i'm to finally see Trulli out of F1. i didn't dislike him, but he never amounted to much considering all his years in F1. his loss is at least a chance for another younger driver to enter the sport, even though they replaced him with Petrov.
but i'm really stoked to have kimi back and really look forward to more of his riveting interviews.
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I'm definitely an Alonso fan. He seems to be the middle ground between Button's race sense and Hamilton's raw speed and passing ability. Even though Vettel won the last two seasons, I still think Alonso is the best all-around driver in F1.
During the 2007 mess I thought there was fault to be distributed all over the place, but it sure did seem that Dennis was favoring Hamilton by the end of the season. I think that if Dennis had handled the season better one of them would have walked away with the WDC. I also felt like Hamilton was too reckless.
I think both have grown up a bunch since 2007. Hamilton had a rough season in 2011, but I think he will bounce back and be at least competitive with Button. Alonso is as hungry as ever and will always be in the running so long as he has a competitive car.
I think that an on-the-track rivalry with a bit of trash talk between those two would make for a fantastic season.
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Remember, passing in 2005 was probably harder than it has ever been since. The cars had no downforce reduction systems and the aero created incredibly dirty air behind those big 3.0L V10 engines with no rev limits.
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its totally true but you also have to finish races, with the FIA throwing punishments at him every other race and a lot of close calls, as well as some wrecks arguably due to going for a pass he probably shouldnt have. i love him as a racer and i wouldnt have it any other way, but he is for sure one of the most fierce and sometimes reckless drivers out there.
As for passing, yeah Hamilton is tenacious, but look at what it gets him more often than not: a wrecked race car or a trip to the stewards. Racing isn't just about throwing your car into every gap you see, it's being smart about when and where to make the move. Hamilton needs to grow up a bit in this regard before he'll be able to add a second WDC to his tally.
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You are right that you want to win, but it is better to win the WDC than an individual race, and sometimes it is better to avoid a risky pass to protect your points. This is why Alonso is better in my book. He knows when to play it safe and when to be aggressive. Hamilton is always aggressive and it has cost him.
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And Prost was a damn good driver in the wet, arguably one of the best in the field outside of Senna. If Prost loses any kind of respect it's on the vetos/clauses he wanted in his contracts with Ferrari and Williams to prevent Mansell and later on Senna from being his teammates. He wanted to be the in the best car on the grid without any chance of his counterpart driver posing him any kind of threat like what previously happened at McLaren.
As for Hamilton, you act as though he's had crappy cars, lol. Sorry, but he's pissed away at least one, if not two chances by driving with his head up his ass more often than not. As was said, he routinely goes for "gaps" that aren't there. You need to finish the race to get the points, after all.
By the way, Earnhardt was able to get 7 titles because he was consistent and, above all else, smart. He knew how to "points race", something that Hamilton can't seem to grasp. Earnhardt's tally of victories actually isn't that big (Jeff Gordon has surpassed him and he's "only" got 4 titles), but he was there to finish the race and take home the points more often than not, and that's what counts.
People remember champions, not individual race winners.
He's had two cars truly capable of competing for a title. Won with one and was a button press away from winning the other.
Don't tell the man who already has a wdc the best way to win in thank you very much. And the best way to Win the wdc is to win every race. Notice how those two bold words are the same. Pretty simple math.
Ha Earnhardt would spin a man out if he stood in his way of victory so can it.
wow, i should have read this thread before my first post.
he absolutely did it on purpose, and what shocked everyone, was his lack of remorse. i'm as big a senna fan as any other person, but it was obvious he took out prost for the title that year. especially after getting ****ed in 1989 about going "off track" in an incident with prost, who subsequently went crying to the FIA. he complained about senna rejoining the race after being in the chicane escape road and part of the pit entrance at Suzuka.
and as far as other kimi getting robbed of multiple championships? i absolutely agree with nick and many others. how many times did you see the mclaren grenade an engine that year? it got to the point when you could tell kimi was frustrated when he kept his foot in the gas just spewing smoke, exhaust, and engine bits on the track. i think he just got fed up with the junk equipment he was getting, the politics, and the strict rules in F1, and at his age, he decided to try other things.
and for the sake of the thread, let's keep the dumb comments like "Faggonen" out of here. it just proves you're an ignorant moron.
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As for Senna he clearly sticks his nose into a gap Prost left open. Prost then slams the door realizing his mistake and clips the McLaren's front nose. Was he ahead entering, of course, but if you leave the door open who are you to complain when some takes a peak inside.
He won the championship and then was beat by his teammate massa. The only teammate Massa has ever beaten on points. And I remember the problems he had at McLaren i also remember montoya having even more problems with his williams at the time.
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Good lord, this thread is embarrassing
Can we have a real thread where intelligent adults can talk about the upcoming Formula One season? Can we talk about the new rules and new cars? I don't want to read this bull**** over which driver is a *** or a ****** or whose girlfriend is annoying or who would've won the championship 10 years ago if their car didn't explode.
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