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    1. 02-20-2012 02:05 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by AHFlynn View Post
      haha, youre quoting senna after he intentionally wrecked prost.

      its totally true but you also have to finish races, with the FIA throwing punishments at him every other race and a lot of close calls, as well as some wrecks arguably due to going for a pass he probably shouldnt have. i love him as a racer and i wouldnt have it any other way, but he is for sure one of the most fierce and sometimes reckless drivers out there.
      I don't think he intentionally wrecked him at all. Senna's nose hits the apex in the dog left first when prost comes across his nose. There was a massive gap that Prost closed the door on at the wrong time. He should have never left that huge window to begin with. Plus Prost cold drive worth a damn in the rain so he loses a lot of respect from me for that very reason. 5 championships and all

    2. 02-20-2012 02:18 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      Try looking at the context of my post before calling me an idiot.

      As for passing, yeah Hamilton is tenacious, but look at what it gets him more often than not: a wrecked race car or a trip to the stewards. Racing isn't just about throwing your car into every gap you see, it's being smart about when and where to make the move. Hamilton needs to grow up a bit in this regard before he'll be able to add a second WDC to his tally.
      I read the whole thing and stand by my comments. Your use of the word was what was out of context so no pity from me for calling it like it is. Hamilton doesn't need to do one thing you say. He needs a better car to win the wdc that is all.
      Quote Originally Posted by JuanManuelFangio View Post
      While I applaud passing in F1 and Hamilton is probably the best at it (at least top 2-3), he will go for gaps that simply aren't there, or put other drivers in situations that are likely to cause a crash. Drivers have questioned his driving style as crossing the line from aggressive to dangerous.

      You are right that you want to win, but it is better to win the WDC than an individual race, and sometimes it is better to avoid a risky pass to protect your points. This is why Alonso is better in my book. He knows when to play it safe and when to be aggressive. Hamilton is always aggressive and it has cost him.
      The best way to win the wdc is to win each and every race period. If you can't win the race then so be it. But you race to win, plain and simple. My three favorite drivers of all time believed in this philosophy: Senna, Earnhardt, and Hamilton. May the first two rest in peace. I have much respect for Alonso's driving skill but the way he torpedoes both McLaren and Hamilton's rookie season makes me question his character. Ron Dennis had every right to favor Hamilton at the end of the season.
      Last edited by enigmatic enthusiast; 02-20-2012 at 02:28 AM.

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      02-20-2012 02:22 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by enigmatic enthusiast View Post
      I don't think he intentionally wrecked him at all. Senna's nose hits the apex in the dog left first when prost comes across his nose. There was a massive gap that Prost closed the door on at the wrong time. He should have never left that huge window to begin with. Plus Prost cold drive worth a damn in the rain so he loses a lot of respect from me for that very reason. 5 championships and all
      im just going off of the documentary lol, i dont even think i was alive for that race.

      this vid is hamilton in gp2 but still, the passing is incredible.

      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      Nah, understeering into a tree in a Honda like a teenage girl ruins your street cred. I'd leave the door to show how hard you are.

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      02-20-2012 02:25 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by enigmatic enthusiast View Post
      I don't think he intentionally wrecked him at all. Senna's nose hits the apex in the dog left first when prost comes across his nose. There was a massive gap that Prost closed the door on at the wrong time. He should have never left that huge window to begin with. Plus Prost cold drive worth a damn in the rain so he loses a lot of respect from me for that very reason. 5 championships and all
      lol wut, Prost has 4 WDC... Fangio has 5.

      And Prost was a damn good driver in the wet, arguably one of the best in the field outside of Senna. If Prost loses any kind of respect it's on the vetos/clauses he wanted in his contracts with Ferrari and Williams to prevent Mansell and later on Senna from being his teammates. He wanted to be the in the best car on the grid without any chance of his counterpart driver posing him any kind of threat like what previously happened at McLaren.

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      02-20-2012 02:36 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by enigmatic enthusiast View Post
      I read the whole thing and stand by my comments. Your use of the word was what was out of context so no pity from me for calling it like it is. Hamilton doesn't need to do one thing you say. He needs a better car to win the wdc that is all.
      My use of the word was not out of context; do you even understand what "context" means? I don't think you do...

