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    1. Member ladykiller's Avatar
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      02-22-2012 08:59 AM #1
      Going to keep this short since I'm doing this from my phone.
      I'm in the market for a new truck.
      It won't be used for a daily driver, that's what the R1 is for.
      It will be used for my landscaping, home repair/improvement, moving (possibly helping friends move, that's always what seems to happen), camping, and maybe hauling a boat.
      I’m planning on keeping this for 10+ years. I sold my first car after 10 years because I was tight on cash at the time and didn’t really drive it.

      Reasons I’m leaning towards diesel:
      -torque
      -the wife’s 335d gets awesome gas mileage. But, from what I’ve heard there isn’t much difference in mpg in a truck
      -last longer (?)

      Reasons I’m leaning towards gas:
      -cheaper
      -cheaper fuel
      -may last just as long as diesel (?)

      Why should I get one over the other?




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      02-22-2012 09:08 AM #2
      The only diesel trucks on the market here in the US are large full sizes.

      - They won't get better fuel economy than their gas counterparts.
      - But they will make towing up long grades less frustrating.

      Are you towing? If not, just get gas.
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      02-22-2012 09:08 AM #3
      Diesel is more expensive in winter and cheaper then gas in the summer. Depending on what kind of boat you're towing, you can go either way. If its a smaller boat I would go with gas. For heavy towing I'd go with diesel.

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      02-22-2012 09:19 AM #4
      Depends on the vehicle really. Figure out what you need as far as power first. I have an f250 power stroke diesel and everything on it but the body panels are more expensive then say an f150 that I could have gotten away with if I wasn't worried about the weight I need it to pull. Just the oil change alone takes close to 5 gallons of synth.

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      02-22-2012 09:27 AM #5
      if not planing on towing more than say 9,000lbs go with gas. if you planing on towing more then that or have alot of 6% or 7% grades get the diesel. v6 base f150 is rated at 23mph hwy. i personally haven't seen many diesel full size trucks with four wheel drive get better than 24mpg hwy empty.
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      02-22-2012 10:08 AM #6
      My gas GMC 1500 averaged 16mpg on the highway

      Dad's F-250 power stroke gets 18, close to 19.....
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      02-22-2012 10:14 AM #7
      Diesel trucks seem to cost more new & used.

      And then there is this... took this photo myself. Give me the gas please.

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      02-22-2012 11:00 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Diesel trucks seem to cost more new & used.

      And then there is this... took this photo myself. Give me the gas please.

      And wait until summer time and it will be the exact opposite.

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      02-22-2012 11:05 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by GermaniuM View Post
      And wait until summer time and it will be the exact opposite.
      Depends entirely on where you are at in the world. If the OP's fuel costs are anything like they are around here, diesel is almost always more expensive, year round. Summer, the difference is usually closer, but it is still higher.

      OP, unless you are planning on regularly towing 8000+ lbs, I'd go for the gas 1/2 ton.

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      02-22-2012 11:10 AM #10
      Diesel is about 30% more efficient vs. gas.

      In a large truck that is driven trying to keep an eye on gas its possible to get decent mileage from a diesel truck.

      My PSD gets around 18-20. Pretty much the same even towing
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      02-22-2012 11:13 AM #11
      I drive daily my 2009 Ram 2500 3/4 ton with a Hemi and tow once a year if that but I am always hauling firewood, topsoil, wet mulch, equipment, etc and at times its loaded to the max and I need something to handle the extra wieght, thats why I bought the 3/4 ton. Plus I am not a fan of IFS in trucks i have always liked solid front and rear axles. I get about 11 mpg mostly city driving but I am running a 3" lift, 34" tires and a tuner for more power so not bad. best mpgs I have seen on a trip was about 15-16 mpgs doing 65mph. I have never had a problem with power, if you are going to tow a **** load I would get the diesel otherwise gas does just fine.

