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      02-09-2012 03:10 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Shoopz View Post
      I have my management completely hooked up. Just need bags. But one of my friends has bagyard rears and another has airlifts. For my buddy to get as low as the bagyards took a bit of shaving
      hmm thats something to think about, but my wheels do poke alittle, so i wont be worried about going super low as long as they hit the tire hah

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      02-09-2012 03:11 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Chaoz View Post
      Shaving of what? Case I wanna get low and ill have the air lift rears
      probably where it mounts im guessing?

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      02-09-2012 03:11 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Chaoz View Post
      Shaving of what? Case I wanna get low and ill have the air lift rears
      When I get out of class I'll ms paint a diagram. Hard to explain but you basically shave the top bracket down.

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      02-09-2012 03:12 PM #39
      But even then the bagyard rears are still lower

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      02-09-2012 03:20 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post
      yea, lol. and that was drawn at like 3am

      Ok, so the plugs that i will use, i would just plan on using teflon tape to seal the threads, like i do in aquariums at work. That defiantly seems easier to, and i wouldnt want the tank/or anything strip out if i keep removing it. That wouldnt be good. Hopefully too, that the WT will repeal out as most m
      oisture that could possibly get in there, but seeing one a week wouldnt be a big deal, as i wash my car like twice a week lol. and so far, i appreciate all your information. Could i pick your brain on running dual compressors. most likely theyd be 400c's . Is it just a waste, or do you think one will be fine, remember ill have a 7gal tank. I probably wont be screwing with it alot, other then when i jsut get it, so i dont think i would use the compressor alot.
      Running 2 compressors is almost always better than 1. Plain and simple.

      Pro's
      Faster fill time
      backup incase 1 compressor fails
      will make your compressors run for less time = less heat produced = lower failure rate

      Con's
      More amperage draw on your charging system (battery & alternator)
      A bit more noise produced
      Fittings on tank can sometimes be hard to do depending on the tank style

      So up to you, mind you I am running 3 x AZ OB2's so my opinion may be slightly biased

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      02-09-2012 03:20 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Shoopz View Post
      But even then the bagyard rears are still lower
      Ohhh ok
      Swagga so nice i should notorize it

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      02-09-2012 03:29 PM #42
      I may actually do two compressors. I'm just not sure if I have to upgrade my wiring.

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      02-09-2012 03:35 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Shoopz View Post
      I may actually do two compressors. I'm just not sure if I have to upgrade my wiring.
      if you would just wire them together, or separate ?

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      02-09-2012 03:37 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Shoopz View Post
      I may actually do two compressors. I'm just not sure if I have to upgrade my wiring.
      Find out the amperage draw from your compressors and multiply this by 12 (for @ voltage rating). This will give you the watt draw of your compressor. Divide this number by 10 (for low voltage shutdown condition of compressors). Multiply by general service factor of 1.15 (generic service factor for compressor start up. This final number will give you the maximum amperage draw of your compressors under worst case circumstances, so you need to design your wiring to this level.

      Use the charts below for for this specific companies power wire. I highly recommend their stuff, great flexibility and amazing amperage ratings. Click on the specifications tab to get the amperage rating for 0, 4 and 8 gauge wires, pick one that works for you.


      OFC Chart
      http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDe...odID=KFX0BL-50

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      02-09-2012 03:48 PM #45
      * i now plan on running dual compressors, probably either the 380c or the 400c. So now this means ill need two watertraps, each up to each compressor. *
      i found a pic of a good idea/set-up


      i want all my 'hardware' hidden though

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      02-09-2012 04:12 PM #46
      Any benefit running two compressor? I will only have a 5 gal tank so that should fill pretty quick right?
      Swagga so nice i should notorize it

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      02-09-2012 04:18 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by Chaoz View Post
      Any benefit running two compressor? I will only have a 5 gal tank so that should fill pretty quick right?
      Mechengg. Thanks for the formula and links.

      But it takes about 10 mins for my 5 gallon to fill using one 400 I'll get more accurate test when I go home later I'll just drain it. It's quite annoying if you go from zero.

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      02-09-2012 04:22 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Shoopz View Post
      Mechengg. Thanks for the formula and links.

      But it takes about 10 mins for my 5 gallon to fill using one 400 I'll get more accurate test when I go home later I'll just drain it. It's quite annoying if you go from zero.
      Yea but do you usually go from 0? I'll be running a 444
      Swagga so nice i should notorize it

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      02-09-2012 04:28 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post
      ** this is what i plan on ordering for people wondering **

      http://bagriders.com/modlab/products...ANAGEMENT.html
      that should serve you fine. you probably will need random fitting depending on how you mount everything.

