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    Thread: The Chinese clone thread... gone wild

    1. Member lab_rat's Avatar
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      02-19-2012 10:08 PM #51
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      It looks like the XTrail copy is actually using the 1st Gen Rodeo body (look at the A/B/C pillars & doors), with a Frontier front clip and an extended Rodeo rear cargo area.

      I would consider this a mutt, not really a clone of the XTrail

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      02-20-2012 07:39 PM #52

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      02-20-2012 08:46 PM #53


      Saw one of these in Costa Rica. It looks like an Xterra mated with a Rodeo that's been stretched.

    4. 02-20-2012 08:55 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      Heh! I saw that. It's a pre-production prototype. I know the Chinese are bad, but I don't think they're that bad
      It's not that much worse than this asymmetry.


      Or this:


      And those are not prototypes or pre-production.

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      02-22-2012 12:26 PM #55
      Just for fun...

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    6. 02-22-2012 12:47 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Lifelong Obsession View Post


      ...copies (with butchered proportions):

      I see no resemblance whatsoever, other than both of them have the four wheels, four doors...

      Quote Originally Posted by S0RRY View Post
      The car is made by Beijing Auto... which has a partnership with Mercedes-Benz.
      Congratulations, you found another rebadged car made under license.
      Last edited by Analyst; 02-22-2012 at 01:07 PM.

    7. 02-22-2012 01:02 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by JoshDub View Post
      Car makers have tried to sue but in Chinese court they are thrown out. Copyright infringement laws are much more loose over there.
      That doesn't mean jack. Car design is highly subjective. I'm pretty sure these clones have been mentioned here...

      BMW sued Shuanghuan claiming the SCEO is a copy of the X5 in Italy and lost. (link)



      Daimler also sued Shuanghuan claiming the Noble is a copy of the smart fortwo in Greece and lost. (link)



      The European courts think it's fine, so why wouldn't the Chinese?
      Last edited by Analyst; 02-22-2012 at 01:07 PM.

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      02-22-2012 01:08 PM #58
      They have no shame

    9. 02-22-2012 01:12 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by Brickx3 View Post
      GM settled with Chery, so why are you still bringing this up?

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      02-22-2012 01:34 PM #60
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      02-22-2012 02:34 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by SebTheDJ View Post
      They have no shame
      yea.. just like the Japanese

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    12. 02-22-2012 03:54 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post
      yea.. just like the Japanese
      And the Koreans



      And the Italians



      And the Americans



      Gotta love the prejudiced and misinformed opinions posted on this thread.
      Last edited by Analyst; 02-22-2012 at 04:01 PM.

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      02-22-2012 04:11 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post
      And the Americans

      Gotta love the prejudiced and misinformed opinions posted on this thread.
      Ford owned, and still owns a small portion of, Aston Martin. The DB9 was designed when Ford was in complete ownership and they've been working that design language into Fords for years. The head of the 2013 Fusion design team, Chris Hamilton, has worked in the Ford design for years in he UK and I'm sure he and Henrik Fisker crossed paths more than a few times. Besides, all of those are far from the cookie-cutter clones shown in this thread.
      Last edited by pat_ernzen; 02-22-2012 at 04:21 PM.

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      02-22-2012 04:20 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post
      And the Koreans



      And the Italians



      And the Americans



      Gotta love the prejudiced and misinformed opinions posted on this thread.

      I will agree with you as long as you include others like the Germans copying the Japanese, Japanese copying Americans, French being French, English copying Germans etc......

      Seriously though, I would say that sometimes there are blatant copies, regardless of whether they have rights or not. However, there are parts of almost every car that resemble another, some just play it up more than others.

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      02-22-2012 04:25 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by Wimbledon View Post
      This point needs to be emphasized. Of the larger Chinese manufacturers today, only BYD still engages in total copying.
      The irony of this is that BYD is the only one with an actual presence in the US (aside from electric car conversions based on tiny Chinese cars and the Coda car bodies).

      BYD office in Los Angeles on Figueroa (that's a BYD bus, btw):





      BYD and our mayor:


      BYD F3 Corolla knock-offs given to the Los Angels Housing Department:
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    16. 02-22-2012 04:29 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by pat_ernzen View Post
      Ford owned, and still owns a small portion of, Aston Martin. Besides, all of those are far from the cookie-cutter clones shown in this thread.
      I've probably seen every alleged Chinese clone in existence, and most of them fall under these categories:

      1) The majority of them come from very small companies in China, with insignificant market share (eg: Shuanghuan, Yema, Huanghai)

      2) Licensed copies of older models (eg: the Beijing Auto Mercedes "clone")

      3) Concept cars that never made it to production (eg: Geely GE aka Baby Rolls), or cars that never existed in the first place (eg: the BYD T6, a supposed clone of the Porsche Cayenne).

