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Where do all the "gas is running out" comments come from? Cassandra is that you?
What about the collective Car Lounge posting on priuscentral.net and leafboard.com (I totally made these up) about high speed driving, V8 engines and track days?
Anyway, even if gas gets more rare in the relevant time frame - which itself is debatable due to regenerative fuels and new possibilities to explore and exploit oil ressources - I doubt it will have much of an effect on collector cars and/or their pricing. BTW this thread is only about such cars, as no daily driver will ever appreciate if it has no special thing going for it.
The comment about boats above was spot on, hardly anybody needs these, yet lots of people sink huge money into them. Same goes for recreational aviation or horses.
Another thing is, gas prices in Europe are around 4 times as high(?) as in the US yet there still are enthusiasts owning V8 cars and sports cars...
Therefore I am sure that some current cars will appreciate if an enthusiasm about cars is kept (see the "young people loosing interest in cars"-thread).
Back on topic, I agree with the Clownshoe and Z4 Coupe/M Coupe posted above. Both are rare, fast and especially the Z3 Coupe doesn't seem to loose any value any more if in good shape.
It's an interesting market. As you mention, few platforms are as heavily modified and attract a relatively ignorant owner. The end result? Few good cars remaining. There were a bit more than ~20,000 CT9A Evolutions imported into the US. A 20% estimate of attrition via accidents, etc is not unreasonable, leaving ~16K cars. At least half of those are virtually undrivable and another half of the remainder is on its way of getting there (stop by the EvoM). This leaves ~4,000 cars in acceptable condition out of which maybe 1000 are truly desirable to an automotive/driving enthusiast. This is platform where it isn't unusual to see 5-6 owners on a 5 year old car, where each and every one modded the car, abused the crap out of it, and parted it out before selling. Can't wait to see what the next five years will bring. It's a fascinating thing to watch.
Last edited by vwrobertg; 05-10-2012 at 09:06 AM.
The Mk4 R has a really good chance of selling 20 years from now at MSRP if clean and decent on the miles. The syncro comment was already made but that shows the point, who knows though.
I don't understand 90% of these posts though. NOT taking into consideration inflation the E30 M3 doesn't come close to appreciating, the MSRP was over $34,000. I am not finding any cars really over $34k. IMHO appreciation is a car selling more than MSRP and technically should be corrected for inflation. That is over $60,000. So again, someone please tell me how any of these cars aside from about 3 are actually going to or have even appreciated. NSX is no different. Over $80,000 new, and they are NOT selling anywhere close to that.
This thread title should be changed to low production or limited release cars of the 2000's.
There are alot of good candidates posted here that will appreciate in the future i think but almost none will ever be more valuable than they were new. Ya, 10 years from now they will be worth pocket lint but 15 years they might. E worth a few grand (ok, generalization what i mean to say is not zero and a relatiy significant amount)
Basing arguments off 60s muscle cars (prices for which I believe are stupid) is not relevant. There's just so much nostalgia associated with those cars and the boomers that i simply does not exist anymore. Remember, back then north american society was on its ascendancy and life here was only getting better (for the most part of course). I don't think people can honestly say the same now.
Its the nostalgia that makes a freaking mustang with a motoer that only came in 50,000 units as opposd to 1,000,000 worth the $150k that idiots on barret jackson pay.
Do you HONESTLY think someone is gonna get their panties in a bunch to that sort of tune for an r32???? Bear in mind i love that car and think it will at least climb from the bottom values.....
Call you skeptical, and off base. 60,000 or so in the US. So if you live in the states, that is the number to work off of.
Getting further into details, there 3 different flavors of the S2K (AP1, AP2, CR), and now take into account how many are low mileage, stock, and not wrecked/salvaged.
It is very possible in 20 years there will only be a few thousand of each flavor available with low miles, stock and not beat to ****.
Be skeptical all you want, but I'll go out on a limb and say you will be surprised.
Add to that, by 2035, cars will be so heavy, with huge beltlines, dumbed down and with no real connection to it anymore, there will be enthusiasts who will want to bring back the days when a car was simple with no electronic nannies and computer crap practically driving it for you.
If I ever sell mine in the near future, I will be happy i to pay top dollar for a stock low mileage example when 2035 - 2040 rolls around.
Seconded on the S2000. I dont particularly care if they don't appreciate past their msrp since I didnt buy one new. I am seriously tempted to buy a clean one for $13k now since they won't get any younger or easier to find. It's the FD of its decade without the meltdowns and I have no doubt they'll be in higher demand ten years from now when Honda is only making holistic crossovers powered by rubber bands.
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