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    Thread: To Cabrio or not to Cabrio...that is the question.

    1. Member DubLuv1's Avatar
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      03-14-2012 11:38 AM #101
      wow.. guess im lucky i didnt do more damage then

      I can take a picture of the fuse box later today if that helps. I also had a problem like this recently and it was my ignition switch. If the ignition switch is bad, it will prevent power from getting to the coil. Also if the teeth on the timing belt are bad, then it wont start.
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      03-14-2012 11:41 AM #102
      to do list:
      i do have a new electrical end of ignition switch.
      try that first.
      no joy, try the ecm.
      after that..dunno.

      i just want to know if you have a relay in the top row of the fuse box..3 from left...or is it empty.
      and thanks.


      it may not sound like it but i've been researching this for hours and hours besides asking for help here.

      possible solutions i've found:
      replace ecm
      replace distributor
      replace crank position sensor
      replace ecm relay
      replace key electrical end

      again, I'm pretty good on mk1's but total neophyte on the mk3's...so thanks to everybody for being interested enough to try to help.
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      03-14-2012 12:03 PM #103
      FYI Cajun-- Here my thread from when I had a similar issue. Some good info here..

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...trical-problem)
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      03-14-2012 10:33 PM #104
      ECU came in today..but I got home too late to try it.

      Going to swap key switch first, then ecu if needed.

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      03-15-2012 03:38 AM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by CajunSpike View Post
      ECU came in today..but I got home too late to try it.

      Going to swap key switch first, then ecu if needed.


      This also might be useful,as a reference http://www.2carpros.com/articles/car...but-wont-start

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      03-15-2012 03:44 PM #106
      Changed electrical end of key switch, crank, no spark.

      left key switch in place, swapped ecu, cranked, no spark.


      ok, i've officially tried everything i know to do.


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      03-15-2012 04:16 PM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by CajunSpike View Post
      Changed electrical end of key switch, crank, no spark.

      left key switch in place, swapped ecu, cranked, no spark.


      ok, i've officially tried everything i know to do.

      Do you have a mutimeter? Also, what kind of switch did you get? I bought an Autozone one once (they are white) and it didnt work that well. I recommend getting a german one (would be black)

      If you turn the key to the "on" position, read the voltage going to the coil pack. What does it read
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      03-15-2012 04:23 PM #108
      Not sure if you did this yet, but clean all the grounds real good. Give them a good wire brushing. Could be the alarm system. You can try disabling it. Heres some good info too:

      http://faculty.ccp.edu/faculty/dreed...diag/index.htm
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      03-15-2012 04:43 PM #109
      I bought the key switch from NAPA.
      I do have a multimeter.
      Grounds have not been cleaned.

      I vaguely remember finding a thread on how to test the coil..I will find it.

      About the only other thing that comes to mind is that maybe on one of the wiring harness joints, something is disconnected.

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      03-15-2012 06:06 PM #110
      Replaced cap.
      Replaced rotor.
      Pulled main wire from coil to cap.
      Sat the wire about 1/8 inch from metal.
      Cranked the engine....no spark.

      So whatever the problem is, the coil is not making spark...not that spark is being made and not transmitted to the plugs.

      Cleaned the ground from the coil to the block.

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      03-15-2012 06:29 PM #111
      tested both old coil and new coil as per this:
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...n+coil+testing

      both coils met expected numbers.

      tested two outer wires on electrical coil connector.
      12v present outer wires with key on.

      reinstalled original ecu...checked for codes...no codes.

      next?

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      03-15-2012 06:47 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by CajunSpike View Post
      Replaced cap.
      Replaced rotor.
      Pulled main wire from coil to cap.
      Sat the wire about 1/8 inch from metal.
      Cranked the engine....no spark.

      So whatever the problem is, the coil is not making spark...not that spark is being made and not transmitted to the plugs.

      Cleaned the ground from the coil to the block.
      Hmmm this is getting tricky.. Heres what id check next:

      1) Clean the main battery ground
      2) clean the starter ground
      3) try to bypass the alarm system

      Thats all I can think of right now
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      03-15-2012 06:54 PM #113
      I'm trying to follow all the tips and be thorough.

