my 1997 Golf VR6

[Insan3Vr6]

so in europe, the gti was NEVER offered as a gti vr6...just the 8v,16v,and anniversary editions...in europe, they called our gti vr6 as the "golf vr6"...

i almost imported a highline years ago, and thought the badging looked nicer, so thats why...

its like the corrado, just marketing malarky...the corrado slc, was a us thing only, everywhere else in the world, called it the corrado vr6...

ahhhh. I can dig it

[LG6R]

so in europe, the gti was NEVER offered as a gti vr6...just the 8v,16v,and anniversary editions...in europe, they called our gti vr6 as the "golf vr6"...

i almost imported a highline years ago, and thought the badging looked nicer, so thats why...

Aaaaaaaaaand we're back to my original post in this thread:

Why the Golf badge? It's a GTI not a Golf, don't know why you keep calling it a Golf. It's like people slapping a Vento or Bora badge on their Jetta. In keeping with the OEM theme you should have the proper badges on the car imo.

Would you agree with putting Mondeo badges on a Contour? Or Contour badges on a Mystique? How about Monaro badges on a GTO? Or Omega badges on a Catera? Acuras are called Hondas in Japan. I laugh at the jokers who put Honda badges on their Integras. Honda came up with an upscale segment for their cars and fanboi enthusiasts would rather call it by the lower-tier model name. Lots of cars have different names in different markets. You could just say "because you like it better" because the reasoning for the badge doesn't make sense.

[emkaytree]

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[95jetta17]

[ZACHER3tuning]

ahhhh. I can dig it

[ZACHER3tuning]

Aaaaaaaaaand we're back to my original post in this thread:



Would you agree with putting Mondeo badges on a Contour? Or Contour badges on a Mystique? How about Monaro badges on a GTO? Or Omega badges on a Catera? Acuras are called Hondas in Japan. I laugh at the jokers who put Honda badges on their Integras. Honda came up with an upscale segment for their cars and fanboi enthusiasts would rather call it by the lower-tier model name. Lots of cars have different names in different markets. You could just say "because you like it better" because the reasoning for the badge doesn't make sense.

to each there own i guess...

[ZACHER3tuning]

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hopefully, my parts will be here soon, and page 5 will be

[ZACHER3tuning]

and i did purchase the oettinger bar after i was contemplating it...its really clean, just needs the color switched from red, to green

[ZACHER3tuning]

so i have recieved quite a few pm's about what the vwms manifold is, and what it does, so i found a great article that answers a lot of questions, plus adds details that i think are excellent...also, it compares the 2, the vwms, and the schrick...its a long read, but worthwhile...
Here's how it works. Article based on the original VWMS Pierburg VSR, but the theory and operation is the same as the Schrick.

To produce an acceptable product, tuners must nowadays pay close
attention to what they are doing. Top-end performance is no longer the
only requirement. Potential clients are also seeking wider power bands
and high drivability standards. A synergy of utility and enjoyment of
driving. [Americans hear "Fahrvergnuegen."] Only those tuners who
achieve those goals are highly regarded.

Limited by the transverse mounting of the engine, there isn't much room
for generous inlet manifolding. In order to achieve a good compromise
between maximum power output, and adequate torque in day to day use, the
inlet manifold runs across the top of the head. This has circumvented
the shortage of space and allowed the use of an oscillating-flow tuned
inlet manifold. Each cylinder has its own inlet tract that is tuned to
such a length as to ensure positive inlet pressure. As engine output is
proportional to the airflow, this scheme means that the VR6 doesn't have
to be ashamed in the face of competitors. The 2.8 litre produces 174 PS
[ DIN hp] and a maximum torque of 240 Nm at 4200 RPM, and the 2.9 litre
engine in the Corrado achieves 245 Nm at the same engine speed. But this
achievement wasn't enough to satisfy the Wolfsburg developers. To
achieve even more torque, lower down in the rev range, the 6 cylinders
were to breathe even more freely. The idea of the variable inlet
manifold [ german "variables Saugrohr" ] was born and developed in
parallel with the now standard version, with assistance from the
Pierburg GmbH in Neuss, a company which has a high reputation with
things relating to mixture control. The VSR [ abbreviated from the
german ] system did not go into, falling victim to the red pens of
accountants shortly before the VR6 started production. That this piece
of motor technology was not condemned to the depths of the Wolfsburg
catacombs, is thanks to the interests of Volkswagen Motorsport, based in
Hannover. This VW company took the VSR and now offers it as an after-
market conversion kit for 2888 Marks. The kit may be fitted to all VR6s
with 2.8 and 2.9 litre engines.

Even though the VSR achieves similar aims to those of the switching
inlet manifold of the 2.8 litre V6s from Audi, the operating principle
is different. In the Audi engine, a long, narrow inlet tract achieves
high torque at low revs; 245 Nm at 3000 RPM. The maximum power is
achieved using a short, wide inlet tract, producing 174 PS at 5500 RPM.
For the engine to be fed through the appropriate channels, depending on
engine speed, inlet manifolds are switched using six individual, vacuum
operated flaps at 4000 RPM. In both stages, the technology is based
purely on tuned oscillating-flow inlet manifolds, with the necessary
switching.

