it does fail the compressors are fully rebuildable piece by piece for a very reasonable price, compared to just throwing a viair away. Check above for more arguements

      And yes it is your vehicle, your choice completely

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      02-12-2012 10:17 PM #79
      ^ damn this compressor looks amazing !

      I'll prob get that one when my VIAR 444c dies, wonder how much faster it will be, hopefully not louder !
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      02-12-2012 10:17 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post

      oh alright. i didnt know that, i just assumed the higher number, meant that it would be better, even though the 380 is 100% duty cycle, and the 400 is 33% duty cycle. Didnt kiddie rose say it would be better to run two of the 33% rather then one of the 100%??
      noooooooo. 100% duty all the way!
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      02-12-2012 10:23 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by Kiddie Rose View Post
      noooooooo. 100% duty all the way!
      ok cool.i must have mis-understood what you wrote. my bad

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      02-12-2012 10:36 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by kilimats View Post
      ^ damn this compressor looks amazing !

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      it defiantly does, ill have to keep that in mind when im ready to get one hopefully next week. And that, the OB2 , id only have to run one of them, correct. rather then two of the 400c's?

      and.... everything ordered, other then the comps. which obviously im still deciding on.



      and, it would be soo cool if it came o tuesday, that being my birthday

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      02-12-2012 10:40 PM #83
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      yes zeniths are the ****. I already had a vlair die out on me. When I get around to having a real job Ill upgrade to zeniths
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      02-12-2012 10:48 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by ericshell View Post
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      yes zeniths are the ****. I already had a vlair die out on me. When I get around to having a real job Ill upgrade to zeniths
      oh really? thats good to know. Are you running dual comps?

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      02-12-2012 10:53 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post
      oh really? thats good to know. Are you running dual comps?
      Yup you would only have to run 1 of those OB2's and they outperform ALL of the dual viair compressor packs by far and probably be more reliable also with a 2 year warranty

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      02-12-2012 11:00 PM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by MechEngg View Post
      Yup you would only have to run 1 of those OB2's and they outperform ALL of the dual viair compressor packs by far and probably be more reliable also with a 2 year warranty
      that sounds like a plan.

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      02-13-2012 12:02 AM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by MechEngg View Post
      Yup you would only have to run 1 of those OB2's and they outperform ALL of the dual viair compressor packs by far and probably be more reliable also with a 2 year warranty
      I don't understand how 1xOB2 could be faster than 2x444c, the CFM is almost the same

      Dual 444's
      Duty cycle: 100% @ 100psi
      Max pressure rating: 200psi
      CFM @ 100psi: 2.12
      CFM @ 150psi: 1.62
      CFM @ 200psi: 1.13

      Single Air Zenith OB2
      Duty cycle: 100% @ 200psi
      Max pressure rating: 200psi
      CFM @ 100psi: 2.47
      CFM @ 150psi: 1.83
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      Quote Originally Posted by dele
      The guys on coils can pull off their own Airless pride thread cos they clearly are the underdogs in the air/static debate, kinda like the equality movement for women.

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      02-13-2012 12:08 AM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post
      oh really? thats good to know. Are you running dual comps?
      I am running dual 400's right now. that was drastically better than the single on. I can't imagine what dual zeniths would be like.

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      02-13-2012 12:12 AM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by ericshell View Post
      I am running dual 400's right now. that was drastically better than the single on. I can't imagine what dual zeniths would be like.
      I had dual last summer, ill let you know how triple goes


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      02-13-2012 12:13 AM #90
      ^
      i just commented on your thread

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      02-13-2012 12:18 AM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post
      ^
      i just commented on your thread
      same haha! And yes! you should take a video for the fill cycle from empty and low with those!

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      02-14-2012 09:32 PM #94
      i think we will be gettin our setups at the same time lol but, i keep hearin that im goin to need to run dual 444c's im lookin for another already lol
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      02-14-2012 09:34 PM #95
      Quote Originally Posted by Chaoz View Post
      i think we will be gettin our setups at the same time lol but, i keep hearin that im goin to need to run dual 444c's im lookin for another already lol
      you dont "need" it. will it be a quicker fill, yeah but you will live with one.
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      02-14-2012 09:51 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by Twilliams83 View Post
      you dont "need" it. will it be a quicker fill, yeah but you will live with one.
      haha sorry yea thats what i meant. lol
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      02-14-2012 09:51 PM #97
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      haha sorry yea thats what i meant. lol
      if i were you and you i would just get one ob2.
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      02-14-2012 09:55 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by Twilliams83 View Post
      if i were you and you i would just get one ob2.
      one ob2 is better than dual 444c's?
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      02-14-2012 10:05 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by Chaoz View Post
      one ob2 is better than dual 444c's?
      i dont quite understand all the numbers that go into it, but from what i take from mecheng, yes.
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      02-14-2012 10:36 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by Twilliams83 View Post
      i dont quite understand all the numbers that go into it, but from what i take from mecheng, yes.
      ahhh well i wanna see how the 444c holds up for me at first. lol
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      02-14-2012 11:16 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by Chaoz View Post
      ahhh well i wanna see how the 444c holds up for me at first. lol
      viairs arnt complete **** like people are making them out to be. between my buddy and I the 450s i had lasted 2+ years (may still be going...not sure since i sold it)
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      02-15-2012 12:25 AM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by kilimats View Post
      I don't understand how 1xOB2 could be faster than 2x444c, the CFM is almost the same

      Dual 444's
      Duty cycle: 100% @ 100psi
      Max pressure rating: 200psi
      CFM @ 100psi: 2.12
      CFM @ 150psi: 1.62
      CFM @ 200psi: 1.13

      Single Air Zenith OB2
      Duty cycle: 100% @ 200psi
      Max pressure rating: 200psi
      CFM @ 100psi: 2.47
      CFM @ 150psi: 1.83
      CFM @ 200psi: 1.46
      Okay if you look at the numbers, the OB2 keeps a higher CFM rating at a higher psi. What you are looking for isn't necessarily the number, but the total volume under the CFM/psi curve. The area under the curve is far larger for a single OB2 than dual 444's. Check out Martin's link for fill time comparison....
      @100psi the OB2 is 16% higher output
      @150psi the OB2 is 13% higher output
      @200psi the OB2 is 30% higher output

      Quote Originally Posted by Chaoz View Post
      one ob2 is better than dual 444c's?
      For fill time yes. Other than that it is all opinions

      Quote Originally Posted by Kiddie Rose View Post
      viairs arnt complete **** like people are making them out to be. between my buddy and I the 450s i had lasted 2+ years (may still be going...not sure since i sold it)
      Nope they aren't complete crap, just not as good as the AZ's IMO

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      02-15-2012 09:36 AM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by MechEngg View Post



      Nope they aren't complete crap, just not as good as the AZ's IMO
      i definitely agree...just everyone is making it seem like he made a bad purchase!
      i cant even imagine your setup with 3 compressors ha.
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      02-15-2012 10:25 AM #104
      Yeah what's the fill time with three ob2's. Must be sick

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