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    Thread: The Chinese clone thread... gone wild

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      02-22-2012 05:36 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post
      yea.. just like the Japanese

      Ill take this over the original anyday!
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      02-22-2012 05:36 PM #72
      Drove one of these pieces of lard a few months ago

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      Which was copied from the Daihatsu Terios

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    3. 02-22-2012 05:48 PM #73
      I saw a Youtube of some Chinese knockoff in a crash test that literally collapsed like it was made of aluminum foil.
      You probably saw:

      1) A first generation Chinese car, like the Chery Amulet or the Geely Otaka... Both Geely and Chery have been making cars for only a few years when they tested those cars. (Geely started making cars in 2001, Chery in 1999). Their new offerings are much improved.

      2) A "crash test" deliberately mislabeled as a crash test of a Chinese car, eg: the Volkswagen T3 or the Holden Commodore which weren't real crash tests to begin with (notice the lack of crash test dummies)

      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Clarkson View Post
      I'm confused as to how they can sell those in the US. I thought all Chinese cars crumpled up like a beer can against a frat boy's head in even a moderate accident?
      The idea that all Chinese vehicles are unsafe is becoming wronger by the minute... The last two Chinese cars tested by Euro NCAP received 4 stars.
      Let me remind you that the Jeep Compass got 2 stars just today. That's from a company that has been around for 70 years.
      Last edited by Analyst; 02-22-2012 at 05:51 PM.

    4. 02-22-2012 05:49 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Clarkson View Post
      I'm confused as to how they can sell those in the US. I thought all Chinese cars crumpled up like a beer can against a frat boy's head in even a moderate accident?
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      BYD F3 Corolla knock-offs given to the Los Angels Housing Department:
      The BYD Corolla knockoffs are very odd in that they are not US-spec (no sign of amber front side markers or reflectors for example) so how can those seemingly non-federalized examples be legal in the US?

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      02-22-2012 05:55 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      The BYD Corolla knockoffs are very odd in that they are not US-spec (no sign of amber front side markers or reflectors for example) so how can those seemingly non-federalized examples be legal in the US?
      Some sort of friendly program whereby they're here for official government business? No idea, but they are currently used for LA City purposes.
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      02-22-2012 05:59 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      Some sort of friendly program whereby they're here for official government business? No idea, but they are currently used for LA City purposes.
      LA city gov't buying Chinese cars? LOLWUT.
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      02-22-2012 06:03 PM #77
      After a lengthy google search, I discovered this Chinese auto manufacturer internal training document

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      02-22-2012 06:21 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by mhjett View Post
      LA city gov't buying Chinese cars? LOLWUT.
      I'm pretty sure they were "loaned." Still...
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    9. 02-22-2012 06:24 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      It's not like Fiat took a Mini, tore it down and copied it. That's exactly what BYD did with the Corolla.
      I'll give you that, but the new BYD F3 moves away from the Corolla look:



      (I'd say it looks better than the new Corolla, but that might be just my Toyota hate speaking)

      I also find it funny, ironic even, that you picked a Toyota... A company that started making cars with a copy of the Chrysler Airflow.


    10. 02-22-2012 06:31 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by jonedal View Post
      Since the Chinese Government won't uphold Patent rights maybe FoMoCo should stop outsourcing all its parts from overseas.
      Then FoMoCo would go out of business.

      Good Idea!

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      02-22-2012 06:31 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      The BYD Corolla knockoffs are very odd in that they are not US-spec (no sign of amber front side markers or reflectors for example) so how can those seemingly non-federalized examples be legal in the US?
      a free car is a free car... i think a city like LA could use "free"
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      02-22-2012 06:36 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by DUTCHMANia View Post
      a free car is a free car... i think a city like LA could use "free"
      I'm sure that'll offset the costs of the "a bird dropped a medium weight turd on the roof of my city-provided Chinese car, and the roof collapsed and severed my spine" lawsuits
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      02-22-2012 06:36 PM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post

      The idea that all Chinese vehicles are unsafe is becoming wronger by the minute... The last two Chinese cars tested by Euro NCAP received 4 stars.
      Let me remind you that the Jeep Compass got 2 stars just today. That's from a company that has been around for 70 years.


      Impressive... Plus, if you look at the rating, it could have gotten 5 stars if pedestrian safety would have been better,.. And I, for one, Could care less about pedestrian safety when looking for a car.
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    14. 02-22-2012 06:51 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by DUTCHMANia View Post


      Impressive... Plus, if you look at the rating, it could have gotten 5 stars if pedestrian safety would have been better,.. And I, for one, Could care less about pedestrian safety when looking for a car.
      No, you couldn't care less.