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      02-22-2012 11:21 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      - They won't get better fuel economy than their gas counterparts.
      thats not quite true. my dad always ended up going with diesels because they got better mileage than comparable power gas engines.

      this is especially the case if towing is involved.
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      02-22-2012 11:26 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by GermaniuM View Post
      Diesel is more expensive in winter and cheaper then gas in the summer.
      That hasn't been true down here for several years.
      JSW TDI, Mustang SVO, et al.

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      02-22-2012 11:31 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by GermaniuM View Post
      Diesel is more expensive in winter and cheaper then gas in the summer. Depending on what kind of boat you're towing, you can go either way. If its a smaller boat I would go with gas. For heavy towing I'd go with diesel.
      Nope. Diesel is always more expensive here, sometimes as much as a dollar more per gallon. And the season doesnt really affect the price difference.
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      02-22-2012 11:34 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by GermaniuM View Post
      Diesel is more expensive in winter and cheaper then gas in the summer. Depending on what kind of boat you're towing, you can go either way. If its a smaller boat I would go with gas. For heavy towing I'd go with diesel.
      Maybe in Toronto, but Ohio diesel is always 15-20% more expensive. Used to be the opposite, 6-8 years ago.

      As far as the OP is concerned, I'd go gas. Make these assumptions.
      5k miles per year
      Gas is $3.70
      Diesel is $4.20

      Silverado 1500 or Ecoboost F-150 4x4 (similar real-world mileage)
      Price = $35,600
      MPG = 17/23 so 20 combined (seems high to me but okay)
      so $0.185 per mile for gas

      Sierra 2500 or F250
      Price = $44,800
      MPG = hard to find, say 24 combined (reasonable comparison)
      so $0.175 per mile for diesel

      The fuel efficiency of a diesel is going to save you $.01 per mile, or $50.00 per year at 5k miles.

      I say get the diesel, it'll pay for itself after only 184 years.
      Last edited by mike_A3; 02-22-2012 at 11:53 AM.
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      02-22-2012 11:37 AM #16
      New new or new to you?

      If new new then for what you say you will use it for gas you will never recover the cost increase in the diesel.

      If just new to you with the little driving you will use it for finding a 3/4 ton that is 4-5 years old with 100K will be a very good value and last forever with some basic maintainence. You can find Ram 3500 duallys with 100K on them for 15-20K for say an 05-07 (haven't looked recently), those were 50-60K new.

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      02-22-2012 11:38 AM #17
      Right now where I am, gas is $1.22 a litre and Diesel is $1.30 a litre. In the summer, it changes from ~$1.30 for gas and ~$1.19 for diesel.
      Easy like Sunday Morning.

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      02-22-2012 11:43 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by GruuvenNorth View Post
      Right now where I am, gas is $1.22 a litre and Diesel is $1.30 a litre. In the summer, it changes from ~$1.30 for gas and ~$1.19 for diesel.
      Must be a canadian thing. Does your diesel also come in bags?
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      02-22-2012 11:47 AM #19
      Good for shipping.
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      02-22-2012 12:03 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by bigbumpmike View Post
      if not planing on towing more than say 9,000lbs go with gas. if you planing on towing more then that or have alot of 6% or 7% grades get the diesel. v6 base f150 is rated at 23mph hwy. i personally haven't seen many diesel full size trucks with four wheel drive get better than 24mpg hwy empty.
      You haven't? Because my extended cab long bed 6spd superduty got 21mpg city driving (18mpg city if really ragging on it), and 23-25mpg highway depending on speed and ac use. My 1-ton dually club cab long bed 12v cummins would get 20-21mpg city and 24-25mpg highway. Going 90-95mph in my dually cummins gets me about 15-16mpg.