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      03-15-2012 10:38 PM #114
      Been searching and searching.
      found this post that pretty much 100% duplicates the steps I did.
      The final solution for this person was to replace the distributor, which is the one part I haven't touched.
      http://forums.subdriven.com/showthre...05429-No-spark....

      Having said that, I have a distributor for a mk1 digifant jetta.
      IIRC, the only difference between the mk1 and the mk3 distributor is the gear on the bottom of the distributor shaft.
      I remember this because thats the one thing you have to change when you use the ABA bottom end with a digifant head, to have a 2.0 in a mk1.

      Am I thinking correctly on this, that if I replace the mk1 gear with the mk3 gear on the bottom of the distributor, I can slide it in and use it in the mk3 block?

      Or if you're super careful, can you transfer the hall sensor from the mk1 distributor to the mk3 distributor and have it work?

      There IS an aba in the junkyard with the distributor still in place.
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      03-16-2012 11:00 AM #115
      Honeslty cant help you there. But if power isnt getting sent to the distributer it wont matter. The coil pack needs to send pulses of power out -before anything else can do its job.

      Im asking myself: if you replaced the coil pack or you know its good, what else would prevent power from getting to the dizzy (besides what you tried)
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      03-16-2012 11:44 AM #116
      Was the coil you put in new? ( coil as in singular Aha equipped cars don't have a "coil pack")
      I wouldn't rule out 2 faulty coils, if you're going to replace your distributor replace it with one from a MK3.
      Have you checked to see if your timing marks are set correctly? If the ECU is getting mixed signals from the hall sender and the CPS it may not be firing the coil.
      lastly my sons GTi (2.0) was having similar problems due to a faulty ground wire that runs from the battery ground to the fuse box.

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      03-16-2012 12:07 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by csrgti View Post
      Was the coil you put in new? ( coil as in singular Aha equipped cars don't have a "coil pack")
      I wouldn't rule out 2 faulty coils, if you're going to replace your distributor replace it with one from a MK3.
      Have you checked to see if your timing marks are set correctly? If the ECU is getting mixed signals from the hall sender and the CPS it may not be firing the coil.
      lastly my sons GTi (2.0) was having similar problems due to a faulty ground wire that runs from the battery ground to the fuse box.
      Coil was brand new out the box. Also found a post that said how to test both coils with ohmmeter, which I did. Results from coil test show both coils in working order.
      Have not checked timing marks. i do know the distributor turns when the engine is cranked over. I think at this point, I'm going to have to start looking for unusual reasons for it not to work other than the 'usual' reasons. if i do the distributor, i will do the mk3 unit so as not to confuse the issue.
      Again, thank you for continued input.

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      03-17-2012 02:06 PM #118
      somebody said to do a tap test on the distributor. pull the wire going to it. take another wire, connect it to the center pin in the distributor plug. with the key on, tap the extra wire direct to the battery to fool the system into thinking it has a pulse to fire the coil.

      Did the tap test...no spark. also pulled apart the twist connector. it had oil in it. sprayed it with cleaner and let it drip out, reconnected it. pulled and reconnected the grounds screwed to the block. i went to junkyard to get a different distributor, but somebody had removed the entire engine from the car. rechecked with code reader, no codes.

      battery was down a bit, so put on charger. when it got to 75% cranked it over...tach did not move at all.

      pulled three wires grounded to front of block...buffed them up, reinstalled.
      i think it may be time to start tracing wires to test for continuity unless there is some way to test each individual part better than I've done.
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      03-17-2012 07:14 PM #119
      Tested continuity of the center crankshaft position sensor wire all the way back to the computer..wire ok.
      Tested continuity of the center distributor sensor wire all the way back to the computer...wire ok.
      Removed, buffed, reinstalled grounds bolted to the block...did not test for continuity.
      Replaced coil wire with new, test, no spark.
      Again swapped out computer with replacement, although the part number is slightly different, test, no spark.