The VSR in contrast, two diverse technologies are applied. It is
designed so that at low engine speeds, resonance is used to improve
cylinder charging efficiency -- at higher RPM, oscillation- tuned,
individual, broad tracts are used. Switching from one to the other is
achived by a single flap, also vaccuum operated at 4000 RPM. The tuned
inlet tract operates by the low pressure caused between the throttle
valve and the inlet valve, by the suction of the descending piston,
Through inertia of the air in the tract, the airflow tends to keep
moving towards the inlet, even after it's closed, causing a slight
over-pressure when the inlet valve next opens. This ensures high charge
efficiency even during early stages of the induction stroke. Of course,
further during the same stroke, inlet pressure falls followed by a high
pressure but not before the inlet valve closes.

In order to achieve optimal control of the oscillation and reflection of
the column of air in the inlet tract, it needs to be closely coordinated
with valve timing, but this is not possible due to variation in engine
speed. Even at mid-range-rpm, the valve opening and the are out of
synch. The second pressure wave arrives much too early before the inlet
valve closes and a backflow reduces fill efficiency. Now to achieve high
torque under these conditions, resonance-fill is utilised. This is done
by closing the connection flap between a small resonance chamber which
is immediately before short inlet tracts above the inlet valves. This
transforms the 6 cylinder ending into effectively two 3 cylinder engines
with uniform firing times, and which do not have overlapping inlet
strokes. Resonance pulses of up to 0.4 bar [approx 6 psi] above
atmospheric are achieved, leading to remarkable fill efficiency and
torque increases.

Even though fitting the VSR requires not great skills, it should be
undertaken by a professional with the right tools. For example, fitting
the new EPROM and the new control harness requires dexterity and special
tools. The new chip doesn't alter the previously-programmed behaviour of
the engine management, it only adds an additional control output for the
electrically- controlled, vacuum operated flap. The kit includes
instructions as to complete installion, including connections to the
vaccum circuit and electrical connections.

[ photos of chip in engine maganement unit,
VSR inlet manifold being fitted,
and side-by-side VSR with original manifold. ]

Further engine modifications are not required, so one is permitted to
anticipate the VSR transformation. A marked improvement in torque at
mid-range is advertised with 255 Nm available at 3600 RPM on the 2.8
litre engine. This corresponds to an 11% increase at that engine speed.
In the 2.9 litre incarnation, 260 Nm is available, providing more
performance in the most-used rev range. There is no promise of more
power in the higher RPM range.

To illustrate the performance improvement in a VSR Golf, one doesn't
need any test equipment! Almost right from the start, at below 3000 RPM,
a new urge is sensed. Up to 4000 RPM the engine provides markedly better
acceleration, yet above, the previously expected manners appear because
the torque curve corresponds to that of the standard engine. Even more!
After the impetuous acceleration, the switchover feels almost reserved.
The steeply increasing torque curve up to 3600 RPM also shows a rapid
fall back to the norm between 3600 and 4000 RPM. The torque improvement
is an excellent fit to the Golf VR6.

In fourth gear, the torque boost corresponds to 90 to 120 kmh, in fifth
to 110 to 150 kmh. This turns the Golf into a sprinter, that none of the
near-200 PS professionally tuned chariots comes near. Testign showed
that acceleration from 90 to 120 kmh in fourth gear only took 5.4
seconds. The standard VR6 Golf took 6.1 seconds and a near-200 PS
Oettinger VR6 Golf taking 6.4 seconds, and a Wendland special taking 6.2
seconds. No wonder because their maximum torque happens at much higher
RPM.

Unremarkably, the VSR trick didn't improve peak acceleration or top
speed, both of these being exclusively in the higher rev range.

The VR6 opens up a new field for Volkswagen Motorsport tuning. This is
appropriate when one expects high torque for comfortable and sporty
driving. It's even more attractive because testing showed reduced fuel
consumption by half a litre [ per 100 km ]. On the other hand, the VSR
offers professional tuners an innovative platform for development - as
some of them have already indicated.

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[End extract]

It's worth pointing out that the VGI DOES actually offer high end gains too, as it out flows the stick manifold, has tuned length runners (unlike the VSR) and works great in conjunction with 268 cams.

[Icy]

too clean!!

you can get smoked front lights aswell as french ones from my friends shop
http://www.eurowagens.com/en/vw/golf-3-vento.html

[ZACHER3tuning]

too clean!!

you can get smoked front lights aswell as french ones from my friends shop
http://www.eurowagens.com/en/vw/golf-3-vento.html

your friends shop looks great...pmd as well...

