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    Thread: The Chinese clone thread... gone wild

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      02-18-2012 10:10 PM #1
      Seen this today on carbuzz and just thinking what other models have they cloned? post em up here
      This is a clone of F150 which is called 4R3, the engine is 2.8-liter diesel which pumps 108hp and 177tourqe.




      http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2012/2/1...F-150-7707353/

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      02-18-2012 10:12 PM #2
      I have nothing to contribute, but in for later.

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      02-18-2012 10:13 PM #3
      LOL at those numbers on a pickup truck. I have nothing to add as well, please post up more copy cats.

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      02-18-2012 10:16 PM #4
      I wonder, if they infiltrate/hack companies to steal designs? Do they just get an F-150, take it apart, scan it, and mass produce? Or do they just eye-ball it?

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      02-18-2012 10:18 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by stascom View Post
      I wonder, if they infiltrate/hack companies to steal designs? Do they just get an F-150, take it apart, scan it, and mass produce? Or do they just eye-ball it?
      I would imagine they reverse engineer it, if you want to call it engineering.


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      02-18-2012 10:21 PM #6
      Another one



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      02-18-2012 10:24 PM #7
      With those numbers I hope it gets at least 45mpg to make the truck at least useful for something

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      02-18-2012 10:32 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by stascom View Post
      I wonder, if they infiltrate/hack companies to steal designs? Do they just get an F-150, take it apart, scan it, and mass produce? Or do they just eye-ball it?
      About 10 years ago they compared a cloned ford tractor to the original, and found mounting holes were copied for things that never made it to production on the original or clone.
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      02-18-2012 10:37 PM #10
      I remember reading an article in the early 2000s about Ford Explorers in China... something about the knockoffs being more plentiful than the real deal and the parts being mostly interchangeable. I think it was in Forbes or something anyone else read that article

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      02-18-2012 10:55 PM #11
      also found

    12. 02-18-2012 10:56 PM #12



      Silly china trying to steal from people. these really are copy's. looks just the same as the original.
      If you were to copy something you shouldn't make it so obvious. cool thread though any more of these?

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      02-18-2012 10:56 PM #13
      Had a supplier from a 3rd world country (not China but could easily have been) tell me that they could send the part in question to be sectioned & scanned digitally -- they would then supply the cloned part at a lower price. Not something that was acceptable obviously. The guy showed no embarrassment about the whole thing.

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      02-18-2012 10:59 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Brickx3 View Post
      Was this one added as a test?
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      02-18-2012 11:01 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by UndercoverDub View Post
      Seen this today on carbuzz and just thinking what other models have they cloned? post em up here
      This is a clone of F150 which is called 4R3, the engine is 2.8-liter diesel which pumps 108hp and 177tourqe.
      It looks like a relatively small truck.
      That engine should do fine as a work vehicle.
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      02-18-2012 11:16 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      It looks like a relatively small truck.
      That engine should do fine as a work vehicle.
      oh yeah I forgot all those guys in the pic are only 4-5' tall...lol

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      02-19-2012 03:45 AM #17
      Will there be a 'Laptor' edition?

    18. 02-19-2012 04:06 AM #18
      We laugh at China, China laughs at us.

      hmm, who's smarter here?

    19. 02-19-2012 04:26 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by UndercoverDub View Post
      Another one


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      02-19-2012 04:30 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by AIRider View Post
      We laugh at China, China laughs at us.

      hmm, who's smarter here?
      You think it's going to last? At the rate they're going through resources and how much toxic crap they're pumping into their land and water, they'll be screwed one way or another. It's not like they know how to innovate any longer like the ancient Chinese, all they can do now is copy it seems, so when that's no longer possible... You get the idea.

      Either that or their economy is going to f*ck itself in the ass one day in the not too distant future.

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      02-19-2012 06:48 AM #21
      These are all very small companies with no significant presence in the market.

      BTW, i think the Landwind wasn't a copy but bought technology as it was sold in Europe.
      I don't think GM would have stood for that if it was a clone.
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      02-19-2012 07:18 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Talareno View Post
      Had a supplier from a 3rd world country (not China but could easily have been) tell me that they could send the part in question to be sectioned & scanned digitally -- they would then supply the cloned part at a lower price. Not something that was acceptable obviously. The guy showed no embarrassment about the whole thing.
      They show no emotions in the first place anyway. That makes them really difficult to read. Makes you realize how important different tones of voice are in getting your message thru.
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      02-19-2012 07:31 AM #23
      Since there are Chinese partners w every foreign company, just maybe its some kind of deal where they can produce rebadged vehicles,just cheaper.
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      02-19-2012 08:44 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by UndercoverDub View Post
      Seen this today on carbuzz and just thinking what other models have they cloned? post em up here
      This is a clone of F150 which is called 4R3, the engine is 2.8-liter diesel which pumps 108hp and 177tourqe.




      http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2012/2/1...F-150-7707353/
      I think American should free proud that China finally steal American design. (previous they only steal Japanese and European designs)

      I don't care about these clones (so should you guys) because these clones only sell in China. So they fool nobody, only themselves. But it is one of a (strange) way to gauge which cars are hot/popular. (or worthy to getting clone)
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      02-19-2012 01:12 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by DUTCHMANia View Post
      These are all very small companies with no significant presence in the market.
      This point needs to be emphasized. Of the larger Chinese manufacturers today, only BYD still engages in total copying.

      The Chinese government is gradually forcing the consolidation of these smaller companies. As the larger companies produce more competitive cars with each generation, there will come a time in the near-future when copies like this will no longer attract buyers. Then this will be just another chapter of automotive history.
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    26. 02-19-2012 01:20 PM #26
      Wow. I had no idea this was happening. for awareness.

      Is there really no legal concern to these manufacturers who are having their designs ripped off? Or does the U.S. just let it slide because they owe China so much money?

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      02-19-2012 01:20 PM #27
      What's wrong with Chinese designers? They have an emerging market with way less restrictions then any other country and all they can come up with is bland crap and blatant copies? When we were in that position we came up with:


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      does the frame bend if you take it offroad is the real question...

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      02-19-2012 01:26 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Brendon1098 View Post
      does the frame bend if you take it offroad is the real question...
      If you hit a wash out at 80 mph.. I'd say yes.
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      02-19-2012 01:27 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by omoderncultureo View Post

      Chinese copies of VWs and Audis
      And the funny part is that the Chinese copies are actually more reliable.
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      02-19-2012 01:29 PM #32
      It looks like a Dodge RAM midsection and an F-150 front/rear.

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      02-19-2012 01:39 PM #34
      Since the Chinese Government won't uphold Patent rights maybe FoMoCo should stop outsourcing all its parts from overseas.

    35. 02-19-2012 01:46 PM #35
      Car makers have tried to sue but in Chinese court they are thrown out. Copyright infringement laws are much more loose over there.

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