      Found this, which looks interesting:

      http://www.justanswer.com/vw-volkswa...rio-alarm.html
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      03-18-2012 04:11 AM #120
      I've seen that site too,they seem to help a lot of people out,perhaps you could ask there too.The alarm then is the last frontier?

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      03-18-2012 09:25 AM #121
      No new info here just making sure you didn't miss something in the thread. I just read through the last couple weeks of posts. took a couple of notes

      -You stated earlier that the engine speed sensor could be an issue did you eliminate this?
      -The 2nd ecm you got was it the 100% right one?
      -Did you ever verify the timing marks?
      -Did anything ever come of the anti-lock error code of the rear wheels (don't know how this could be related)... maybe try pulling the abs fuse
      -Did you try by passing the alarm by jumping the terminal in the instructions dubluv gave you?


      I ran into a problem with my fan not kicking on i tried everything... turned out to be a bad "good fuse" idk how that works but anyhow you could try replacing fuses... its cheap enough

      Im wondering how the nuetral safty switches work on these cars. Would they crank? Try putting the car in nuetral.

      Sorry that everything is so redundent... these were just the things that i didn't see answered in the thread (i probably overlooked it)
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      03-18-2012 12:25 PM #122
      -You stated earlier that the engine speed sensor could be an issue did you eliminate this?
      I just was given a way to actually do a test on it...to be done today.
      -The 2nd ecm you got was it the 100% right one?
      My ecm had a part number ending with Q. Replacement ecu has same part number ending with D
      -Did you ever verify the timing marks?
      No
      -Did anything ever come of the anti-lock error code of the rear wheels (don't know how this could be related)... maybe try pulling the abs fuse
      According to vag com, there is a defective wheel sensor on the drivers rear wheel.

      -Did you try by passing the alarm by jumping the terminal in the instructions dubluv gave you?
      No. Every page I've seen said the alarm just stops the starter from cranking. Starter cranks
      just fine.

      I will try everything people suggest no matter how off the wall because I need this car to run.
      Please keep helping with ideas.

      going look at a cabrio in a junkyard right now. Back later hopefully with another distributor.

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      03-18-2012 07:42 PM #123
      Just back from 140 mile round trip to a pull a part in Baton Rouge. Their inventory listed a 96 cabrio, so I went take a ride to see it. Indeed there was a white 96 Cabrio up on blocks. Car looked in decent shape, only minor body damage, motor mostly intact with some parts removed.




      I grabbed the ecu, the distributor, the passenger body side molding somebody else may use, and the hose for the windshield squirter.
      When I got back home, I rechecked that nothing had been left disconnected.
      Pulled out Ecu2(ending in D) and installed 96 cabrio ecu(ending in B).
      Grounded test plug..had to hunt for keys cuz forgot to hook them on my belt loop.
      Inserted keys...held breath.
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      Cranked over......got a spark on the test plug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


      TIME TO PARTY!!!!

      After a few cranks, I got a backfire from the exhaust...so I will pay homage to hyperlightboards48
      as being probably correct that the timing needs to be checked.

      The day was too late to pull apart the stuff around the timing cover, so I'll save that for next time.

      It looks like the second ecu I got from ebay is bad...seller will be notified.
      I will also find, unless somebody here can find or has one for sale, the correct ecu ending with Q.

      OMG....In one instant I've gone from pretty down about this, almost on edge of being hopeless..to walking on air.

      I know I've been a pain in ya'll butt...but the input you gave me kept me going. This ain't done until its done, but with spark, I can see light at the end of the tunnel.

      for everybody in the house.
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      03-18-2012 08:02 PM #124
      oh finally!!! Good job man. Isn't it funny how excited we can get over something so small as a spark hahah
      its a damn good feeling. Props for sticking with it

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      03-18-2012 08:31 PM #125
      While I was in Baton Rouge, I stopped someplace ya'll might recognize.





      I look cool in my shades...but the dub looks cooler!
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