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      02-22-2012 07:07 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post
      No, you couldn't care less.
      He's Dutch and his English bests about 99% of TCLers .
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      02-22-2012 07:09 PM #86
      food for thought...where do you think most of the aftermarket auto body parts that your insurance company pays for come from?
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      02-22-2012 07:24 PM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      He's Dutch and his English bests about 99% of TCLers .
      I consider myself to be a grammer nazi, so yes.. he's right and it hurts
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      02-22-2012 07:25 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by EdRacer71 View Post
      food for thought...where do you think most of the aftermarket auto body parts that your insurance company pays for come from?
      the same chinese factories the originals come from?
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      02-22-2012 09:13 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by DUTCHMANia View Post
      I consider myself to be a grammar nazi, so yes.. he's right and it hurts
      Now you're REALLY in pain .
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    20. 02-22-2012 09:25 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      Now you're REALLY in pain .
      How so?

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      The 82-92 Pontiac Firebird and Chevy Camaro!!! /trollface

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      02-22-2012 09:36 PM #92
      The Dongfeng EQ2050 Hanma



      Also I wonder if that is a real civic in the background or another copy.

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      02-22-2012 10:19 PM #94
      Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post
      How so?
      Becaused it used to say grammEr .
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      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      Becaused it used to say grammEr .
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      02-23-2012 09:47 AM #96
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      Just for fun...

      Aaah MFC. First time I went to China I was based in an absolute Armpit of the place called Zhanjiang and all that we could find to eat at lunchtimes that we could recognize and wasn't chickens heads or feet was the local MFC branch (known to us as Muther F**kin Chicken) at the end of the road. Did good (cheap) ice-cream at luncthimes too. Evening meals were in the 'western hotel' which felt like a copy of a 1960s Spanish holiday resort with the same decor.

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      The Dongfeng EQ2050 Hanma

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      02-23-2012 10:14 AM #98
      threads like these are goldmines of xenophobia and stereotypes. and im sure the chinese people reading these comments take them as general US concensus... no wonder the world hates you
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      02-23-2012 10:34 AM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by unleashedd View Post
      threads like these are goldmines of xenophobia and stereotypes. and im sure the chinese people reading these comments take them as general US concensus... no wonder the world hates you
      These are straight-up copies. I think it's pretty legit to call it out.
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    30. 02-23-2012 02:30 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by unleashedd View Post
      threads like these are goldmines of xenophobia and stereotypes. and im sure the chinese people reading these comments take them as general US concensus... no wonder the world hates you
      and drama queen accusations like yours reduce terms like "xenophobia" to meaninglessness
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    31. 02-23-2012 02:33 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post
      And the Koreans



      And the Italians



      And the Americans



      Gotta love the prejudiced and misinformed opinions posted on this thread.

      None of your examples come even close to being copies. These designs may have been inspired by each other, but they're clearly not copies. There are very good examples of copies in this thread that only China can be accused of.If you cant see that then you're the "prejudiced" and "misinformed" one if you're denying whats in front of your face.
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      02-23-2012 04:34 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post


      The car is made by Beijing Auto... which has a partnership with Mercedes-Benz.
      Congratulations, you found another rebadged car made under license.
      Except it's not an authorized reproduction. It is a copy. Just like how BAIC cloned the Mercedes B-class. They got Mercedes by the balls and there is nothing the Germans can do.

      BAIC is not the only one that rips off their JV partners:

      Brilliance blatantly copies the X1...


      FAW rips off Mazda


      And there the sordid tales of how Nanjing FIAT Palio ended up in the hands of another Chinese company.
      Last edited by bzcat; 02-23-2012 at 04:41 PM.

    33. 02-23-2012 04:50 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by Newbie16ver View Post
      None of your examples come even close to being copies. These designs may have been inspired by each other, but they're clearly not copies. There are very good examples of copies in this thread that only China can be accused of.If you cant see that then you're the "prejudiced" and "misinformed" one if you're denying whats in front of your face.
      Did you miss the Toyota AA aka Chrysler Airflow copy? Here it is again:



      Toyota wasn't the first, nor the last Japanese company to start making cars with an "inspired" design.





      The larger Chinese that were copying already stopped. The ones that haven't eventually will.

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      02-23-2012 04:55 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0_Mazda View Post
      Drove one of these pieces of lard a few months ago

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      Which was copied from the Daihatsu Terios

      Yes, but it´s a copy of the first gen Terios. The one you show is the second Gen.

      Firts Gen:

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      02-23-2012 04:56 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post
      The larger Chinese that were copying already stopped. The ones that haven't eventually will.
      So you admit that they were? And some still are?
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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