      There are very, very few cars that are shameless copies that had significant sales numbers in China.

      The only clones that got good sales are the Matiz copy, the Chery QQ and the BYD F3, a Corolla clone.

      I've already shown you that GM settled with Chery, so they are legit now.

      And the BYD F3... Well, the new BYD F3 looks much more original. They'll get there eventually.

      That's why I'm saying the opinions here are misinformed.

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      02-22-2012 04:30 PM #67


      That's a really blatant one.

      I would love to see underneath one of the copies; I imagine they're the worst hack jobs imaginable. I saw a Youtube of some Chinese knockoff in a crash test that literally collapsed like it was made of aluminum foil.

      Part of it is a cultural thing - there is a totally different view of intellectual property in Chinese culture. It's a major issue for Western businesses there, and not just with automobiles.

      Here's a Chinese company turning the issue on its head and suing Apple, using Chinese law to claim (successfully at that) that Apple stole the "iPad" trademark from it.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...hTR_story.html
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      02-22-2012 04:32 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by Analyst View Post
      And the Koreans



      And the Italians



      And the Americans



      Gotta love the prejudiced and misinformed opinions posted on this thread.

      Copying design cues (and the Fiat and Mini are not even close) and making them go mainstream (Altezza tails, fender vents, LED lights) is not at all what we're talking about here.

      This is what we're talking about:


      vs.





      vs.



      It's not like Fiat took a Mini, tore it down and copied it. That's exactly what BYD did with the Corolla.
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      02-22-2012 04:32 PM #69
      I'm confused as to how they can sell those in the US. I thought all Chinese cars crumpled up like a beer can against a frat boy's head in even a moderate accident?
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      02-22-2012 04:35 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by mhjett View Post


      That's a really blatant one.

      I would love to see underneath one of the copies; I imagine they're the worst hack jobs imaginable. I saw a Youtube of some Chinese knockoff in a crash test that literally collapsed like it was made of aluminum foil.

      Part of it is a cultural thing - there is a totally different view of intellectual property in Chinese culture. It's a major issue for Western businesses there, and not just with automobiles.

      Here's a Chinese company turning the issue on its head and suing Apple, using Chinese law to claim (successfully at that) that Apple stole the "iPad" trademark from it.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...hTR_story.html
      Here you go:

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      02-22-2012 04:36 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post
      yea.. just like the Japanese

      Ill take this over the original anyday!
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      02-22-2012 04:36 PM #72
      Drove one of these pieces of lard a few months ago

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      Which was copied from the Daihatsu Terios


    23. 02-22-2012 04:48 PM #73
      I saw a Youtube of some Chinese knockoff in a crash test that literally collapsed like it was made of aluminum foil.
      You probably saw:

      1) A first generation Chinese car, like the Chery Amulet or the Geely Otaka... Both Geely and Chery have been making cars for only a few years when they tested those cars. (Geely started making cars in 2001, Chery in 1999). Their new offerings are much improved.

      2) A "crash test" deliberately mislabeled as a crash test of a Chinese car, eg: the Volkswagen T3 or the Holden Commodore which weren't real crash tests to begin with (notice the lack of crash test dummies)

      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Clarkson View Post
      I'm confused as to how they can sell those in the US. I thought all Chinese cars crumpled up like a beer can against a frat boy's head in even a moderate accident?
      The idea that all Chinese vehicles are unsafe is becoming wronger by the minute... The last two Chinese cars tested by Euro NCAP received 4 stars.
      Let me remind you that the Jeep Compass got 2 stars just today. That's from a company that has been around for 70 years.
      Last edited by Analyst; 02-22-2012 at 04:51 PM.

    24. 02-22-2012 04:49 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Clarkson View Post
      I'm confused as to how they can sell those in the US. I thought all Chinese cars crumpled up like a beer can against a frat boy's head in even a moderate accident?
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      BYD F3 Corolla knock-offs given to the Los Angels Housing Department:
      The BYD Corolla knockoffs are very odd in that they are not US-spec (no sign of amber front side markers or reflectors for example) so how can those seemingly non-federalized examples be legal in the US?

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      02-22-2012 04:55 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      The BYD Corolla knockoffs are very odd in that they are not US-spec (no sign of amber front side markers or reflectors for example) so how can those seemingly non-federalized examples be legal in the US?
      Some sort of friendly program whereby they're here for official government business? No idea, but they are currently used for LA City purposes.
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