      Quote Originally Posted by Shoopz View Post
      I would run duals. To fill my 5 gal tank from 0 takes quite a bit. But for the most part your tank shouldn't get that low unless you drain it or you are playing around too much. If I ever get around to it I'm going to upgrade to duals
      I'm running dual 380's so cal stance was doing a deal where i got the second one free.
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaaddictionII View Post
      oh alright. but ill just run a WT jut because i will be going with a steel tank, for only 30.00, better safe then sorry
      i have a steel tank and no trap haha. ill probably add one when i get my v2.


      and when you run dual comps you dont necessarily need two water traps, you can use some fittings to go from the braided line to regular airline and then use a Y Ptc to turn the two lines into one and then into the tank where you water trap would be mounted.
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      02-09-2012 04:30 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Chaoz View Post
      Yea but do you usually go from 0? I'll be running a 444
      You will be fine. You will get used to the noise. If you can afford it though it will be better. My dual 380's take about 2 and a half minutes to fill up from when they kick on.
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      02-09-2012 04:34 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Twilliams83 View Post
      You will be fine. You will get used to the noise. If you can afford it though it will be better. My dual 380's take about 2 and a half minutes to fill up from when they kick on.
      Hmm yea I think I may upgrade in a few months
      Swagga so nice i should notorize it

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      02-09-2012 04:54 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by MechEngg View Post
      Personally I would go for the 3/8" SMC one. Just get the 3/8" and use a reducer coupling to mount it directly off the side of the tank.
      X2

      Exactly what I did without having mounted on the tank

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      02-09-2012 05:11 PM #53
      5:11 compressor turned on from 0. One 400c filling a 5gallon tank to 175psi

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      02-09-2012 05:19 PM #54
      Hit 100 psi at 5:14. Filled by 5:18

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      02-09-2012 05:45 PM #55
      Sorry I don't know why you just didn't grab a stopwatch and time it. Timing it the way you did gives a super high variance of up to almost 2 minutes so its not that accurate.

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      02-09-2012 05:50 PM #56
      Oh I know. Just giving a general idea of how long it takes. Rather listen to music than fiddle with a stop watch on my phone.

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      02-09-2012 11:06 PM #57
      this also seems to be fairly accurate...

      http://www.landisusa.com/calculator.html

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      02-09-2012 11:13 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Shoopz View Post
      5:11 compressor turned on from 0. One 400c filling a 5gallon tank to 175psi
      400c's are only rated for a max pressure of 150 psi. You might want to get a different pressure switch as it'll be putting excess wear on the compressor.

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      02-10-2012 02:05 AM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by Shoopz View Post
      Oh I know. Just giving a general idea of how long it takes. Rather listen to music than fiddle with a stop watch on my phone.
      If you are going to do something at all do it the right way, don't half a$$ it........


      Btw 3 Calgary posts in a row!

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      02-10-2012 03:43 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by dubbin18 View Post
      400c's are only rated for a max pressure of 150 psi. You might want to get a different pressure switch as it'll be putting excess wear on the compressor.
      i ran my 400c no problems to 175 psi all last year

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      02-10-2012 09:09 AM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by MechEngg View Post
      If you are going to do something at all do it the right way, don't half a$$ it........


      Btw 3 Calgary posts in a row!
      Yeah next time I'm in the lab I'll do that.



      And as for running a 400c to 175. Almost everyone I know with air ride does this with no problems

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      02-10-2012 12:22 PM #62
      my tank should be here today, and then once my check goes through, i ordering the rest!!

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      02-10-2012 01:06 PM #63
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      pretty much the moment i typed that the ups guy showed up! what luck. got some pics, im officially pumped. The rest should be ordered on monday like i said above.
      pics.



      dont mind the dirty trunk, before now it didnt matter



      and im going to wait to build the frame and setup until my compressors and WTs come in, now that i decided to do dual compressors, the fitment is going to be real tight it looks like. Might have to bring it forward some, or possibly have it going vertical.

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      02-10-2012 07:58 PM #64
      are you keeping the spare? i kept my spare with dual compas and that was a challenge haha it should get interesting when i switch to v2 and have to put a manifold somewhere in there.
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      02-10-2012 08:34 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by Twilliams83 View Post
      are you keeping the spare? i kept my spare with dual compas and that was a challenge haha it should get interesting when i switch to v2 and have to put a manifold somewhere in there.
      idk, probably not. but we will see what room i have when done!

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      02-10-2012 09:54 PM #66
      Yeah jettas have big spare well's so you chould be able to keep it pretty easy. **steve** has his manifolds and ecu in the spare well behind the spare, but im not sure if the wagons have a bigger spare well.
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      02-11-2012 08:34 PM #67
      whoa whoa whoa dean i didn't know you were bagging the jetta!! good luck man, ill be watching

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      02-12-2012 12:30 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by ericshell View Post
      whoa whoa whoa dean i didn't know you were bagging the jetta!! good luck man, ill be watching
      eric. i have to, rs' and bags go together like pb and jelly

      and am ordering everything else tomorrow, pretty much.
      -bags
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      -other fittings and drains

      and then ill order the comps. next week, sense i decided to go duals

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      02-12-2012 01:23 PM #69
      Nice! what management are you planning on going with? (sorry im too lazy to look up and read haha) Definitely 2 compressors are the way to go. It's so much more convenient and so much less of a hassle. Definitely worth the extra few bucks.

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      02-12-2012 01:34 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by Chaoz View Post
      Yea but do you usually go from 0? I'll be running a 444
      id still definitely add another down the road. i hated the sound of my compressor
      the 444 is 100% duty cycle tho, so it doesnt really need time to cool down between use. if you got a compressor with a 33% duty cycle or something like that id be worried about only having 1
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