      Quote Originally Posted by GTIRS View Post
      I drive daily my 2009 Ram 2500 3/4 ton with a Hemi and tow once a year if that but I am always hauling firewood, topsoil, wet mulch, equipment, etc and at times its loaded to the max and I need something to handle the extra wieght, thats why I bought the 3/4 ton. Plus I am not a fan of IFS in trucks i have always liked solid front and rear axles. I get about 11 mpg mostly city driving but I am running a 3" lift, 34" tires and a tuner for more power so not bad. best mpgs I have seen on a trip was about 15-16 mpgs doing 65mph. I have never had a problem with power, if you are going to tow a **** load I would get the diesel otherwise gas does just fine.
      You get 11mpg city driving with an almost brand new Ram? Ouch sorry to hear that. My 1997 F250 powerstroke with a 7.3 liter motor (read: 8,000lb truck) extended cab long bed with a 6" lift and 35" fierce attitude mud tires gets 18mpg in the city. And thats with an automatic.



      Lets put it this way. If you are a man and need to accomplish mans work, you need a diesel. If you have childs-play petty bs to do, get yourself a gasser.

      My 1997 f250 thats been drivin in salty ny since being born, has a good lift, large tires, and has NOT been babied and it's sitting at 240k miles right now. There's not a damn thing wrong with it, and if I wanted to I could go start it up from sitting the past 3weeks, pull a house down, and still get better mileage than most modern luxury cars will in the city. My TDI has 220k miles. My cummins had 260k miles. My superduty had 140k miles. Not ONE of those vehicles had any problems or major repairs done. More than I can say for my buddy who bought a gasser hemi and went through FIVE automatic transmissions.. AND HE DOESN'T EVEN PULL. My gf's dad had a brand new gasser 2500, and was in the shop 6x after being left stranded for 2 different problems. AND HE DOESN'T PULL either.
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      02-22-2012 12:11 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboWraith View Post
      Depends entirely on where you are at in the world. If the OP's fuel costs are anything like they are around here, diesel is almost always more expensive, year round. Summer, the difference is usually closer, but it is still higher.

      OP, unless you are planning on regularly towing 8000+ lbs, I'd go for the gas 1/2 ton.
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      Nope. Diesel is always more expensive here, sometimes as much as a dollar more per gallon. And the season doesnt really affect the price difference.
      Same here. I can't remember the last time diesel was cheaper then petrol here in New England.

      Sounds like you won't be putting a ton of miles on this truck, nor hauling extra heavy loads with great regularity... so it will take a looooong time for the higher purchase price of the diesel truck to make up for it in fuel price savings.

      Bear in mind that if you are buying new, rarely do the deep discounts and great deals you hear about on full size trucks apply to the diesel versions.

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      02-22-2012 01:19 PM #23
      As usual, Fuelly.com is a great resource for checking out what people actually get MPG-wise on specific vehicles.

      Compare diesel F-250 (most fuel efficient diesel truck you can get from the "big three") to F-150 (most fuel efficient full size available from the "big three") :

      You can judge for yourself, but I just don't see any tangible MPG benefit from such large diesel trucks. And it definitely doesn't offset the fuel cost.

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      Gas:

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      02-22-2012 01:56 PM #24
      Are you seriously griping that a truck with 400hp and 735ft-lbs of trque that can haul 30-40,000lbs *only* gets a few better mpg than a weaker, lighter, less-capacity pulling gasser? I'm astounded.

      Also, let's keep in mind that the new powerstrokes have a ton of pollutions crap that when removed add a sizeable chunk of power and mileage.

      Oh and one last thing, the fords actually get the worst unladen mileage of the big 3... The gm's duramax gets the best mileage because they use super light fenders and a dinky frame. The ford gets the best mileage under load tho, as the cummins and duramax efficiencies drop off greatly when under load.

      No, I lied. I'm not done; I'm going to EDIT this. Who on earth buys a much more expensive, heavy duty truck just for the mileage over a gasser?? That's just one of the added benefits of a diesel over gasser.
      Last edited by 85_305; 02-22-2012 at 01:59 PM.

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      02-22-2012 02:03 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      Must be a canadian thing. Does your diesel also come in bags?

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