      As for Hamilton, you act as though he's had crappy cars, lol. Sorry, but he's pissed away at least one, if not two chances by driving with his head up his ass more often than not. As was said, he routinely goes for "gaps" that aren't there. You need to finish the race to get the points, after all.
      Quote Originally Posted by enigmatic enthusiast View Post
      The best way to win the wdc is to win each and every race period. If you can't win the race then so be it. But you race to win, plain and simple. My three favorite drivers of all time believed in this philosophy: Senna, Earnhardt, and Hamilton. May the first two rest in peace. I have much respect for Alonso's driving skill but the way he torpedoes both McLaren and Hamilton's rookie season makes me question his character. Ron Dennis had every right to favor Hamilton at the end of the season.
      The best way to win the WDC is to finish each and every race; winning is secondary. If you take yourself out of the race trying to go balls out for the win, you're obviously not going to take home the title at the end of the year.

      By the way, Earnhardt was able to get 7 titles because he was consistent and, above all else, smart. He knew how to "points race", something that Hamilton can't seem to grasp. Earnhardt's tally of victories actually isn't that big (Jeff Gordon has surpassed him and he's "only" got 4 titles), but he was there to finish the race and take home the points more often than not, and that's what counts.

      People remember champions, not individual race winners.

    6. 02-20-2012 02:38 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Tuneman7 View Post
      lol wut, Prost has 4 WDC... Fangio has 5.

      And Prost was a damn good driver in the wet, arguably one of the best in the field outside of Senna. If Prost loses any kind of respect it's on the vetos/clauses he wanted in his contracts with Ferrari and Williams to prevent Mansell and later on Senna from being his teammates. He wanted to be the in the best car on the grid without any chance of his counterpart driver posing him any kind of threat like what previously happened at McLaren.
      LOL. I'm not sure who would make that argument. Damon Hill his teammate at williams was better in the wet. Not to mention Micheal shumacher.

    7. 02-20-2012 02:48 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      My use of the word was not out of context; do you even understand what "context" means? I don't think you do...

      As for Hamilton, you act as though he's had crappy cars, lol. Sorry, but he's pissed away at least one, if not two chances by driving with his head up his ass more often than not. As was said, he routinely goes for "gaps" that aren't there. You need to finish the race to get the points, after all.


      The best way to win the WDC is to finish each and every race; winning is secondary. If you take yourself out of the race trying to go balls out for the win, you're obviously not going to take home the title at the end of the year.

      By the way, Earnhardt was able to get 7 titles because he was consistent and, above all else, smart. He knew how to "points race", something that Hamilton can't seem to grasp. Earnhardt's tally of victories actually isn't that big (Jeff Gordon has surpassed him and he's "only" got 4 titles), but he was there to finish the race and take home the points more often than not, and that's what counts.

      People remember champions, not individual race winners.
      You should leaving the thinking to those whom are actually capable of doing so properly.

      He's had two cars truly capable of competing for a title. Won with one and was a button press away from winning the other.

      Don't tell the man who already has a wdc the best way to win in thank you very much. And the best way to Win the wdc is to win every race. Notice how those two bold words are the same. Pretty simple math.

      Ha Earnhardt would spin a man out if he stood in his way of victory so can it.

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      02-20-2012 04:11 AM #58
      wow, i should have read this thread before my first post.

      Quote Originally Posted by enigmatic enthusiast View Post
      I don't think he intentionally wrecked him at all.
      you must be blind...

      he absolutely did it on purpose, and what shocked everyone, was his lack of remorse. i'm as big a senna fan as any other person, but it was obvious he took out prost for the title that year. especially after getting ****ed in 1989 about going "off track" in an incident with prost, who subsequently went crying to the FIA. he complained about senna rejoining the race after being in the chicane escape road and part of the pit entrance at Suzuka.

      and as far as other kimi getting robbed of multiple championships? i absolutely agree with nick and many others. how many times did you see the mclaren grenade an engine that year? it got to the point when you could tell kimi was frustrated when he kept his foot in the gas just spewing smoke, exhaust, and engine bits on the track. i think he just got fed up with the junk equipment he was getting, the politics, and the strict rules in F1, and at his age, he decided to try other things.

      and for the sake of the thread, let's keep the dumb comments like "Faggonen" out of here. it just proves you're an ignorant moron.
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      02-20-2012 04:45 AM #59
      I don't care who wins this year...As long as it isn't Hamilton.