[ZACHER3tuning]

anyone on here have experience using this product...I have a spare audi rs brake kit, but i might have to modify some stuff to fit it...this kit claims no modding...

also to anyone using this kit, whats the smallest wheel diameter you can fit over it...i hate anything over 16's btw...ideally 15's
http://www.modbargains.com/_e/Brakes...n_Golf_MK3.htm

[Icy]

your friends shop looks great...pmd as well...

pm'd me or my friend? sure he can ship to usa

[ZACHER3tuning]

pm'd me or my friend? sure he can ship to usa

thanks dude...yeah i pmd him, and you, did you get it...also your box is full...
btw, hows the white golf coming along...

[ZACHER3tuning]

pm'd me or my friend? sure he can ship to usa

icy,got a fax number for him...thats what i really need

[ZACHER3tuning]

its here..thanks

[Insan3Vr6]

its here..thanks

Pics or it didn't happen.

[ZACHER3tuning]

Pics or it didn't happen.

working on it kimosabe

[ZACHER3tuning]

I'm going to be painting mine before Wuste but haven't decided on a color combo and just out of curiosity, what is the difference between the schrick and the vwms?

dont paint it, polish it...

[Icy]

thanks dude...yeah i pmd him, and you, did you get it...also your box is full...
btw, hows the white golf coming along...

inbox emptied a bit. white golf is being a douche

[samiam0295]

anyone on here have experience using this product...I have a spare audi rs brake kit, but i might have to modify some stuff to fit it...this kit claims no modding...

also to anyone using this kit, whats the smallest wheel diameter you can fit over it...i hate anything over 16's btw...ideally 15's
http://www.modbargains.com/_e/Brakes...n_Golf_MK3.htm

But you dont drive it

I'm just messin' with ya, but seriously, wheres the flux capacitor?

[ZACHER3tuning]

inbox emptied a bit. white golf is being a douche

they do that at times

[ZACHER3tuning]

But you dont drive it

I'm just messin' with ya, but seriously, wheres the flux capacitor?

i dont DAILY it your correctif you had her, you wouldnt either...

fyi,to anyone wanting new na spec bumper covers...there are about 40 fronts left, i did purchase the LAST REAR cover for GOLF...they have a few rear jetta covers left...but mk3 golf gl,gti rear bumper covers are all gone, OBSOLTETE...makes me not want to even put it on my car

[jbigs268]

i dont DAILY it your correctif you had her, you wouldnt either...

fyi,to anyone wanting new na spec bumper covers...there are about 40 fronts left, i did purchase the LAST REAR cover for GOLF...they have a few rear jetta covers left...but mk3 golf gl,gti rear bumper covers are all gone, OBSOLTETE...makes me not want to even put it on my car

Damn

[ZACHER3tuning]

Damn

i know, parts for these cars are getting redic to find...so far, according to my dealer, which is zeb from 1stvwparts,i got the last set of smooth mouldings for 3 door gti,last rear bumper cover,last plate tub,last pair of light sockets for plate tub,last int trim pieces,etc...
i thought he was giving me a line, well i called my local dealer as well, same story

he told me that mk3 golf parts are going quickly, whereas the jetta parts there is still some stock...

[I haz cheezeburgerz]

Would you agree with putting Mondeo badges on a Contour? Or Contour badges on a Mystique? How about Monaro badges on a GTO? Or Omega badges on a Catera? Acuras are called Hondas in Japan. I laugh at the jokers who put Honda badges on their Integras. Honda came up with an upscale segment for their cars and fanboi enthusiasts would rather call it by the lower-tier model name. Lots of cars have different names in different markets. You could just say "because you like it better" because the reasoning for the badge doesn't make sense.

this.
not to say the car isn't nice, and I'm jealous of the VWMS manifold, but yeah...
in for pics of the manifold

[ZACHER3tuning]

this.
not to say the car isn't nice, and I'm jealous of the VWMS manifold, but yeah...
in for pics of the manifold

i hear you, and its just a preference thing...i still have a brand new nos mk3 gti badge as well...

[I haz cheezeburgerz]

sell the GTI emblem to me
has to be red tho

[ZACHER3tuning]

sell the GTI emblem to me
has to be red tho

i have the brushed alum 95 spec badges as well as the red 96-99 badge...lmk if you are serious

[ZACHER3tuning]

sell the GTI emblem to me
has to be red tho

sent pm dude

[ZACHER3tuning]

today i corner balanced my coils, and took her for a spin... i forgot how much fun she is to drive...first drive since oct last year...

i also had tires mounted on the oettingers, and i know, your all going to tell me to put my bumpers on, and i am tomorrow

a few outside of the garage pics as promised...

[ZACHER3tuning]

and when i had her out for the drive, i took her to the car wash, and detailed the underside of the motor as well, lots of elbow grease, but now looks as new...

[Andrewrg]

beautiful!

[stealthcheetah]

Hate isn't a harsh enough word to express how I feel about you. Clean sequoia is a beautiful thing.

[ZACHER3tuning]

Hate isn't a harsh enough word to express how I feel about you. Clean sequoia is a beautiful thing.

thanks, im just happy its FINALLY getting warm here...time to get to werk again