VW rep at the Chicago auto show told me that one of the biggest requests from consumers has been AWD. He further stated that it would be available in 18 months. Anyone else hear this.
Havent heard of any changes other than the new smaller turbo 4 replacing the 2.5 5 banger. Probably a rumor and I doubt seriously that a sales rep is in on product development calls. I'd love to see all wheel drive on the Passat although I'd be a little jealous given that mine doesn't have it. also, i'd be a little surprised if they went more up market than the SEL given that the north american strategy for VW seems to be $19-32k for the car. It makes sense to me that if you want premium, go buy an Audi. If you want a german car experience for less than the price of a house, buy a VW. Me, I'm done spending millions on cars and yet I'm not ready for the nursing home so I bought the Passat and not the CamCord.
I asked the question but, as in other threads about this topic, I do not understand why people think
that AWD is "Premium"???
Could be a "Winter Package" bundled with other options, heck, if you live in Ca. or down South
I can understand why you would think anyone would desire/need AWD but if you live where it
snows, you would understand. AWD is not Premium, just look at Subaru. They had it on the CC
but you had to buy a full boat model for $42K to get it.
Some have reported adequate performance in the snow, others not, with the 'new' Passat.
AWD cannot hurt their sales, it is not a Premium but an asset to some, and anything over $3K
for it is insane. Lets see what the marketing genius' at VWoA can do.
Two different VW reps at the stand stated that AWD was the single most requested "feature" for the Passat. One said she could not comment on future offerings and the other stated "wait 18 months, you'll see it". No talk about engine choices but I'd expect it be married to gas engine either the VR6 or the new T-4.
I lived at the top of three big hills in Pittsurgh and had a 98 Forester there prior to my 02 9-3, and because of the liberal use of salt, there were only a few snows a year where I felt like I missed the awd. (and those storms made national news) Now in places like Boulder, CO, where deicing is pricier because the salt feeds the 'brown cloud', they left the snowpack on the roads....then awd mattered and there were subarus everywhere.
It seems with the choices of SUVs and crossovers out there, the family sedan market is not where VW is trying to satisfy the awd folks.
I see more Porsches than Subies where I live. I bet most subies are sold in the Northeast and Colorado. VW sells more Jettas than all Subaru models combined. They are indeed so successful in the US.
Having said that, Subaru models, despite having AWD, already cost significantly less than equivalent VW models. Throw in AWD, and VW will have a very hard time competing in the non-premium VW market, just like it did in the past.
I live in southern Ontario, 45 mins east of Toronto, and I drive 65km or 40 miles north of lake Ontario every day, at screwed up times like 4am when the roads aren't plowed. I have an Audi Allroad, 04 Jetta tdi, 2012 passat tdi. The two fwd cars are fine with winter tires if you know how to drive. I'd say maybe 5 times a year it's really bad out up here. Enough to pay for awd every day? I don't think so. Why do you think VW has Audi? Premium stuff for premium money. 90% of their buyers are around city hubs with big populations so their driving is not so long, and probably salted and cleared first anyway.
- Front bi-xenon with LED
- Extremely nice, genuine leather ventilated seats (better than in my Q7 '12)
- Full LED rear lights
- Full featured/color MFA+ utilizing LED all around for back-light
- Actual brushed aluminum for areas not utilizing real wood
- 600 W phenomenal dynaudio sound system
- OPS parking sensors displayed on the RNS 510 navigation screen (camera comes out of the logo as on older B6 Passat/CC)
- Overall and door design
- Electronic power steering
- Electronic rear brakes with Auto Hold
- 6 speed DSG transmssion
All of the above features (plus looks/quality) justify the 7,000 USD price different over the North American B7 Passat. Dynaudio by itself goes for at least 4,000 USD on the Tiguan as an option, don't forget the lighting front and rear, and 4-motion. In addition to the hinges, details etc.
I sat in one at the Chicago Auto Show. For the features and the quality of them, you cannot find a better buy. Don't get even started on the lack of quality, featureless, cheap plastic interiors of subarus. All wheel drive is the only thing well worth commenting on the subaru.
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It seems like Jetta sales were a little under 200K for 2011. Total Subaru sales for 2011 were around 267K. Still, the fact remains that AWD sales for previous Passats have always a very small percentage of total sales.
Despite being significantly larger, the B7 Passat weighs about the same as the B5.5. So with a stronger 1.8T than in the B5.5, 0-60mph time might be in the low- to mid-sevens and hwy mpgs over 35-36. Hopefully the manual will also be updated to from 5 to 6 speeds.
Assuming my current car lasts long enough, my options may be
1. 2013 Audi A4 for the midlife crisis splurge
2. 2013 CC for a mini-splurge
3. 2013 Passat 1.8T for the super practical and economical, but still somewhat fun to drive choice