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      02-20-2012 05:09 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
      I don't care who wins this year...As long as it isn't Hamilton.
      ...or Ah-Gonzo
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      02-20-2012 05:38 AM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
      I don't care who wins this year...As long as it isn't Hamilton.
      i get so sick of seeing his girlfriend in the garage when anything happens. also, her music blows.
      welcome to the layer cake

    12. 02-20-2012 11:23 AM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by n0rdicalex. View Post
      wow, i should have read this thread before my first post.



      you must be blind...

      he absolutely did it on purpose, and what shocked everyone, was his lack of remorse. i'm as big a senna fan as any other person, but it was obvious he took out prost for the title that year. especially after getting ****ed in 1989 about going "off track" in an incident with prost, who subsequently went crying to the FIA. he complained about senna rejoining the race after being in the chicane escape road and part of the pit entrance at Suzuka.

      and as far as other kimi getting robbed of multiple championships? i absolutely agree with nick and many others. how many times did you see the mclaren grenade an engine that year? it got to the point when you could tell kimi was frustrated when he kept his foot in the gas just spewing smoke, exhaust, and engine bits on the track. i think he just got fed up with the junk equipment he was getting, the politics, and the strict rules in F1, and at his age, he decided to try other things.

      and for the sake of the thread, let's keep the dumb comments like "Faggonen" out of here. it just proves you're an ignorant moron.
      As does ******onen and claiming you were using it in context.

      As for Senna he clearly sticks his nose into a gap Prost left open. Prost then slams the door realizing his mistake and clips the McLaren's front nose. Was he ahead entering, of course, but if you leave the door open who are you to complain when some takes a peak inside.

      He won the championship and then was beat by his teammate massa. The only teammate Massa has ever beaten on points. And I remember the problems he had at McLaren i also remember montoya having even more problems with his williams at the time.

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      02-20-2012 11:26 AM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by dubscientist View Post
      I can't wait! a true fan here. i hated last year it wasn't worth watching if red bull is going to run away with the championship again sheesh!
      A true fan alright

    14. 02-20-2012 11:37 AM #64
      Facts are even though I'm arguing with some of you guys; we all just seemingly can't wait for this season to start. Even though I'll never be a fan of the moveable rear wing, I just about couldn't live without my F1(gross exaggeration.

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      02-20-2012 12:38 PM #65
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      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      Nah, understeering into a tree in a Honda like a teenage girl ruins your street cred. I'd leave the door to show how hard you are.

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      02-20-2012 12:46 PM #66
      changes to the ferrari. mmm. love what they did to the sidepods.





      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      Nah, understeering into a tree in a Honda like a teenage girl ruins your street cred. I'd leave the door to show how hard you are.

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      02-20-2012 12:48 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
      I don't care who wins this year...As long as it isn't Vettel.
      FIXED


      IMO, Lewis is still the best (or 2nd best behind Alonso) driver on the grid. He might piss a lot of people off, but he takes risks and if you're not taking risks then you aren't trying hard enough
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      02-20-2012 12:49 PM #68
      Good lord, this thread is embarrassing

      Can we have a real thread where intelligent adults can talk about the upcoming Formula One season? Can we talk about the new rules and new cars? I don't want to read this bull**** over which driver is a *** or a ****** or whose girlfriend is annoying or who would've won the championship 10 years ago if their car didn't explode.
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      02-20-2012 12:50 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by hushypushy View Post
      Good lord, this thread is embarrassing

      Can we have a real thread where intelligent adults can talk about the upcoming Formula One season? Can we talk about the new rules and new cars? I don't want to read this bull**** over which driver is a *** or a ****** or who's girlfriend is annoying or who would've won the championship 10 years ago if their car didn't explode.
      thank you
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      Nah, understeering into a tree in a Honda like a teenage girl ruins your street cred. I'd leave the door to show how hard you are.

    20. 02-20-2012 12:54 PM #70
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      Can you two idiots stop dropping N-bombs in this thread plz.
      wow now you can't even discuss the usage of a "bad" word. We must be in China !!

      Also, nickthaskater used the "N-POOPIE WORD" to make an example so it's not out of context. what the hell are you talking about?
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      02-20-2012 12:59 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by AHFlynn View Post
      changes to the ferrari. mmm. love what they did to the sidepods.
      Just noticed you posted this while I was posting.

      Those sidepods are indeed very...perky. I hadn't noticed them before. The side profile of the nose is really interesting too. I still like the F150 more though!

      One thing I noticed throughout the years...F1 cars always go back and forth between round and triangular air intakes (the one above the driver's head). Just look at the F150 and the F2012; or to cite one of a million other examples, the Mclaren MP4/16 and MP4/17. It's like in odd numbered years, they're round...even numbered, they're triangles
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      02-20-2012 01:03 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by hushypushy View Post
      Just noticed you posted this while I was posting.

      Those sidepods are indeed very...perky. I hadn't noticed them before. The side profile of the nose is really interesting too. I still like the F150 more though!

      One thing I noticed throughout the years...F1 cars always go back and forth between round and triangular air intakes (the one above the driver's head). Just look at the F150 and the F2012; or to cite one of a million other examples, the Mclaren MP4/16 and MP4/17. It's like in odd numbered years, they're round...even numbered, they're triangles
      weirdddd. i never noticed that before.

      must be a conspiracy.
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      Nah, understeering into a tree in a Honda like a teenage girl ruins your street cred. I'd leave the door to show how hard you are.

    23. 02-20-2012 01:43 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by flat6guy View Post
      wow now you can't even discuss the usage of a "bad" word. We must be in China !!

      Also, nickthaskater used the "N-POOPIE WORD" to make an example so it's not out of context. what the hell are you talking about?

      It's very simple homosexuals use the word *** all the time. While both terms are considered derogatory ****** means a bundle on sticks and could easily be used to claim someone being worthless as such. Which just so happens to be the context in which the original poster used the term. So if nick wants to become a mind reader and claim he knows what context the op was using then fine by me. But don't use the most offensive word in the english language as if its truly analogous to the other. N*igger meaning stupid was used to define an entire race. Gets your facts straight and know what the hell your talking about.

      edit. I will no longer address this topic and will try to keep on topic. Some things just will not be allowed to slide however.

      Back on topic. Those ferrari side pods look better designed to scoop the air with a more forward facing tangent. I wonder if they have extra pipping in the body work to direct some of the airflow elsewhere.

      The real question though is what they heck is going on with that slit in the bodywork on the hump nose of the Red Bull. It would appear as if they are creating extra down force by routing air into the cabin itself thoughts.
      Last edited by enigmatic enthusiast; 02-20-2012 at 01:52 PM.

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      02-20-2012 01:44 PM #74
      cmon guys. cut the ****.
      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      Nah, understeering into a tree in a Honda like a teenage girl ruins your street cred. I'd leave the door to show how hard you are.

    25. 02-20-2012 03:52 PM #75
      I'm looking forward to seeing Kimi back in F1! I'm a Kubica fan, but I don't know if he'll be back. Against my desire, Kubica got me rooting for Renault when Sauber/BMW disappeard a few years back. Nice color scheme on those Renault cars last year.

      While Vettel had an awesome year last year, and I always love to see Ferrari get beaten, I'm hoping it won't be another year so dominated by one driver and team. I'm also hoping Mercedes R&D pays off as I'd like to see Shumacher (being an old guy myself) back in the top again, even if its only for a few races. Is Rosberg still driving for Mercedes? I thought he had some talent as well.

      Finally, I'd like to see some of those backmarker cars join the ranks of the rest. Last year having those 6 cars so much slower than the rest of the grid seemed to be adding an element of risk that was not needed. I wished they'd have given them a little break on testing and practice at least to get them as fast as the slowest of the rest.

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